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#51
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The silver lining re the ME3 ending controversy. BW may have stuck to their guns and ultimately changed nothing, claiming adherence to the 'artistic vision' but I'd put money on them never being so naive/radical again.

Pretty thin lining.

 

Since they made it abundantly clear they either didn't understand or didn't care what went wrong in the first place, there's no guarantee they won't make the same mistake again.  Either out of cluelessness or apathy towards their fans.


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I think much of the apathy and resistance to the ending negativity was due at least in part to them not really being in a position to do anything about it. The EC was probably the limit of what they could do without massively restructuring a lot of the game, which they wouldn't have the resources for. Even had they taken up more of the DLCs and turned them into ending-related content I'm not sure it would have been enough.

Considering the controversy though, I just don't see them venturing into that territory again if they can help it. Sticking to your principles is one thing when there's nothing else to be done, but given the choice I doubt they'd go there willingly again.

Plus their EA masters/overlords probably wouldn't let them anyway, they can't have been overly happy with how things turned out.

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The guy who decided to put Shep's picture together with this track was a freaking genius. To me this music perfectly captures everything that made Shepard a hero and how much I'm going to miss him/her.


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It's ok everyone. We fell inlove with Shepard and the crew. the normandy. the storyline.

 

But bioware knows us. Our next hero will probably be even more epic and a hero then shepard.

(WHICH is pretty hard to compare to that level of statue. Shepard was a gaurdian of the galaxy XD)

Unless some great hero comes out and stops a black hole from sucking up the universe they will never

compare to shepards efforts and statue. lol Just saying XD



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It's ok everyone. We fell inlove with Shepard and the crew. the normandy. the storyline.

 

But bioware knows us. Our next hero will probably be even more epic and a hero then shepard.

(WHICH is pretty hard to compare to that level of statue. Shepard was a gaurdian of the galaxy XD)

Unless some great hero comes out and stops a black hole from sucking up the universe they will never

compare to shepards efforts and statue. lol Just saying XD

 

Maybe they do, maybe they don't.... there are signs for both ;)



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They shouldn't try to make the next hero "more epic" than Shepard. They shouldn't even try to make the next protagonist live up to him. They just need to make someone different.


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What does "epic" even mean. We don't need another space-jesus.


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They shouldn't try to make the next hero "more epic" than Shepard. They shouldn't even try to make the next protagonist live up to him. They just need to make someone different.

 

Especially considering how much the writers made Shepard shoulder throughout the trilogy. There's just no way to outdo saving the entire galaxy and deciding the fates of multiple species, and it's not something that should ever be attempted, in my opinion. It just becomes total epic-bloat.


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They really need to lay off the epic in the new game. Always remember the Babylon 5 spinoff Legend of the Rangers - how do you top saving the Galaxy from an ancient menace? Introduce a MORE ancient menace! Erm, no thanks.....

New game should be more intimate, character driven, and IMO probably self-contained.
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Awesome vid. 



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Pretty thin lining.

 

Since they made it abundantly clear they either didn't understand or didn't care what went wrong in the first place, there's no guarantee they won't make the same mistake again.  Either out of cluelessness or apathy towards their fans.

 

The problem is that commercially, what was to be gained for them by changing the ending? They'd already shifted the units so they already had the money. By the time people had played through the 30+ hours leading up to that disaster, it was too late for them. Nonetheless, it has to go down as the single worst creative decision in the history of writing. As tangents go, it doesn't get any bigger.

 

I do feel though that Bioware as a company have slowly shifted away from what's always made them great - story telling - towards a more casual, pick-up-and-play instant action approach to their games and unfortunately most of us still have enough brand loyalty to keep buying their games on name alone allowing them to claim success.



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They really need to lay off the epic in the new game. Always remember the Babylon 5 spinoff Legend of the Rangers - how do you top saving the Galaxy from an ancient menace? Introduce a MORE ancient menace! Erm, no thanks.....

New game should be more intimate, character driven, and IMO probably self-contained.


In fairness, just about everything not named "Andreas Katsulas" in that project was a complete disaster on every level!
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In fairness, just about everything not named "Andreas Katsulas" in that project was a complete disaster on every level!


I'm really struggling to remember anything else tbh!

I love Babylon 5, and the related material, even half of The Lost Tales I liked....but, LotR was abysmal.

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I'm more for story driven characters. The old style or new style run and gun and hack and slash games are so overated. To many of them. same game different magic attacks lol. Hope never in 1m yrs Mass Effect ever turns into this. Cause that style of game play is boring.

Like Diablo, Sacred 3 <~ same thing different title. lol

 

I would honestly rather watch mass effect be equitted and never create another one then to watch it go down this path. Id sell my xbox

and be done with video games if it did. Storyline with balance in all aspects is the way to go. But to many people don't get what that means nowday's and that is why most games end up the same with different titles and hated in the end.



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Especially considering how much the writers made Shepard shoulder throughout the trilogy. There's just no way to outdo saving the entire galaxy and deciding the fates of multiple species, and it's not something that should ever be attempted, in my opinion. It just becomes total epic-bloat.

 

 

Yeah, Shepard should have never been given the ability to cause the extinction of the Rachni, Krogans, or the Quarians/Geth. Even 'little' things like determining whether the Hanar home world gets left completely vulnerable to Reaper attack is pushing it too far (IMO). Allowing the protagonist to have the option to completely remove a species from the setting not only leads to epic bloat (like you said) but also makes carrying forward a consistent world state and narrative an absolute nightmare.

 

 

Either you have to completely ignore the species that could have died or you have to make up replacements to fill in that gap, and seeing the treatment of our ME 2 squad mates in ME 3; especially the 'Not-Mordin' and the 'Not-Legion' characters; I would much rather have BioWare retcon the canon and say that "This race is alive." or "This race is dead." then have to deal with the 'Not Krogans' or the 'Not Quarians'. 

 

 

Personally, I would go with a world state where we have as many species alive as possible; even the Rachni; simply because it adds much more diversity to the setting with all of these different alien species; and in the Rachni's case, it helps keep an 'alien' alien present rather than everyone being rubber fore-headed humans, because lets be honest, BioWare's track record at adding truly alien species to the setting has diminished over the course of the trilogy.



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Yeah, Shepard should have never been given the ability to cause the extinction of the Rachni, Krogans, or the Quarians/Geth. Even 'little' things like determining whether the Hanar home world gets left completely vulnerable to Reaper attack is pushing it too far (IMO). Allowing the protagonist to have the option to completely remove a species from the setting not only leads to epic bloat (like you said) but also makes carrying forward a consistent world state and narrative an absolute nightmare.

 

 

Either you have to completely ignore the species that could have died or you have to make up replacements to fill in that gap, and seeing the treatment of our ME 2 squad mates in ME 3; especially the 'Not-Mordin' and the 'Not-Legion' characters; I would much rather have BioWare retcon the canon and say that "This race is alive." or "This race is dead." then have to deal with the 'Not Krogans' or the 'Not Quarians'. 

 

 

Personally, I would go with a world state where we have as many species alive as possible; even the Rachni; simply because it adds much more diversity to the setting with all of these different alien species; and in the Rachni's case, it helps keep an 'alien' alien present rather than everyone being rubber fore-headed humans, because lets be honest, BioWare's track record at adding truly alien species to the setting has diminished over the course of the trilogy.

 

 

I totally agree. Cool aliens as in really weird and strange are fantastic. I love the hanar (and the absurd idea to have them run about on dry land o.O) and the rachni were so awesome once you were able to argue with the Queen (can you trust such an unknown entity?).

 

One restraint in the past was the memory of the old consoles. 500mb is just soooo little. Having everybody run around with the same animation set was key. (For example in borderlands 2 "sanctuary" there is only 1 animation set. Another one would have killed the level). So: new consoles means more aliens, potentially!! Yeah.

 

And yes, letting the protagonist put a thumb up or down for total annihilation of the entire species is just nuts. I'm all for power fantasies but this is insane. How would any commitee of civilizations let one guy do those kind of decisions on his or her own? And shep is not even the king, just a black ops. No no no... that dumb and should be avoided in the future.

No more lonely decisions on the battlefield that shape the whole galaxy.


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#67
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Yeah, Shepard should have never been given the ability to cause the extinction of the Rachni, Krogans, or the Quarians/Geth. Even 'little' things like determining whether the Hanar home world gets left completely vulnerable to Reaper attack is pushing it too far (IMO). Allowing the protagonist to have the option to completely remove a species from the setting not only leads to epic bloat (like you said) but also makes carrying forward a consistent world state and narrative an absolute nightmare.

 

 

Either you have to completely ignore the species that could have died or you have to make up replacements to fill in that gap, and seeing the treatment of our ME 2 squad mates in ME 3; especially the 'Not-Mordin' and the 'Not-Legion' characters; I would much rather have BioWare retcon the canon and say that "This race is alive." or "This race is dead." then have to deal with the 'Not Krogans' or the 'Not Quarians'. 

 

 

Personally, I would go with a world state where we have as many species alive as possible; even the Rachni; simply because it adds much more diversity to the setting with all of these different alien species; and in the Rachni's case, it helps keep an 'alien' alien present rather than everyone being rubber fore-headed humans, because lets be honest, BioWare's track record at adding truly alien species to the setting has diminished over the course of the trilogy.

They definitely shouldn't have done any of that if they intended to continue the franchise. 



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The problem is that commercially, what was to be gained for them by changing the ending? They'd already shifted the units so they already had the money. By the time people had played through the 30+ hours leading up to that disaster, it was too late for them. Nonetheless, it has to go down as the single worst creative decision in the history of writing. As tangents go, it doesn't get any bigger.

I think your exaggerating a lot there.



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Damn this game! After all these years it STILL bring tears to my eyes. Thanks for the vids.

Now, of course, I must restart another play-through of all 3 games. Thanks a lot, yeah, thanks a lot guys. ;)



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Awesomeness.  Why I love the the ME series.  :wub:  :)



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Can't wait for the new game. I really hope we have another captain that was as awesome as anderson or even cooler.

 

Anderson, Shepard, Garrus, Ashley, Joker where my favorites. Listening to there conversations and story's felt like

real life friends. Wish they where. they would be the kewlest friends of any friends ever lol