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[In Exile]

If you are the strongest leader standing at the end of the blight, who's going to oppose you? The army you gather in DAO is *more* than sufficient enough for this, and what do you think the Landsmeet was? If you play your cards right, you can do an incredible amount of human wreckage in the Landsmeet so that you (the Warden) are the only real viable military leader left.....that is you can insure that Eamon is discredited, both Alistair and Logain are dead, and Anora is forced to give you lands and titles as well as marrying you.

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

What are you on about? None of the forces you gather owe you any fealty. You're not the strongest leader at the end of DAO - the supposedly "evil" choices actually put you in a far weaker position. With the Circle broken the Templars are - in the immediate future - a highly professional and freestanding military force at the beck and call of the Chantry. Bhelen is a dictator with a growing army of golems that he controls absolutely using control rods, not you. Ferleden is united under the power hungry Anora. At most you have an army of werewolves, the historic enemy of all Ferelden. That's basically a new rallying cry for everyone against *you* .

At *most* you can try and claim a minor fiefdom in Ferelden that you get at the mercy of Anora, who rules unopposed.

The most saccharin LG choices make you the personal advisor to a spinless Alistair, which gives you far more power and you can claim those titles anyway. If you're a female HN you marry him and can rule as Queen, again through a spineless husband.

Eamon keeps Redcliffe no matter what, and gives up his title to Teagan anyway. Who as we've seen throughout DAO is no pushover.

You're just completely wrong about DAO. All you do with "evil" choices is empower Bhelen and give Anora a political opening to accrue power to the Crown.

Edit: Bioware doesn't retcon away the choices: it gives you the reality of what happens. The chantry says lol nope to free mages. The humans massacre the upstart elves.

[zeypher]

Then do not call the game inquisition, i was hoping to do some proper burn the heretics but nothing.

[JackPoint]

Youu have the mark, they have no choice but to follow you, good or bad. Sadly the bad just isnt a choice to the PC, its CG or LG only.

[Il Divo]

We should all just watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes instead. 

[Isaidlunch]

A meaningful ending choice (e.g. forcing your way to Divine) would have been the perfect opportunity to separate the good Inquisitors from the naughty but they passed over that in favor of making a decision for you. It's realistic but damn, I'd be lying if I said I didn't want this:

 

[Mirth]

Yeah. I'm playing an elf right now. I don't think I got that war table mission yet but that is so bogus. Honestly, I'm almost inclined to believe that the IQ is a Tranquil no matter the class.
 

Or a mage who will do anything for arcane knowledge, accept for honoring the wishes of the one who gave it to you. Chucking the stone with the spirit inside in DAO is cold.

If you do the chain with the "correct" agents, they don't die.

[Joseph Warrick]

You take the divine's job, then all the other applicants start having gay sex to prevent you from existing so you can't take their jewb.

[deerstop]

I disagree! As for me, I like it when the red options are more of "I'm doing the right thing albeit in a rude way" than "I'm killing everything that moves because I'm crazy and super-evil!!!111". Many people, myself included, disliked that in Mass Effect 3 the "rude" choices meant you're a sadistic mass murderer.

[Sekondar]

I disagree! As for me, I like it when the red options are more of "I'm doing the right thing albeit in a rude way" than "I'm killing everything that moves because I'm crazy and super-evil!!!111". Many people, myself included, disliked that in Mass Effect 3 the "rude" choices meant you're a sadistic mass murderer.

Why not have both?

[Sekondar]

Do you think they'd name an evil dude "Inquisitor?"

"He brutally torched a village for gold, but I bet he'll be the one to lead our people to victory, I'm sure of it!"

There's a limit to how far things can go.

Burning villages is actually something the Inquisition should do. It's only in this game, that they're this clean-handed.

[Hazegurl]

In ME3 you can choose not to do any of the renegade options. Also, you're hardly sadistic. During the Genophage arc it's obvious that the choice got to Shepard. You can even choose to confide in Garrus about it later or be okay with it.  

 

With The Quarians, they were stupid and killed themselves. You can feel bad and even try to save Tali or you can choose to call them stupid and move on.

 

Not liking the options doesn't mean they shouldn't exist at all.

[omgodzilla]

I disagree! As for me, I like it when the red options are more of "I'm doing the right thing albeit in a rude way" than "I'm killing everything that moves because I'm crazy and super-evil!!!111". Many people, myself included, disliked that in Mass Effect 3 the "rude" choices meant you're a sadistic mass murderer.

 

Umm...what? Sabotaging the genophage was done in order to gain Salarian support and because an exploding Krogan population could have devastating effects on Turians and Salarians. Alot of Krogan want revenge for the genophage. What does that have to do with being sadistic? When Shepard shoots, Mordin, he's disgusted with himself. He throws his gun away and walks away in shame but still believes that he had to do it. It's no different than the US using the atomic bombs in ww2. A brutal action that was believed necessary for the greater good. If you think Shepard sabotages the genophage just to be a sadistic mass murderer then you probably weren't paying attention. 

 

Also, renegade isn't mean to be "rude". Renegade is all about getting the job done at all costs and considering the needs of the many before the needs of the few, which is EXACTLY what sabotaging the genophage was. 

[omgodzilla]

In ME3 you can choose not to do any of the renegade options. Also, you're hardly sadistic. During the Genophage arc it's obvious that the choice got to Shepard. You can even choose to confide in Garrus about it later or be okay with it.  

 

With The Quarians, they were stupid and killed themselves. You can feel bad and even try to save Tali or you can choose to call them stupid and move on.

 

Not liking the options doesn't mean they shouldn't exist at all.

 

How is killing the quarians even a renegade choice though? If you can't do the persuasion then you HAVE to pick between the Quarians and Geth. If choosing one is renegade, then the other has to be paragon. Hell, there's a renegade persuasion where you could get peace between them both. 

[deerstop]

Why not have both?

 

That'd be fantastic. But it's usually one or the other with Bioware.

[Hazegurl]

How is killing the quarians even a renegade choice though? If you can't do the persuasion then you HAVE to pick between the Quarians and Geth. If choosing one is renegade, then the other has to be paragon. Hell, there's a renegade persuasion where you could get peace between them both. 

True. I don't consider it a renegade move either but usually allowing the Quarians to pew pew themselves to death is what some people mean by calling Shep a mass murder.  I almost always go with Renegade peace cause having two armies is better than one.  And even then destroy is my canon option even if it kills EDI and the Geth because as much as I like them and understand them, their existence isn't worth keeping the Reapers alive.

[Ryzaki]

Pretty sure letting the quarians get vaporized is the paragon choice.

 

Least I recall whining about that.

[Joseph Warrick]

Burning villages is actually something the Inquisition should do. It's only in this game, that they're this clean-handed.

 

Paladins serve righteous causes. In this series, they are drug addict oppressors. Dragon Age does that to factions.

[omgodzilla]

The game could definitely gone quite a bit further with how ruthless you could be. You could easily get away with things like torture or flaying your enemies alive. The judgements could've been more brutal. At the very least, they shouldn't have restricted the tranquility option to only mage inquisitors. By the middle of the game, the inquisition is already powerful enough to rival nations, especially after you get Orlais's support. There's alot you could get away with. I disliked how tame the inquisitor was compared to previous Bioware protaganists. Don't think I'm asking for the option to kick puppies though. Being evil just for the sake of being evil is boring. Being brutal and ruthless to achieve your goals is absolutely fine with me though. If you think that no one will follow you then why is history full of brutal leaders? Fear and ruthlessness can be very useful tools in solidifying your power. Again, I'm not asking to be a sadistic monster, I'm asking to be a pragmatic leader that isn't afraid to use brutal means to destroy his enemies. 

[omgodzilla]

Pretty sure letting the quarians get vaporized is the paragon choice.

 

Least I recall whining about that.

 

Lol Friggin mass murdering space paladins! And people still shift blame to us renegades...

[Sekondar]

That'd be fantastic. But it's usually one or the other with Bioware.

Hence my disatifaction. That's only true from DA2 and forward tho. Well, ME1 too.

[Sekondar]

Paladins serve righteous causes. In this series, they are drug addict oppressors. Dragon Age does that to factions.

I'm only saying an Inquisitor isn't some saint-like guy. Not necessarily.