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[Thargorichiban]

Ok, so first thing is first: I'm one of those people that value a potential alliance with the Qunari.

 

Though I also acknowledge that the chargers can do quite a lot of good for the Inquisition through their operation missions. So I figured out the best way through one playthrough how to maximize the Chargers potential for the Inquisition and then still get the Qunari to ally themselves with us.

 

It's pretty simple: you do all of the Chargers operation missions. They end after you've completed a couple after the Arbor Wilds. Before this you make sure not to initiate the Iron Bull's mission to the Sword Coast on behalf of the Qunari. That means you won't be able to talk to him in Skyhold individually until after the Arbor Wilds, but honestly he doesn't say too much anyway. He'll still appear in other cutscenes for you to interact with.

 

Then once the Chargers have no more operation missions complete the Bull's mission on the sword coast and sacrifice them. You'll then open up all of the operations with the Qunari and be able to do more good for the Inquisition and especially Ferelden.

 

I figure this is the best way of handling the sacrifice. Krem even mentions to you after the Arbor Wilds is finished only a small core of the Chargers is actually back at Skyhold to do any missions. That way when you are sacrificing them you're only actually killing a small amount of the actual mercenary company. For the greater good and all that.

 

Any thoughts on this method? It helps my head canon to figure this is how the sacrifice went down and why there were so few Chargers on that hill.

[Dabrikishaw]

It's just headcannon, so do what you feel is best.

[Laughing_Man]

That's just the thing, your "greater good" says that you should ally yourself with the Qunari.

 

My "greater good" says that allying with the Qunari is one of the most dangerous decisions you can make in DA:I.

[leaguer of one]

My greater good say that the qunari mucked things up when they insisted not to use the bulk of the inquistions forces and put my men in  unneeded danger just so they can see what I would do. For a group that's about wasting nothing it's sad them pointlessly waste something like that.

[Navasha]

Everyone handles things how they feel best.   To me the mission is clearly setup by the Qunari to test both the loyalty of their agent, and gauge how susceptible the Inquisition's leader is to manipulation.   

 

Since an alliance with an evil regime is already sketchy, I certainly have no desire to demonstrate my willingness to sacrifice my own people to their whims as well. 

[Thargorichiban]

Everyone handles things how they feel best.   To me the mission is clearly setup by the Qunari to test both the loyalty of their agent, and gauge how susceptible the Inquisition's leader is to manipulation.   

 

Since an alliance with an evil regime is already sketchy, I certainly have no desire to demonstrate my willingness to sacrifice my own people to their whims as well. 

 

I personally see the Qunari no less evil than the other nations of Thedas. All of them do questionable things, they've all been involved in wars, and they all have pros and cons to their societies.

 

What makes the alliance with the Qunari very interesting to me is the fact it is their first actual alliance that they've had in their history. They aren't known as a species or a nation for lying so I'm inclined to believe they're actually going to act with the Inquisition in good faith. At the very least they would break off the alliance before attacking us.

[In Exile]

I personally see the Qunari no less evil than the other nations of Thedas. All of them do questionable things, they've all been involved in wars, and they all have pros and cons to their societies.

 

What makes the alliance with the Qunari very interesting to me is the fact it is their first actual alliance that they've had in their history. They aren't known as a species or a nation for lying so I'm inclined to believe they're actually going to act with the Inquisition in good faith. At the very least they would break off the alliance before attacking us.

 

The Qunari don't understand an alliance in the same way, just like they don't understand a treaty in the same way. The Qun demands conquering Thedas? It gets conquered. 

[Merlik]

I really hope they polish that quest, and others, with some patches. It felt very half-ass. There should have at least been a, "let's go kill those guys" right after, instead of walking away.

[Hazegurl]

Everyone handles things how they feel best.   To me the mission is clearly setup by the Qunari to test both the loyalty of their agent, and gauge how susceptible the Inquisition's leader is to manipulation.   

 

Since an alliance with an evil regime is already sketchy, I certainly have no desire to demonstrate my willingness to sacrifice my own people to their whims as well. 

IMO, I think they've already gotten their anwser to that question the moment the IQ allowed IB to join.

[In Exile]

IMO, I think they've already gotten their anwser to that question the moment the IQ allowed IB to join.

 

I'm not sure I follow. 

[hong]

Look ppls, if HITLER could ally with STALIN to conquer the world, then there should be nothing stopping you getting into bed with the Qun.

[RobRam10]

Do not speak Qun

Do not trust Qun

Kill Qun

[Thargorichiban]

 

Do not speak Qun

Do not trust Qun

Kill Qun

 

 

An unbiased post from somebody that has in their signature: "Pro-Tevinter Forever."

[renfrees]

The Venatori set up a red lyrium smuggling operation along the Storm Coast, planning on transporting red lyrium to Minrathous to convert the Imperium's slaves into an unstoppable army to turn the tide in the ongoing Tevinter-Qunari war for Seheron.

 

You sacrifice few mercenaries, or doom countless slaves to the fate worse than death. Which is worse? Oh, leaving few mercs ofc.

[In Exile]

The Venatori set up a red lyrium smuggling operation along the Storm Coast, planning on transporting red lyrium to Minrathous to convert the Imperium's slaves into an unstoppable army to turn the tide in the ongoing Tevinter-Qunari war for Seheron.

 

You sacrifice few mercenaries, or doom countless slaves to the fate worse than death. Which is worse? Oh, leaving few mercs ofc.

 

It's not entirely clear how this is bad for the Inquisition, assuming you stop Corypheus. 

[LobselVith8]

I personally see the Qunari no less evil than the other nations of Thedas. All of them do questionable things, they've all been involved in wars, and they all have pros and cons to their societies.

 

What makes the alliance with the Qunari very interesting to me is the fact it is their first actual alliance that they've had in their history. They aren't known as a species or a nation for lying so I'm inclined to believe they're actually going to act with the Inquisition in good faith. At the very least they would break off the alliance before attacking us.

 

Supporting the alliance leads the Qunari to reconsider their stances on non-Qunari groups and alliances in general, if the Inquisition demonstrates itself as a valuable ally. Tallis mentions that the Qunari consider making the entire Inquisition Basalit-an, which seems to be rather unique and unprecedented in their history. If I recall correctly, the Qunari even contemplate recruiting the Inquisitor for the Ben-Hassrath. There's also the issue of saving Denerim (and the ruler of Ferelden) from a Venatori attack.

[Nefla]

The Venatori set up a red lyrium smuggling operation along the Storm Coast, planning on transporting red lyrium to Minrathous to convert the Imperium's slaves into an unstoppable army to turn the tide in the ongoing Tevinter-Qunari war for Seheron.
 
You sacrifice few mercenaries, or doom countless slaves to the fate worse than death. Which is worse? Oh, leaving few mercs ofc.

which would you care more about, reading a footnote in a newspaper about a village of people in a country you've never heard of being killed by a hurricane or your mom getting hit by a car and dying in front of you? Not to mention that un named village contains real people vs a game where a footnote is just a footnote.

[leaguer of one]

The Venatori set up a red lyrium smuggling operation along the Storm Coast, planning on transporting red lyrium to Minrathous to convert the Imperium's slaves into an unstoppable army to turn the tide in the ongoing Tevinter-Qunari war for Seheron.

 

You sacrifice few mercenaries, or doom countless slaves to the fate worse than death. Which is worse? Oh, leaving few mercs ofc.

IT WOULD ALSO BE STOPPED IF THE QUN LET THE INQUISITION USE THEIR  FULL FORCES.

 

Sorry, that's the qun's muck up.

[MrMrPendragon]

That's sort of looking at it as a game element. Narrative-wise, it still comes down to Qunari vs Chargers. Bioware isn't going to bother how many operations you did. Doing two operations will most likely have the same result as doing 5.

 

They'll just pass it as "Inquisitor did stuff with chargers bla bla bla - in the end, which side did he support?". That's narrative.

 

The way I see it, if Bull is TalVashoth, he'd have more reason to share intelligence with me, if the need ever arises. Let's say the Qunari is a threat to everyone at some point, well right now, the Inquisition is pretty much the guardian of Thedas. The Qunari and Inquisitor will cross paths when that time comes, and whatever alliance you had with the Qunari, it ends there. But, if you got Iron Bull on your side, a guy who will back you over backing his own people, then what he knows about the Qunari could be very useful.

 

That's my headcanon. I just see the Qunari invasion as something that's going to happen eventually. It's best to prepare now.

[Hurbster]

The whole quest is silly. You could easily do both tasks but you can't because of reasons.

[ThreeF]

Supporting the alliance leads the Qunari to reconsider their stances on non-Qunari groups and alliances in general, if the Inquisition demonstrates itself as a valuable ally. Tallis mentions that the Qunari consider making the entire Inquisition Basalit-an, which seems to be rather unique and unprecedented in their history. If I recall correctly, the Qunari even contemplate recruiting the Inquisitor for the Ben-Hassrath. There's also the issue of saving Denerim (and the ruler of Ferelden) from a Venatori attack.

Yay, working as a spy for the Qunari, life dream accomplished

 

There is no Venatori attack on Denerim if you save the Charges, btw, not a whisper of it afaik.

[In Exile]

The whole quest is silly. You could easily do both tasks but you can't because of reasons.

The reason is that the qunari are against it. This is a test of loyalty - for you and for the IB. Will you sacrifice your men for their sake?

[Amorl]

An alliance with the Qunari works both way, not only are they allied with us and sharing both resources and intelligence with us but will ask us for resources,and Intelligence for THEIR ends.  I don't know their ends, outside of Coryfish and stabilizing Thedas (my Quizzy's ends) I do not know where we mesh.

 

Next the way they handled this alliance makes me deeply mistrust them.  They show up share this plan and tell me to execute it to THEIR satisfaction with no input to it from me.  THEIR plan put me in a choice to either surrender my assets (and friends) or THEIR asset.  If I have any problems with any of this THEY make it clear, Their way or the highway.

 

When I choose my assets and my plans over theirs not only do they destroy the alliance (always bad politics forcing a binary ultimatum) but then send assassins against one of my lieutenants in MY CASTLE.  Last time someone attacked me in my stronghold I buried his army under snow, dismantled his organization sentenced his lieutenants to death and sent him packing to the fade.  They want a war I am more than happy to oblige.

[Serza]

"greater good"

 

Sera Greatly Disapproves

Serza doesn't even consider Disapproving and just goes for his daggers

[TheGlen]

Never liked that one.

 

Inquisitor the chargers are being flanked, your only options are let them be over run or sacrifice the qun ships.  Choose now.

Or I could signal to Harding to commit the reserves I had trail us. 

Well, yeah you could do that but where's the dramatic choice then?

Filed right after 'basic military tactics' in my to do list.  Harding, send in the second wave.