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[Ogillardetta]

Again mythal is not dead an elven servant talks after the end of the game about how he hears a woman callling herself mythal speaking to him in his dreams. So I think she has safeguards up against dying.

[senior caliente]

Solas aproves if you let morrigan drink, he doesnt whant you to be a slave, he knows that Flemeth is Mythal and the one drinking will serve her, you can choose that nobody drinks from it i thought? Dunno if morrigan still runs into it though.

[Gervaise]

I'm playing a male elf this time with Vallaslin dedicated to Mythal so in this particular case I think I might let him drink from the well because he'd actually feel that was appropriate and probably wouldn't mind being in service to her since he has already dedicated himself anyway, unlike my female elf whose had Gil'ghannan vallaslin and was starry eyed over Solas so totally took her lead from him.     Of course he is never going to know that his Vallaslin mark him as a slave anyway, unless he listens really closely to Cory at the end, but I think he'd feel that may be he was truly following his ancient culture anyway if it was formerly a way that the gods marked their followers.   I'll have to see how it plays out between him and Solas as to whether he'd respect his advice over this since I suspect that not being in a romance with him could make a big difference to their relationship since I won't be hamstrung by heart icons over the questions I ask him.

[Little Mama]

I'm playing a male elf this time with Vallaslin dedicated to Mythal so in this particular case I think I might let him drink from the well because he'd actually feel that was appropriate and probably wouldn't mind being in service to her since he has already dedicated himself anyway, unlike my female elf whose had Gil'ghannan vallaslin and was starry eyed over Solas so totally took her lead from him.     Of course he is never going to know that his Vallaslin mark him as a slave anyway, unless he listens really closely to Cory at the end, but I think he'd feel that may be he was truly following his ancient culture anyway if it was formerly a way that the gods marked their followers.   I'll have to see how it plays out between him and Solas as to whether he'd respect his advice over this since I suspect that not being in a romance with him could make a big difference to their relationship since I won't be hamstrung by heart icons over the questions I ask him.

 

My MC may have romanced Solas but she was her own person, not bound by heart icons. Just like your male elf she was already a devouted beliver of the old Gods, and to her serving Mythal wasn't that big of a deal since she already did, _{in a more none slave way}. 

 

I actually played a male human my first playthrough that was close friends with Solas, but liking him as much as I did I stopped before the end and started a female elf run instead

Glad I did, since the romance probably would have been ruined if I'd known the ending before hand....

[zeypher]

When the elf with a lot of ancient knowledge does not want to drink ancient elven water means i refuse to drink it. My character is not stupid. 

[Brodoteau]

Here is my issue with the Well of Sorrows.  Maybe I am misunderstanding:  So Corypheus drinks and gets power from it.  Ok, fine.  But he will also be a slave to Mythal (bound to be her servant).  So why not let Cory drink from the well?  Granted at the time nobody knows who Mythal is or if she is alive, but still:  Cory drinks from the well, Mythal could commands him to be a good little darkspawn magister and the whole crisis is averted PLUS Solas would then be able to get his orb back.  Ok, so maybe you can't kill Corypheseus but he is a slave to Mythal for eternity, so who, you know, cares.  

 

Is this wrong? Am I not getting something?   

 

So in a way, Flemeth and Solas being all mysterious means that this whole thing has to play out in a longer more damaging way.  

[Giubba]

She did 'die' once before (the Warden slaying her but reincarnate through the horrocrux amulet Hawke brought to the altar...

Yep but in this case we aren't in a position of being 100% sure she died also the others seems to imply that she's dead for good i hardly think this is the case

[Lynroy: Final Edition]

Here is my issue with the Well of Sorrows.  Maybe I am misunderstanding:  So Corypheus drinks and gets power from it.  Ok, fine.  But he will also be a slave to Mythal (bound to be her servant).  So why not let Cory drink from the well?  Granted at the time nobody knows who Mythal is or if she is alive, but still:  Cory drinks from the well, Mythal could commands him to be a good little darkspawn magister and the whole crisis is averted PLUS Solas would then be able to get his orb back.  Ok, so maybe you can't kill Corypheseus but he is a slave to Mythal for eternity, so who, you know, cares.  

 

Is this wrong? Am I not getting something?   

 

So in a way, Flemeth and Solas being all mysterious means that this whole thing has to play out in a longer more damaging way.  

Corypheus was sending Samson/Calpernia to drink from the Well and become the 'vessel' for him. So no, Coryphyspit wouldn't have become a servant bound to Mythal.

[llandwynwyn]

It just another choice that doesn't matter, with what we know now I'd let Morrigan drink. She wins either way.

[Brodoteau]

Corypheus was sending Samson/Calpernia to drink from the Well and become the 'vessel' for him. So no, Coryphyspit wouldn't have become a servant bound to Mythal.

Ok but being the vessel would have meant that he took over her body no?  What exactly does being the vessel entail?

 

Even still, so Calpernia/Samson is the vessel, so Mythal commands her to not obey Corypheuseessussses.  Problem solved no?    

[Boost32]

Ok but being the vessel would have meant that he took over her body no?  What exactly does being the vessel entail?
 
Even still, so Calpernia/Samson is the vessel, so Mythal commands her to not obey Corypheuseessussses.  Problem solved no?

Calpernia/Samson would drink from the Well, after that Corypheus would use a bind spell that would force them to say the truth about any question he made.
You can know more about it, if you side with the Templars.

[Brodoteau]

Thanks, that makes a bit more sense.  First run through I did side with the Templars but I must have missed that bit in the temple.  But how would that work, if Cal/Sam are already bound to Mythal can Cory override that?    

 

Even still, I think Mythal could have stopped the whole thing if she had wanted because she could have had Cal/Sam betray Cory.  

 

To me the Well of Sorrows is a giant MacGuffin.   

[In Exile]

Thanks, that makes a bit more sense.  First run through I did side with the Templars but I must have missed that bit in the temple.  But how would that work, if Cal/Sam are already bound to Mythal can Cory override that?    

 

Even still, I think Mythal could have stopped the whole thing if she had wanted because she could have had Cal/Sam betray Cory.  

 

To me the Well of Sorrows is a giant MacGuffin.   

 

It's just another sign that Corypheus is grasping at straws. He was broken once he lost his faith, and all of DA:I is just his mad flailing to try and assert some sort of stability for himself. It's why on his death he calls out to Dumat. 

[Boost32]

Thanks, that makes a bit more sense.  First run through I did side with the Templars but I must have missed that bit in the temple.  But how would that work, if Cal/Sam are already bound to Mythal can Cory override that?    
 
Even still, I think Mythal could have stopped the whole thing if she had wanted because she could have had Cal/Sam betray Cory.  
 
To me the Well of Sorrows is a giant MacGuffin.

You need to do Calpernia's quest, "Under her skin" to have this information.
The biding spell would force them to tell the truth and they would be immobilized by it, so they couldnt betray him.
After that he would get the information he needed to enter the fade using the Eluvian (like Kieran did to reach Felmeth).

[Lynroy: Final Edition]

Thanks, that makes a bit more sense.  First run through I did side with the Templars but I must have missed that bit in the temple.  But how would that work, if Cal/Sam are already bound to Mythal can Cory override that?    

 

Even still, I think Mythal could have stopped the whole thing if she had wanted because she could have had Cal/Sam betray Cory.  

 

To me the Well of Sorrows is a giant MacGuffin.   

We don't quite understand the terms of the gaes/geas/whatever that the Well drinker is put under. I doubt it's as simple as "you're my ****** now go do my biding".

You need to do Calpernia's quest, "Under her skin" to have this information.
The biding spell would force them to tell the truth and they would be immobilized by it, so they couldnt betray him.
After that he would get the information he needed to enter the fade using the Eluvian (like Kieran did to reach Felmeth).

[Anaeme]

People keep saying Mythals Soul transferred to Solas

 

That is wrong

 

Mythal gave Solas her power, NOT her soul. her power alone

 

 

Flemeth wants her godhood to go to Morrigan as confirmed in the datamined designer notes

[Patchwork]

Honestly I'm more worried about what Morrigan will do to the IQ who denied her the Well once she gets Mythal's soul. 

[javeart]

I think at least in my first pt I'd have destroyed the well if we were given the chance, I was ready to do so. But BW never let the story branch out too much, so clearly, the knowledge from the well has a role to play in future games, and someone has to drink to make everything easier.

 

I have a strong suspicion we're going to end up working closely for/with Morrigan in the future either way... I'm afraid though that all the Inquisitors that I allowed to drink might end up dead, beause that's the kind of consequence that this kind of decision usually have in DA games 

[Little Mama]

I think at least in my first pt I'd have destroyed the well if we were given the chance, I was ready to do so. But BW never let the story branch out too much, so clearly, the knowledge from the well has a role to play in future games, and someone has to drink to make everything easier.

 

I have a strong suspicion we're going to end up working closely for/with Morrigan in the future either way... I'm afraid though that all the Inquisitors that I allowed to drink might end up dead, beause that's the kind of consequence that this kind of decision usually have in DA games 

Well, we shall all die one day. It's the way we lived that matters. 

[javeart]

Well, we shall all die one day. It's the way we lived that matters. 

 

as Zevran woudl say, "the thing is I like living" 

[MrMrPendragon]

Tbh, I think it is better if the Inquisitor drinks from the well. You may be a servant to the will of Mythal, but in the end, Solas is revealed to be at least on par with Flemeth/Mythal when it comes to power. Plus, I don't know exactly what happened, but I'm sure Solas is still Solas at the end.

 

He's going to be your insurance if you befriend him. He's not about to double cross you or let Mythal put you in harms way if you got Solas in your corner. Still, it's a gamble, but I believe that this is the best case scenario.

 

That's how I saw things playing out. If Morrigan drank from the Well, she'd have power, but will be a servant to Mythal (or Solas potentially). Given that Morrigan and the Warden have a kid in my save, it wouldn't be right to leave Kieran motherless, if the worst scenario happens.

[veeia]

Agreed 100% it makes me so angry every time

[Precursor Meta]

I would've loved to destroy the well. We don't need its power because by that point, Cory has already shown his incompetence. And my inquisitor had already slain 3 dragons back to back to back in the emprise Du lion.

So Cory could be killed and nobody gets bound to Mythal. But of course the story commanded that I do the complete opposite so you know...

[javeart]

I disagree. If the ****** Chantry is presented as worthy of preserving because it brings some good in the world (along with its hatred, corruption, abuse, bigotry, magephobia, racism, sexism, etc), then ancient elvish magic and knowledge is also worth preserving. Flemeth-as-Mythal even makes it clear that she's not evil, and not completely unsympathetic or unkind, just... has really strong priorities. Morrigan also makes it clear that while she's not the most forthcoming or reliable as a teammate, she's also not evil and not setting out to do anything terrible. She is trying to do something that she truly believes is right and will benefit the world; that ancient magics, knowledge, lore, traditions, and so on are worth preserving. And I agree with her.

 

I never thought of destroying the well as meaning that ancient elven culture was not worth preserving, in my case I just wanted to respect the guardian whises. I admit though that I always have a hard time trusting Morrigan, so there was also a little of "I'd rather destroy the well than giving it to her"