These scenes were given as proof of mature gameplay, so don't mind my reaction to them. He's talking about the games and the books have no relevance to this discussion. Not to mention, the sex scenes in the books don't focus on the women and only describe the women's looks, they focus more on the interaction and relationship between both characters.
it's a video game: 'show, don't tell' (i'm looking at you, DAI codex)
Also, you should try Spartacus: Blood and Sand (Starz series). Very equal on the nudity and sex part. Still no chest-hair though. I feel discriminated against.
Nice Spartacus, but with too few naked men in it... 
Nice Spartacus, but with too few naked men in it...
My wife-to-be always referred to it as "that show with gay porn aesthetics"... I'm inclined to agree
Isabela was practically someone who was comfortable enough with her sexuality to talk about it openly and was fun to hang out with. If brothels had characters with even more story to tell, I guess it wouldn't be so boring, right?
Of course...there are plenty of intriguing stories that you can weave around the brothel setting...
Of course...there are plenty of intriguing stories that you can weave around the brothel setting...
like that one time at templar initiation?
Of course...there are plenty of intriguing stories that you can weave around the brothel setting...
The way I'm reading you right now, it's like people in brothels do nothing but being sexy things to play with. They all got reasons to be there, they're still people.
My wife-to-be always referred to it as "that show with gay porn aesthetics"... I'm inclined to agree
Oh, I was waiting for someone to say "gay"...
From someone with a lot of experience in life let me tell your wife-to-be: There will come a time for her when she's looking at her former husband-to-be, that she won't find those aesthetics so bad aynmore compared to him... 
The way I'm reading you right now, it's like people in brothels do nothing but being sexy things to play with. They all got reasons to be there, they're still people.
They are usually more or less bagels...buy one that you like, it has no effect on anything and it is underwhelmingly unintriguing...it might as well take place in a bakery...
They are usually more or less bagels...buy one that you like, it has no effect on anything and it is underwhelmingly unintriguing...it might as well take place in a bakery...
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.........
The way I'm reading you right now, it's like people in brothels do nothing but being sexy things to play with. They all got reasons to be there, they're still people.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.........
What is your point...could just as well be a pastry chef...
The naughty boy option in DA2 still cracks me up. I miss the brothels mostly for the WTF moments and the interesting stuff being said around those places.
What is your point...could just as well be a pastry chef...
My point is that you only judge books by their covers.
Of course...there are plenty of intriguing stories that you can weave around the brothel setting...
It's mostly about the lack of chest hair. She's partial to it. For me, it was more of a porn aesthetics, at the time.
And I loved the main lead, god bless his soul.
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My point is that you only judge books by their covers.
But...there is no book...she is just a cover...
Oh, I was waiting for someone to say "gay"...
From someone with a lot of experience in life let me tell your wife-to-be: There will come a time for her when she's looking at her former husband-to-be, that she won't find those aesthetics so bad aynmore compared to him...
But...there is no book...she is just a cover...
I don't know, plenty of "wait what?" moments can lead to fantastic questions. Da2 proved that for me! Why the hell am I being lectured by a templar initiate in a brothel about repentance and the philosophy of it? All I asked for was the bad boy special..
...and the room full of traps was a good gag too...but somehow I don't think it is that type of content OP is requesting when they want more "adult" content...
...and maybe this is the point where someone on the design crew thought:
"Maybe making cheap jokes about sex workers and sex trade doesn't make our game more mature, dark and gritty..."
When have they ever been dark and gritty? DA:O felt like a T-rated epic. Want something dark and gritty? Watch Game of Thrones.
When have they ever been dark and gritty? DA:O felt like a T-rated epic. Want something dark and gritty? Watch Game of Thrones.
No, read A Song of Ice and Fire. The show isn't even half as dark as the novels.
When have they ever been dark and gritty? DA:O felt like a T-rated epic. Want something dark and gritty? Watch Game of Thrones.
I prefer The Wire but yes...this is what I´ve been trying to say...don´t confuse simple and cheap gimmicks like brothels or boobpatch demons for real controversy and shocking content...DA isn't controversial, it´s always been light-hearted and middle road so there is no reason to cry that the big mean political correctness police came and took away your dark and controversial content...
No, read A Song of Ice and Fire. The show isn't even half as dark as the novels.
Point taken.
Beh, I don't know why people are going on and on about the game being "dark and gritty". I want colourful, I want variance! I want bright, AND I want dark. The game, however, was turned into a drab potato sack, just like those beige PJs.
Also (please bear with me, I just read 7 pages of this and don't have perfect memory): To whoever said that brothels are just donut-shops: I actually find THAT more offensive and close-minded than simply rejecting the presence of brothels on PC grounds. Both staff (m/f) and clientele (m/f) are humans (well, maybe elves etc., but you get my point). As such, they offer themselves as a prime opportunity to tell complex stories. Simply going "omg a brothel, what a bore" is doing neither the design team nor the complainer much service. You might just as well go "omg a warrior, what a bore" or "omg a temple, what a bore". In any case, this demonstrates an unwillingness to engage and to peer below the surface.
I often use the simile of an onion for evaluating stories. Like an onion, a story has several layers. Take a children's book, for example. There's always the surface layer, the prima-facie-story that the small kids understand while you read the book to them. Then there's often a morale layer, something that the kids understand after spending some time thinking about the story. And there is also, very often, an adult layer that includes stuff, such as allegories, that no kid at the target group's age will understand, but the parents will. And so on.
If brothels are indeed just "donut shops", then either the writer did a terrible job for failing to engage on multiple layers, or the consumer did, for failing to recognise anything but the top surface layer.
Edit/PS: I'm not sure I'm mirroring the OP's gist here, this is just my opinion. I don't really need any "wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am" *tading! achievement gained! romance card aquired!* stuff. This is one of the reasons why I'm no great fan of TW -- I always thought sex was gratuitious/cheap, actually even a bit demeaning there. But I think that areas along the edge of what we consider 'normal' are far more interesting and therefore better storytelling material than the stuff we face every day in our lives.
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