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[Hair Serious Business]

...the more I think that there should have been option to destroy it! Here is why:

As we all know the one who drinks from well becomes servant to so called "Goddess" Mythal and it isn't as nearly glorious as it sounds at all. She may be a God(or whatever she really is) unlike random demon that posses you but you still lose your will to her greatly,everything you do goes to her favor in another words you may think you have power but you are nothing more then just random slave to be used and I agree with Leliana on this when she says that she doesn't care if it's Maker or no but she will not accept fate of being just pawn to be used and discarded...and being slave to Mythal is exactly just being pawn and nothing else(it is pretty much same as being servant of Deadric Princes in Skyrim).

On another hand Morrigan is power-hungry and she doesn't hide it one bit and main reasons why I never let her drink is she is way too power-hungry for my taste,Abelas himself says that Morrigan is not worthy and if Guardian of well himself says such thing it just proofs again that Morrigan should not drink it and I trust more some elven guardian that swore to protect well then Morrigan who I had pleasure to meet in DAO enough to know that she is not someone who can be trusted with something as this(I like Morrigan but that doesn't mean I trust her at all one bit she is too mysterious many times that doesn't help me to trust her at all especially with something as this).Even Solas dislikes way more having Morrigan to drink it then having you to drink it.

So point is I dislike giving Morrigan power of elves that she doesn't deserve and I dislike having my Inquisitor being little puppet to Mythal and I really wish that there was option to destroy well in which I think even Solas would approve.Or at least have Solas drink it.Yes I know who Solas really is which is even bigger reason why he should be one to bound himself to Mythal,because afterall he is one who started all mess he might as well pay price for it.

[Gervaise]

You are really in a no win situation with this.    Solas won't drink from the well, he says as much.   If you press the point I'm sure he would outright refuse to do it.   As an elf I wanted to drink from the well but since Solas didn't want to, even though he didn't directly tell me not to, I thought it was likely a bad idea.    Morrigan wants to drink but I really didn't think she should.   However, Solas says someone ought to and I'm pretty sure that both he and Morrigan would stop you from destroying the well even if that was an option.  It's a sort of Catch 22.  I was pretty miffed when I let Morrigan and she's boasting back at Skyhold about all this stuff she now understands.   Then we met Mythal and I suddenly wasn't sorry at all that I let her drink instead of me.   I think that was what you call poetic justice.

[Reguire]

If you had the option to destroy it then it would trigger a fight with Morrigan and just like you killed Leliana in DA:O she would be meaninglessly alive in a future game.

[Hair Serious Business]

You are really in a no win situation with this.    Solas won't drink from the well, he says as much.   If you press the point I'm sure he would outright refuse to do it.   As an elf I wanted to drink from the well but since Solas didn't want to, even though he didn't directly tell me not to, I thought it was likely a bad idea.    Morrigan wants to drink but I really didn't think she should.   However, Solas says someone ought to and I'm pretty sure that both he and Morrigan would stop you from destroying the well even if that was an option.  It's a sort of Catch 22.  I was pretty miffed when I let Morrigan and she's boasting back at Skyhold about all this stuff she now understands.   Then we met Mythal and I suddenly wasn't sorry at all that I let her drink instead of me.   I think that was what you call poetic justice.

It was funny when Flemeth showed up as Mythal lol I admit that...but still having Morrigan with power of ancient elves...especially if I play elves...having her with power of my Inquisitor's people it just doesn't feel right...and I don't want to be Mythal's b!tch for eternity that is for sure...the more I think the more I would wish that there was option to side with Abelas and destroy damn thing...hell f*ck Solas I will gladly trade him for Abelas any day.I just hate the lack of the options in this mission way too much.

[Casuist]

This hypothetical reminds me of the Mass Effect sleeping-with-Morinth critical mission failure. I wouldn't mind there having been an option to destroy the well... followed promptly by a cutscene of Corypheus arriving on scene with a "game over, you lose" overlay.

[MisterJB]

This hypothetical reminds me of the Mass Effect sleeping-with-Morinth critical mission failure. I wouldn't mind there having been an option to destroy the well... followed promptly by a cutscene of Corypheus arriving on scene with a "game over, you lose" overlay.

 

Without the Well of Sorrows, he would not be able to reach the Fade and we wouldn´t be able to kill him. We would be at an impass.

Actually, that might have been a cool consequence.

If you destroy the Well of Sorrows, you can´t kill Corypheus so, you will have to settle for imprisioning him as before .

If you or Morrigan drink from it, you can kill him but you or her will serve Flemeth.
 

[Linkenski]

But doesn't Abelas actually destroy the well if you choose to not do the rituals and chase Calpernia/Samson instead?

 

In my second playthrough I still drank from the well, but in the aftermath Flemeth showed up and did something to Morrigan anyway and instead of Morrigan learning to dragon shapeshift a huge dragon appeared at the grove instead that my inquisitor tamed after a hard battle.

 

I don't know how that changes the final mission though, as I haven't played it yet.

[MisterJB]

But doesn't Abelas actually destroy the well if you choose to not do the rituals and chase Calpernia/Samson instead?

 

In my second playthrough I still drank from the well, but in the aftermath Flemeth showed up and did something to Morrigan anyway and instead of Morrigan learning to dragon shapeshift a huge dragon appeared at the grove instead that my inquisitor tamed after a hard battle.

 

I don't know how that changes the final mission though, as I haven't played it yet.

No, Morrigan shivs him before he has the opportunity.

[Hair Serious Business]

But doesn't Abelas actually destroy the well if you choose to not do the rituals and chase Calpernia/Samson instead?

 

In my second playthrough I still drank from the well, but in the aftermath Flemeth showed up and did something to Morrigan anyway and instead of Morrigan learning to dragon shapeshift a huge dragon appeared at the grove instead that my inquisitor tamed after a hard battle.

 

I don't know how that changes the final mission though, as I haven't played it yet.

Actually he tries but Morrigan kills him to stop him.

Not really it changes nothing in end except fact that in end battle if you drank the dragon you tamed will fight Corypheus's dragon and if Morrigan drank she will fight in dragon form(though she will be knocked out too),so no difference except part who is little puppet of Mythal.

[Nykara]

Given that whomever drinks does in fact become a puppet reguardless I don't think it matters who does. In fact I want to change it over to Morrigan so that I can kick Mythal's puppet in the ass if I need to later on. I don't really want that ass to be my Inquisitors.

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

Given that whomever drinks does in fact become a puppet reguardless I don't think it matters who does. In fact I want to change it over to Morrigan so that I can kick Mythal's puppet in the ass if I need to later on. I don't really want that ass to be my Inquisitors.

Plus better lolz if Morrigan drinks xD

[Lynroy: Final Edition]

I thought the Well was needed to access the Eluvian through which you escape unless I misunderstood Morrigan. You destroy the Well, you can't access the mirror, and you're backed into a corner with Coryphenus coming up behind you. Actually that might have been a cool confrontation.

[Little Mama]

Every playthrough I played so far my IQ drank. I didn't trust Morr with it. Abelas says she's unworthy. I was willing to pay the price to stop Corry.  

What I do wonder is, now when Flemeth is 'dead' who do I serve - Solas or Morr? Or was I freed by Flemeth in the fade...

[Nykara]

Morr is getting it in my next play through because 1) I want to see that reaction that I haven't seen yet and 2) I decided I really don't want my Inquisitor to have it!

That being said she Romanced Cullen and I seriously think Cullen and the Warden should be together.

[leaguer of one]

Every playthrough I played so far my IQ drank. I didn't trust Morr with it. Abelas says she's unworthy. I was willing to pay the price to stop Corry.  

What I do wonder is, now when Flemeth is 'dead' who do I serve - Solas or Morr? Or was I freed by Flemeth in the fade...

You're seriously are ok with being made a slave to something you don't trust or understand?

[Little Mama]

You're seriously are ok with being made a slave to something you don't trust or understand?

Of course not. I would have prefered to be free, but someone had to drink from that blasted well and I didn't think Morr was the right choice. If you demand Flemeth to free you she says she will once she gotten what she came for. It's also possible that you're freed when you bind the dragon.... maybe...   

 

 

The Well of Sorrows is Morrigan's birthright. Last thing Flemeth does before being killed by Solas is to send her 'divinity' through to Eluvian to Morrigan. The Well is the knowledge/wisdom Morrigan needs to use that 'divinity' properly.

 

Correction; He doesn't kill her, she gives herself to him.

And birthright, what do you mean by that? The well is made up by the minds/knowledge of the priests that served Mythal, not her essence. An elven IQ on the other hand does have heritage rights to that knowledge... 

[Giubba]

He still kills her to take her power. Whether it was willing or not doesn't change the outcome. And it is her birthright. Last I checked Morrigan was Flemeth/Mythal's daughter and probably her favorite.

Kiran wasn't killed during the transfer so we can assume that Flemeth could be still alive

[Giubba]

The husk of a body that was in Solas' arms say otherwise.

She gave Morrigan her godhood.

She gave Solas her power.

Her body is lifeless in his arms.

This isn't rocket science...

Husk? it's the same graphical model no apparent alteration after the mythal soul is transferred to solas. It makes sanse the theory that without the divine soul supporting her Flemeth drop dead but another chance is that without mythal soul she simply cannot jump to another body and had to leave the remaining years that her actual body had left

[Little Mama]

He still kills her to take her power. Whether it was willing or not doesn't change the outcome. And it is her birthright. Last I checked Morrigan was Flemeth/Mythal's daughter and probably her favorite.

 

The divinity might have been her birthright, and that she gets. If it possibly isn't the God soul that Flemeth sends back through the mirror at end. In any event the power of the well wasn't ofically said meant for her. Flemeth even indicate as much. _{(I've tried the Morr drinking thing too, just for fun)}  

And yes, he'd likelly have killed her, or at least tried to, if she hadn't given her power to him willingly.

"A soul is never forced upon the unwillig"  after all. 

 

This is at least my thoughts on the matter, but no one exepts the dev really have the answers...

[Little Mama]

Husk? it's the same graphical model no apparent alteration after the mythal soul is transferred to solas. It makes sanse the theory that without the divine soul supporting her Flemeth drop dead but another chance is that without mythal soul she simply cannot jump to another body and had to leave the remaining years that her actual body had left

 

She did 'die' once before (the Warden slaying her but reincarnate through the horrocrux  amulet Hawke brought to the altar...