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[Sekondar]

You can't side with the baddie, if that's what you want. Every roleplaying game has a limit of how much you can control the PC and the world around him.


You're fighting the evil in DAI.

You're missing the point.

[o Ventus]

So far none has charged any european or north american leader for the coup d´eta in Ukraine in 2014 whose consequences are a civil war still ongoing so I don´t think Vilegrim affirmation is off: there are a lot of things that modern western nations do (like providing support for a coup d´eta in a first world democratic country for example) without none being charged of anything or ending in jail.

Taking off these spoiler tags, this is way too stupid to keep hidden away.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

That's because you're not a psycho. It's not normal to go up to Bull and say something like "You know how when we killed the dragon you said you'd think back on this moment with great respect while pleasuring yourself?"

 Yet you can tell Leliana to 'get over it' for example, there are ways to write dialogue that convey your point outside of the absolute extremes.

[In Exile]

Yet you can tell Leliana to 'get over it' for example, there are ways to write dialogue that convey your point outside of the absolute extremes.

What exchange are you talking about? Anyway I'm not trying to defend a "regret" scenario - just saying that the sane alternative wouldn't be an option recognised as evil.

[Hazegurl]

Yes, I wonder why Bioware wouldn't want a game focused on fulfilling your desire for a game centred on religious persecution.

Weren't you arguing before that being "Evil" in this game wouldn't make any sense at all? Considering the fact that organizations such as this has been used for religious persecution, then I don't see why it would be terrible to explore this in a setting where religious zealotry is a thing.

[JackPoint]

What exchange are you talking about? Anyway I'm not trying to defend a "regret" scenario - just saying that the sane alternative wouldn't be an option recognised as evil.

What i'm saying is you have no choice in the matter, wether you personally like it or not.

[rigron]

I think the companions being more or less untouchable (aside from Blackwall) is a big part of it. DA2 let you do some downright awful things to them e.g. letting Meredith kill Bethany, giving Fenris back to Danarius, giving Isabela to the Arishok. In DAI there's no reason not to be friends with them since the opportunity to screw them over for personal gain never comes up.

 

In Baldur´s Gate I could kill each and every one of them. Why can´t I kill them in Dragon Age Inquisition? At least Sera should be killable in my opinion.

 

Taking off these spoiler tags, this is way too stupid to keep hidden away.

 

It´s not.

 

Just to make it shorter: Do you understand spanish?

[In Exile]

Weren't you arguing before that being "Evil" in this game wouldn't make any sense at all? Considering the fact that organizations such as this has been used for religious persecution, then I don't see why it would be terrible to explore this in a setting where religious zealotry is a thing.

I said that stupid evil, i.e., pointless cruelty, wouldn't work with the moral compass of the characters we have in DAI. Sure, they could redesign the entire companion set so they'd be religious bigots who are pro-relgious persecution, but then you've just created a game where being good makes no sense.

In the DAI that we have religious persecution wouldn't work. None of the Inquisition's Inner Circle would stand for it, and the non-Andrastians would clearly be victims of it.

[JackPoint]

Sera, Cole and Blackwall would be on the block if ii had my way, those 3 have no business being anywhere near the inquisition.

[Bethgael]

"The best evil presents as an angel of light."

Also, evil rarely realises it is.

[tmp7704]

Sera, Cole and Blackwall would be on the block if ii had my way, those 3 have no business being anywhere near the inquisition.

IIRC you have free choice not to enlist any of them. Sera can be also kicked out at any moment, not sure about the other two (but you can always leave Blackwall to his fate once you find out about him)

[Jackal19851111]

This is not that sort of game for the most part though you can inflict fates worse than death, like having people made tranquil, banishing them to the sea of ash, putting a sign on them that they stole from corypheus then leaving them for the venitari, and of course in one case you can keep someone from having a proper burial by having their skull used as a stage prop on the evil of evil.

 

That guy who decieved the grey wardens... as a rogue/warrior I could not break him. Wanted that ****** to beg for mercy, nope, he doesn't fear death or imprisonment. But... oh how satisfying it was to hear him squeal by sentencing to tranquility as a mage! Fun fun

 

But yeah, these moments are far in between, in general there is a lack of RP options as a whole. I would prefer darker resolutions to the quests.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Sera, Cole and Blackwall would be on the block if ii had my way, those 3 have no business being anywhere near the inquisition.

 

You can kick Sera out, refuse Cole and either leave Blackwall to die or make him basically your slave. 

[Sekondar]

That's because you're not a psycho. It's not normal to go up to Bull and say something like "You know how when we killed the dragon you said you'd think back on this moment with great respect while pleasuring yourself?"

But why can't I be a psycho?

[Obsidian Gryphon]

I want to play an evil, manipulative, power-hungry blood mage. Someone who's only after power, and will do anything to get it. Who's willing to sacrifice anything in that pursuit.

I can't, however, since even the most evil... Is kinda just rude. Such a shame. In DA:O I found it very possible, especially with options like the Dark Ritual. I will say tho, the Well of Sorrows was one point, where it was very possible, but apart from that... Have you guys tried playing as an evil guy? Sort of like Raistlin from Dragonlance, if anyone is familiar with him. How did it go?

 

I don't find DA games (or rather Bioware) games a particularly good canvas to RP evil. Bad / selfish / silly, questionable decisions. Yes. I always take the path of the Paladin (aka Paksenarion).

[JackPoint]

You can kick Sera out, refuse Cole and either leave Blackwall to die or make him basically your slave. 

yeh i did that, but exiled the wardens from Orlais and sent blackwall with them, long b4 his story, sorry bioware but blackwall was far too boring to bother with.

[EmissaryofLies]

But why can't I be a psycho?

 

Because it does not fit in their story. Let's not forget that you are playing their game; not the other way 'round. You will take what you are given and you will thank them for it, dammit!

[KainD]

In the real world this isn't grey.

No, everything is grey.

[Hazegurl]

I said that stupid evil, i.e., pointless cruelty, wouldn't work with the moral compass of the characters we have in DAI. Sure, they could redesign the entire companion set so they'd be religious bigots who are pro-relgious persecution, but then you've just created a game where being good makes no sense.

In the DAI that we have religious persecution wouldn't work. None of the Inquisition's Inner Circle would stand for it, and the non-Andrastians would clearly be victims of it.

Not arguing in favor of pointless cruelty but our companions are not all rainbows and sunshine here.

 

Cullen- Lyrium addict. You want to keep him leashed? Get him back on the stuff and he'll shut up and go with anything against Mages.

Blackwall- Sure he'll be an issue, until his own wretched child killing past is exposed. Who cares what he thinks.

Josie- she may be a problem. But why can't I blackmail her and her family? She won't be going anywhere when faced with making some more coin.

Cassandra- religious zealot already

IB- His name means liar, enough said

Sera- Cares about nothing except making money and sticking it to nobles. Whocares if she ends up in a ditch

Leliana- Is willing to kidnap kids and cut throats

Dorian- Could be a major issue if you want to romance him. If not he'll pack up and be on a boat to Tevinter.

Cole- Will leave anyway

Solas- has his own agenda

Viv- has her own agenda

 

Yeah not seeing the major overhaul you keep saying is needed. What you want is to just not be an "evil" or ethically questionable character. Let's not pretend that the game isn't already set up for that type of behavior.

 

Of course non andrastians would be victimized by it, that's the point of religious persecution.

[KainD]

Not arguing in favor of pointless cruelty

Nobody does anything without a reason, nothing is pointless.

[Ryzaki]

... Cass isn't a religious zealot.

 

edit: not to the above poster obv

[In Exile]

... Cass isn't a religious zealot.

edit: not to the above poster obv

She is in fact adamant about how the chantry needs to focus on good works. She's the biggest refomrer beside Leliana.

[Chashan]

Not arguing in favor of pointless cruelty but our companions are not all rainbows and sunshine here.

 

Cullen- Lyrium addict. You want to keep him leashed? Get him back on the stuff and he'll shut up and go with anything against Mages.

Blackwall- Sure he'll be an issue, until his own wretched child killing past is exposed. Who cares what he thinks.

Josie- she may be a problem. But why can't I blackmail her and her family? She won't be going anywhere when faced with making some more coin.

Cassandra- religious zealot already

IB- His name means liar, enough said

Sera- Cares about nothing except making money and sticking it to nobles. Whocares if she ends up in a ditch

Leliana- Is willing to kidnap kids and cut throats

Dorian- Could be a major issue if you want to romance him. If not he'll pack up and be on a boat to Tevinter.

Cole- Will leave anyway

Solas- has his own agenda

Viv- has her own agenda

 

Yeah not seeing the major overhaul you keep saying is needed. What you want is to just not be an "evil" or ethically questionable character. Let's not pretend that the game isn't already set up for that type of behavior.

 

Of course non andrastians would be victimized by it, that's the point of religious persecution.

 

Kinda gives her a droog-ish vibe, to me. Particularly her smacking up this one noble to death during her companion-quest.

 

 

 

More importantly, real world parallels aside, it's stated right in the game itself that such lovely stuff was what the Inquisition's namesake forerunner in Thedas did.

 

Marketing-move of associating the game in such a way by way of its title aside, shouldn't that be reason enough to craft the story more with this in mind?

[In Exile]

Not arguing in favor of pointless cruelty but our companions are not all rainbows and sunshine here.

Cullen- Lyrium addict. You want to keep him leashed? Get him back on the stuff and he'll shut up and go with anything against Mages.
Blackwall- Sure he'll be an issue, until his own wretched child killing past is exposed. Who cares what he thinks.
Josie- she may be a problem. But why can't I blackmail her and her family? She won't be going anywhere when faced with making some more coin.
Cassandra- religious zealot already
IB- His name means liar, enough said
Sera- Cares about nothing except making money and sticking it to nobles. Whocares if she ends up in a ditch
Leliana- Is willing to kidnap kids and cut throats
Dorian- Could be a major issue if you want to romance him. If not he'll pack up and be on a boat to Tevinter.
Cole- Will leave anyway
Solas- has his own agenda
Viv- has her own agenda

Yeah not seeing the major overhaul you keep saying is needed. What you want is to just not be an "evil" or ethically questionable character. Let's not pretend that the game isn't already set up for that type of behavior.

Of course non andrastians would be victimized by it, that's the point of religious persecution.

Cullen left the Templar Order because he didn't want to massacre mages in the name of religion. Whether or not he's an addict won't change that part of him.

Blackmail Josie with *what* exactly? I mean sure you can invent some power fantasy here but who will be your enable? Her friend Leliana? You're kidding yourself.

The IB is quite clearly not pro-massacre. He turned himself over for reeducation because he couldn't handle the violence in Seheron.

You could certainly fantasize about killing Sera but she'd oppose you - you're everything she hates about nobility.

Leliana is the BIGGEST reformer of the Chantry. She wants to abolish the Circles and include the elves into the priesthood. A ruthless Leliana would be your absolute greatest nemesis. Your very agenda is an offence to everything she holds dear.

It goes on. None of these characters would support hard line religious bigotry. I suppose you could lament the lack of "Torture is actually great!!!!" situations from ME but IMO that's not really evil.

[Lebanese Dude]

This thread.

You can roleplay being evil by picking certain options while using headcanon to justify them.

Or is that not good enough and everything needs to be explicit? I thought game-imposed limits are anti-RP. Pick a side already.

Pardon BioWare for not allowing you to be a mustache-twirling psychotic murderer while leading an organization whose entire purpose is to fix the world.

They stick to the more realistic and pragmatic version of evil which boils down to using people to achieve your own selfish ends while gaining the power that controls nations.

You can do that in spades in DAI. Of course that's not evil unless you murder peasant #3421