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[tmp7704]

But I'm not interested in messing anything for the lolz, that's what I've been saying. I can't express any devious motivations to, say, Solas, can I?

It doesn't need to be for the lulz, some of these choices (like sacrificing Bull's chargers to secure an alliance) can be seen as right in character for your inquisitor who's only interested in gaining power. And while not outright spelling "I'm evil" you can admit in more than one conversation that you're seeing the inquisition as just means for you to become a powerful force to be reckoned with.

[rigron]

And it can't be men, who mades this decision?

 

Considering David Gaider´s blog and taking as example past Bioware works without having EA who´s trying to clean its "Worst Company in the World" reputation with, amongs other things, being marketed towards a supposedly more equitative representation of men and women in their, I honestly doubt it.

 

But again, for the third time in this threat: the important part of my message is that Dragon Age Inquisition imposes a moral on the player that was not present in earlier Bioware works. The most "evil" choice I have seen in the entire game is making a deal with Imshael, and it´s not even half the evil it was making a deal with any other demon of past Dragon Ages. The rest of the supposedly "evil" choices of DA:I are not evil by any means, if any they are rude.

[Aimi]

A lot of what you listed is either a war crime or a crime against humanity. There have been world leaders who have been tried for those crimes.

I think it's actually fairly monstrous and distasteful for BioWare games to so frequently include the possibility of personally roleplaying characters that commit massacres, genocide, war crimes, and irreparable cultural vandalism. Off all the quarians? SURE WHY NOT. Wanna slaughter an entire clan of elves? WEREWOLVES ARE COOLER ANYWAY.

But apparently since I'm a woman it's only expected that I might talk about something pointless like morality.

[Precursor Meta]

Whoa, slow down sea biscuit. As much as I'd love to see the inquisition become a tyranical movement that destroys everything in its path, you can't sadly. Bioware simply didn't design the story from that standpoint.

The evilest think I've done in the game was punch Solas lol. I think the story makes the most sense if you role play as a goodie two shoes human noble warrior that believes in the maker and romances Cassandra.

Maybe one day bioware will make a story that truly centers around us and our choices. Even the downright evil and despicable ones.

[Elhanan]

@ OP - Evil does not have to mean honestly stupid when selecting dialogue; focus on the manipulative part of that description and you may have a winner. Choose the dialogue that you believe the other person wishes to hear, or will yield the best result for your plans on Thedian domination. At least, this is how I play the part with my Evil canon Magi. While they may actually choose the same dialogue as Paragon Inquisitors, the motives are far from the same.

[rigron]

See Sekondar? This is what I was talking about:

 

I think it's actually fairly monstrous and distasteful for BioWare games to so frequently include the possibility of personally roleplaying characters that commit massacres, genocide, war crimes, and irreparable cultural vandalism. Off all the quarians? SURE WHY NOT. Wanna slaughter an entire clan of elves? WEREWOLVES ARE COOLER ANYWAY.

But apparently since I'm a woman it's only expected that I might talk about something pointless like morality.

 

Play the videogame the way you want, but don´t mess up with my way of playing it. And yes, morality is POINTLESS, specially in a fictional work when no real life beings are hurt.

[tmp7704]

In spoiler, because this may deviate the thread purpose:
 

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So far none has charged any european or north american leader for the coup d´eta in Ukraine in 2014 whose consequences are a civil war

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That would be because the "coup" can be very easily just a product of Russian propaganda manufactured to muddle the picture of their own involvement in what's effectively armed invasion and annexation. Much better examples would be things like the ongoing drone strikes and such carried out all over the world, e.g. But this is hardly argument that these things are "grey". Evil going unpunished doesn't mean it's somehow less evil, merely that it's powerful enough no one is able to bring it to justice.

[JackPoint]

Save it, obviously. What's the point of ruling like an evil overlord if the world's fecked anyway ?

 

Unless you are roleplaying an evil overlord who is a bit dim, that is 

Unfortunately that role is taken by Corypheus:)

[In Exile]

In spoiler, because this may deviate the thread purpose:

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So far none has charged any european or north american leader for the coup d´eta in Ukraine in 2014 whose consequences are a civil war still ongoing so I don´t think Vilegrim affirmation is off: there are a lot of things that modern western nations do (like providing support for a coup d´eta in a first world democratic country for example) without none being charged of anything or ending in jail.



PS: And I am european

I'm also European (Eastern Europe) though my family left and moved to North America when I was quite young. In any event I do agree the point is more nuanced and that there are lots of geopolitical issues. My only point is that from a moral POV this is all considered evil, not grey.

[In Exile]

I think it's actually fairly monstrous and distasteful for BioWare games to so frequently include the possibility of personally roleplaying characters that commit massacres, genocide, war crimes, and irreparable cultural vandalism. Off all the quarians? SURE WHY NOT. Wanna slaughter an entire clan of elves? WEREWOLVES ARE COOLER ANYWAY.

But apparently since I'm a woman it's only expected that I might talk about something pointless like morality.

I'm with you on this point entirely (well other than being a woman). And I can't even begin to understand how that's a relevant point.

[Seraphim24]

Honestly you guys are making this pretty complicated... couldn't you argue, for instance, that the Inquisition, as currently constructed as evil? Most of the characters in them as evil? What if the question was turned around and it was, how am I supposed to be good?

 

It's a religious order, dedicated towards destruction and conversion, you are press ganged into service solely for your power to execute demons with a bunch of other pretty over the top warrior types. What distinguishes the Inquisition from the worst excesses of Christian history? The fact that the demons are so clearly delineated as monstrous? What makes them monstrous?

 

In Ys II, you got the ability to transform into a demon, and while talking to them you learned about their own plights, the fact that they were sometimes scared of death or you, or they had lost friends to some nameless warrior (your character). When the darkspawn were created as just kind of blandly malevolent you lose the ability to create these distinctions.

 

It's not about "we need a sarcastic option," it's more about reshaping viewpoints around the core ideas in the game, which is a much bigger project.

[Andrew Lucas]

You can't side with the baddie, if that's what you want. Every roleplaying game has a limit of how much you can control the PC and the world around him.


You're fighting the evil in DAI.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

yeah the "evil" Inquisitor is sadly a wimp compared to the evil Warden and evil Hawke

 

they took away the infamous murder knife we can't kill any companions or NPC's

 This was the biggest disappointment for me. At the very least if we can't kill a companion who won't shut the heck up, give us a renegade option to just punch them, soooo many times I wish that option existed for vivienne. Best I can do is just not recruit her, at least it spares me having to hear her say " my dear" for the 1200th time. I didn't expect to have an inquisitor who was chucking babies onto a bonfire or anything, but I would have liked the option to have a more ruthless inquisition, why do the templars get to punch the cleric in the val royeaux square? Why does vivienne get to run interference to the guest who starts talking crap AND reaches for a weapon to harm the PC, AND she gets to do the killing blow? Why does Mother Giselle, and Cassandra make it sound like you actually have a choice for good or ill how the inquisition is run? Why, when you accept the mantle of the inquisitor does saying "I'll do it for my own power" mean absolutely jack ship? Like a few other posters said, this is just an action adventure game, if it was presented like one, I would not have so many gripes, but it still holds itself up as being a choice driven rpg.

[Aimi]

See Sekondar? This is what I was talking about:
 
 
Play the videogame the way you want, but don´t mess up with my way of playing it. And yes, morality is POINTLESS, specially in a fictional work when no real life beings are hurt.

I didn't do s**t about the way you want to play a game. I think that being a misogynist, amoral creep is disgusting, and I'm willing to say so, and that's it. Go blame your inability to have a gross murderous power fantasy on somebody who actually has influence on the game, like Mark Darrah, Mike Laidlaw, Aaryn Flynn, or David Gaider.

[Sekondar]

"your mileage may vary", a regular disclaimer on the intrawebs

Thank you.

[Vox Draco]

I really wish Bioware would let us play a truly evil char next game from the start ... I can already see it:

 

Prologue: After char-creation we are in some kind of Origin-Story. we have multiple ways to approach this short Intro-story, and kill and steal and murder to our hearts delight and ... and at the end Bioware shows the evil-woreshippers a big ME3-approved middlefinger and has our char hanged for the committed crimes - Game Over Man! That's what you get for being a murderous criminal with chaotic evil alignment

 

Well, I would laugh at that so much ...

 

Seriously, DAI has no room in its story for being truly evil. I will however admit the scenes in the Templar-Mission with Envy impersonating the Quizzy in Dark Thedas were cool, but that would have made for a totally different outcome and story that would wreak havoc on the future titles of Dragon Age..

[Sekondar]

It doesn't need to be for the lulz, some of these choices (like sacrificing Bull's chargers to secure an alliance) can be seen as right in character for your inquisitor who's only interested in gaining power. And while not outright spelling "I'm evil" you can admit in more than one conversation that you're seeing the inquisition as just means for you to become a powerful force to be reckoned with.

Yeah, but I'm still apologizing to Bull afterwards.

[frostajulie]

It should have been possible to do many evil things afterall you represent the chantry.  Evil in the name of religious fanatacism is a thing!.  I want to execute the nonbelievers and crucify them  on the sides of the road leading from redliffe to the crossroads either the templars or the mages whoever I did not support or both if they attacked us.  I should be able to make tranquil any mages, or imprison templars in a room with demons for their evils against poor harrowed mages ****** for tat you know? Send out my chantry jihadists to kamikaze nonbelievers in my name, use my influence to get unwarrented perks, prostitutes and party buffs.  I want to be Evil Jesus that is what should have been possible, ruthlessly evil in the name of Andraste justified by precedent and doing what it takes to get the job done and be just enough of an evil jerk about it to feel giddy- insulated against repercussion by a cushion of fanatical faith.  Wasted.  Opportunity.

[Sekondar]

@ OP - Evil does not have to mean honestly stupid when selecting dialogue; focus on the manipulative part of that description and you may have a winner. Choose the dialogue that you believe the other person wishes to hear, or will yield the best result for your plans on Thedian domination. At least, this is how I play the part with my Evil canon Magi. While they may actually choose the same dialogue as Paragon Inquisitors, the motives are far from the same.

But headcanon.

[Ryzaki]

Uh...woman here who loves chaotic evil options.

 

Just wat.

 

I did feel the Quizzy was forced too much to be the hero archetype. But I'm not that bothered since DAI was a more heroic story from the jump.

 

Hopefully next game we can go back to the more somber tone of the previous games and my PC doesn't have to be stuck between good guy or good guy with an attitude problem.

[JackPoint]

Yeah, but I'm still apologizing to Bull afterwards.

Thats the thing, no matter what you do you still end up apologizing for your actions, when i'd rather say get a grip, they're just meat for the grinder.

[In Exile]

I didn't do s**t about the way you want to play a game. I think that being a misogynist, amoral creep is disgusting, and I'm willing to say so, and that's it. Go blame your inability to have a gross murderous power fantasy on somebody who actually has influence on the game, like Mark Darrah, Mike Laidlaw, Aaryn Flynn, or David Gaider.

I'm just going to have to derail the thread to emphatically state my approval outside of a like button.

[Sekondar]

See Sekondar? This is what I was talking about:


Play the videogame the way you want, but don´t mess up with my way of playing it. And yes, morality is POINTLESS, specially in a fictional work when no real life beings are hurt.

Yeah, but there are plenty of men who share this oppinion.

[Isaidlunch]

I think the companions being more or less untouchable (aside from Blackwall) is a big part of it. DA2 let you do some downright awful things to them e.g. letting Meredith kill Bethany, giving Fenris back to Danarius, giving Isabela to the Arishok. In DAI there's no reason not to be friends with them since the opportunity to screw them over for personal gain never comes up.

[In Exile]

Thats the thing, no matter what you do you still end up apologizing for your actions, when i'd rather say get a grip, they're just meat for the grinder.

That's because you're not a psycho. It's not normal to go up to Bull and say something like "You know how when we killed the dragon you said you'd think back on this moment with great respect while pleasuring yourself?"