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[cronshaw]

Whats hilarious is your reading comprehension. How does morally questionable = evil? Look i have realised that this tame fantasy games suit you, more power to you but not for me. There is not a single morally questionable decision we have to make for the greater good. Not everyone likes unicorn farting rainbows style fantasy. I was anyways done with mass effect with their gradual retardation, looks like dragon age is also done in that regards. Now the reason you ask why am i still here? well hoping that a patch makes the game work properly and controls and their binding s get properly fixed. Since i have already paid for this product i want to get some value out of it. 

 

Finally point this is a bloody game IE something meant to be fun, but your beloved company has removed the fun and made it a political manifesto. I play games as a hobby to get some form of escapism from real life where i already have to deal with crap like that. 

 

A lot of us warned that this would happen hell we even foresaw that this is going to be their direction, the reason we are still here is simple Hope being our weakness. We kept hoping that this will be good. They even told us like origins in their advertising. But as they say lesson learned.

you're reading quite a bit into my post

Edgy anti-heros and moral ambiguity can childish and moral certainty can be adult and mature

some things are simple

but that kind of thinking is lost on those who have ingested the irony/post-modernist kool-aide

anyway it was a mistake for me to respond in the first place as this is an issue I'm not really interested in getting into on an internet forum

I apologize if my tone offended you (sincerely) 

[RepHope]

Curious to see if I speak for more than myself when I say that I wanted to be Hardened Leliana.

You kinda can be if you conscript the Mages/Templars, exile the Wardens, and blackmail the leader of Orlais into working for you.

[tmp7704]

There's nothing evil about sacrificing the chargers.

It can easily be, depending what's your actual motivations behind it.

[Hazegurl]

Erm.. I'm pretty sure I didn't said that every death is "chaotic evil", not sure what you are getting at. And, btw, if we are going to use labels, killing Anders for blowing up innocent people is not "evil", it's "tragic".

You continue to bring up chaotic evil like that is what everyone is asking for. My examples are to show that Inquisition does in fact give you murder knife options and I don't select it at all cause it's stupid and pointless. The reasons for using the murder knife in Inquisition is stupid evil compared the reasons presented in ME and early DA games.

 

If all I wanted was a "use murder knife here" option. I should be satisfied with Inquisition. But I'm not cause that's not what I'm looking for.

 

As for labels, I never once said that Murder knifing Anders was evil. *shrug*

No, I will not derail this thread into another stupid Anders thread.

 

Curious to see if I speak for more than myself when I say that I wanted to be Hardened Leliana.

Hardened Leliana was awesome! I would have loved to have come up with some of the ideas she had, or have an enemy where I had to decide if kidnapping their young nephew as my personal "guest" was a good option or not. I wouldn't want to be her though but it would have been nice to actually be a "Medieval Lord/Noble"

 

Like the Ramsey scene in the Game of Thrones game. Forcing a minor noble to work for me, providing a resource for my troops. Deciding to kill the young lord of the house or something if needed.

[EmissaryofLies]

You kinda can be if you conscript the Mages/Templars, exile the Wardens, and blackmail the leader of Orlais into working for you.

 

It pales in comparison to what our predecessors could do. I think Orlais is the closest thing to ruthless; the Mages/Templars were idiots who owed everything to my Inquisition and the Wardens were working for Cory. Conscription and exile are the most sensible choices. Unfortunately, it's only sensible in the short term for the wardens.

[ThreeF]

You continue to bring up chaotic evil like that is what everyone is asking for. My examples are to show that Inquisition does in fact give you murder knife options and I don't select it at all cause it's stupid and pointless. The reasons for using the murder knife in Inquisition is stupid evil compared the reasons presented in ME and early DA games.

 

If all I wanted was a "use murder knife here" option. I should be satisfied with Inquisition. But I'm not cause that's not what I'm looking for.

 

As for labels, I never once said that Murder knifing Anders was evil. *shrug*

 

Actually I think it was the first time I had used the term "chaotic evil", but I've used insane villain with poor people skills, before.

 

The point is almost every argument I see in here that starts with "that's not what I'm looking for" end up with "but I can't kill people". There are many ways to be evil and ruthless without killing. If you (any you) were willing to roleplay the murder knife in DA there is no reason why you can't roleplay evil in DAI. Inquisitor is as blank as he/she gets and can be anything you want them to be.  You are given an opportunity to define "evil" beyond simple killing in game.

 

(and all those who want to kill innocent, like I said, just send the village girl to Wardens, if you want it so much)

[Sekondar]

Actually I think it was the first time I had used the term "chaotic evil", but I've used insane villain with poor people skills, before.

 

The point is almost every argument I see in here that starts with "that's not what I'm looking for" end up with "but I can't kill people". There are many ways to be evil and ruthless without killing. If you (any you) were willing to roleplay the murder knife in DA there is no reason why you can't roleplay evil in DAI. Inquisitor is as blank as he/she gets and can be anything you want them to be.  You are given an opportunity to define "evil" beyond simple killing in game.

 

(and all those who want to kill innocent, like I said, just send the village girl to Wardens, if you want it so much)

I never said, that I only wanted to be able to just kill people. I said, that I want to be able to reason various choices with "evil," "selfish" or "ruthless" goals. I do find him blank, but only in a bland way, and is not at all free to be what I want him to. It's not just obvious in choices, but also in dialogue. I'm way too ncie sounding, and good-intentioned. 

[Steppenwolf]

I really have no idea why people think they should even be able to play an evil character in games like this. The stated goal of your hero is to save the world. I can understand wanting to play an a-hole. I've done that several times in Dragon Age games. But to expect to be able to be an evil character is silly. Just as silly as the evil things the Warden could do in Origins, in fact.

[abisha]

this game is bitter sweat, most evil thing passable is making a mage tranquil.

Disney even have more evil then this.

 

hooooow boring, in DA:O i kicked a guy in Lava for being "possessed" that's much cooler.

[ThreeF]

I never said, that I only wanted to be able to just kill people. I said, that I want to be able to reason various choices with "evil," "selfish" or "ruthless" goals. I do find him blank, but only in a bland way, and is not at all free to be what I want him to. It's not just obvious in choices, but also in dialogue. I'm way too ncie sounding, and good-intentioned.

 

I was not referring to you in particular.  The possibility to roleplay as evil is there and you can use it within the scope of the game, it has nothing to do with dialogue options it has everything to do with motive and reasoning you create for your character, but I think there is no point to go into the circular discussion about it again, am I wrong?

[Sekondar]

I was not referring to you in particular. The possibility to roleplay as evil is there and you can use it within the scope of the game, it has nothing to do with dialogue options it has everything to do with motive and reasoning you create for your character, but I think there is no point to go into the circular discussion about it again, am I wrong?

You did say something along the lines of "All of you," which includes me, no?
And no, you're not wrong. You won't convince me, I won't convince me, and I guess that's the way it is. Cheers for taking the time to discuss, anyhow.

[Sekondar]

I really have no idea why people think they should even be able to play an evil character in games like this. The stated goal of your hero is to save the world. I can understand wanting to play an a-hole. I've done that several times in Dragon Age games. But to expect to be able to be an evil character is silly. Just as silly as the evil things the Warden could do in Origins, in fact.

Because it's a roleplaying game, and the previous games allowed me to, why shouldn't I expect it? And it was advertised with lines such as "Will you save the World, or lead it into chaos," which warrants some sort of expectation for the possibility.

[JackPoint]

Because it's a roleplaying game, and the previous games allowed me to, why shouldn't I expect it? And it was advertised with lines such as "Will you save the World, or lead it into chaos," which warrants some sort of expectation for the possibility.

Oh i dunno, having a half assed party of wicked grace - Citadel party is role play right? Thats content right thar..

[Vilegrim]

You kinda can be if you conscript the Mages/Templars, exile the Wardens, and blackmail the leader of Orlais into working for you.

 

 

If you tortured the opposing faction to death, hunting them and their families to extinction, then you would be hardened and ruthless, leave no live enemy, nor a child to avenge them. 

[ThreeF]

You did say something along the lines of "All of you," which includes me, no?

Erm, I didn't? Unless you mean the "all of you who were able to roleplay in previous games, should be able to roleplay in DAI" part? But that had nothing to with anyone just being able to kill people, only with the ability to roleplay? Ah, whatever! I suppose at this point in doesn't matter *shrugs*

[KainD]

One thing that is really sad is that bioware actually put the salt on the wound in the templar quest. There was this envy demon and it showed how it would run the Inquisition, and that was exactly how I would personally run it, but we had no such option and could only tell the demon how it was wrong. Really, really sad quest, made me turn off the game for a few hours.

[JackPoint]

One thing that is really sad is that bioware actually put the salt on the wound in the templar quest. There was this envy demon and it showed how it would run the Inquisition, and that was exactly how I would personally run it, but we had no such option and could only tell the demon how it was wrong. Really, really sad quest, made me turn off the game for a few hours.

Mainly the reason i took mages as slaves on my 2nd pt, lol

[Sekondar]

One thing that is really sad is that bioware actually put the salt on the wound in the templar quest. There was this envy demon and it showed how it would run the Inquisition, and that was exactly how I would personally run it, but we had no such option and could only tell the demon how it was wrong. Really, really sad quest, made me turn off the game for a few hours.

Only played through the mage one, so I didn't know. That does sound sad. Cba to do a second playthrough, since I don't feel like there's enough variation possible, so it will be a long while, before I get to see that quest.

[stonerbishop]

this game is bitter sweat

Sweat indeed. In origins s, I could make a deal with kolgrim, defile the sacred ashes, kill lelianna, then go back to kolgrim and kill him too. Why? Why not! Then I can go back in the temple and throw a knife into the back of genitivis head because why not.

Yes the is what I want. I want chaotic evil

This is after I murder a possessed kid in front of his bawling mother because it was just easier. God I hate isolde

[JackPoint]

Sweat indeed. In origins s, I could make a deal with kolgrim, defile the sacred ashes, kill lelianna, then go back to kolgrim and kill him too. Why? Why not! Then I can go back in the temple and throw a knife into the back of genitivis head because why not.

Yes the is what I want. I want chaotic evil

similar to my PT, and you know what, booware ruined it by resurrecting Leliana in dai for some lame reason, therefor negating all my evil doers deeds..

[stonerbishop]

I really have no idea why people think they should even be able to play an evil character in games like this. The stated goal of your hero is to save the world. I can understand wanting to play an a-hole. I've done that several times in Dragon Age games. But to expect to be able to be an evil character is silly. Just as silly as the evil things the Warden could do in Origins, in fact.

We want to because we could, and still save the world in origins. Silly or not, it was fun

[stonerbishop]

similar to my PT, and you know what, booware ruined it by resurrecting Leliana in dai for some lame reason, therefor negating all my evil doers deeds..

Yeah, need to make a .gif with her corpse decomposing into bones/blood that says "just a flesh wound. DA:I"

[omgodzilla]

Curious to see if I speak for more than myself when I say that I wanted to be Hardened Leliana.

 

YES!

[omgodzilla]

this game is bitter sweat, most evil thing passable is making a mage tranquil.

Disney even have more evil then this.

 

hooooow boring, in DA:O i kicked a guy in Lava for being "possessed" that's much cooler.

 

And the tranquility option has that stupid restriction where only mage inquisitors can do it. I wanted to do it on my warrior (I even had the arcane knowledge perk) but apparently even that is too controversial for BIoware... 

[stonerbishop]

And the tranquility option has that stupid restriction where only mage inquisitors can do it. I wanted to do it on my warrior (I even had the arcane knowledge perk) but apparently even that is too controversial for BIoware...

Yes, in origins and 2 you can act out the right of annulment whether they deserve it or not.