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[Suledin]

I was surprised that leliana forgave me for that indiscretion as necessary or even if I married the queen and kept her on the side -might have been modded for that one - but that was the level of character detail in DAO.  Sorely missing in DA3 in any form.

 

Varric said that Cory must have used some old tevinter magic and Solas says that the tevinter mages stole elven magic (DA1 werewolf quest: remember the soul stones or crystals in the elven ruins the Arcane warrior?) Varric also thinks it could be a darkspawn effect, but discounts it w/o a blight.  We know sharing your soul with a demon or dragon works for Flemeth et.al.  In DA2 Flemeth sent a portion of her soul with Hawke and that seems old elven magic.

All Tevinter magic is based on elven magic. Whatever he uses to jump to other tainted creatures comes from the Blight itself or magic. Elven magic.

And it's also possible that Mythal speaks the calling. If you reverse all the words that you get to hear after drinking from the well as the Inquisitor, they say that she speaks the calling.  Perhaps Blight and ancient elven magic are connected.  

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Perhaps we should get here David Gaider...I got no patient anymore. 

All his abilities that comes from the Blight were gained after entering the Black City. He was the first darkspawn it makes him somehow a special darkspawn. 

I ... er... somewhat appreciate your efforts, but declaring something like that doesn't help. I'll look into it, but i need sources!..

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

All Tevinter magic is based on elven magic. Whatever he uses to jump to other tainted creatures comes from the Blight itself or magic. Elven magic.

And it's also possible Mythal that speaks the calling. Perhaps Blight and ancient elven magic are connected.  

 

And perhaps Varric is beyond all this. You know, fella lacked a story for his next book, so...

[Suledin]

And perhaps Varric is beyond all this. You know, fella lacked a story for his next book, so...

It' just what the voices say if you drink from the well, that she speaks the calling. And it's all true that Tevinter magic is based on elven magic. Anyway good luck with getting all the sources.  

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

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I see. There's no statement she can do it tho, but your point is taken.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

It' just what the voices say if you drink from the well, that she speaks the calling. And it's all true that Tevinter magic is based on elven magic. Anyway good luck with getting all the sources.  

I drank from the well and I've heard nothing recognizeable. At least nothing I can recall in English.

[Suledin]

I drank from the well and I've heard nothing recognizeable. At least nothing I can recall in English.

because you need to reverse it then you'll understand.  

[DaemionMoadrin]

I drank from the well and I've heard nothing recognizeable. At least nothing I can recall in English.

 

It's something like "she calls to you", it has nothing to do with the Calling.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

It's something like "she calls to you", it has nothing to do with the Calling.

Ofc it doesn't what a nonsence... Calling is when a tainted person starts hearing the same stuff common darkspawn do. It's in the taint. Inquisior doesn't get tainted so it's just a speculation of our Suledin friend here.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Allright, it's pure BS.

Corypheus is being transferred after death to the Grey Warden puppet he controls. The only guaranteed tainted creature around.

 

Then Morrigan states that the dragon or Corypheus IS Archdemon if she drank from the well. My stakes are on Corypheus, as the dragon is only a part of him.

 

How is it even ****** connected? We weren't facing a Blight!

How does anything of this make sense?!

[Rawgrim]

An oversight by Bioware? Or possible a huge blooper.

[phaonica]

Different characters in the game seem to have different ideas about whether Corypheus' dragon is an archdemon or not. Before, we were told that an "archdemon" specifically is one of the dragons that holds an old god soul imprisoned underground and blighted by darkspawn. By that definition, whoever in the game refers to Corypheus' dragon as an archdemon (such as Morrigan) is incorrect. Someone (I want to say it was Solas) suggests that the dragon is not an Archdemon, but a regular dragon shaped into the image of an archdemon in homage to Dumat.

 

If the dragon were actually an archdemon, 1) yes, you'd expect there to be a blight around, and 2) Morrigan and/or Flemeth would be looking for someone to bang so that they could get it's old god soul when it died

 

Or our definition of archdemon is incomplete.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Different characters in the game seem to have different ideas about whether Corypheus' dragon is an archdemon or not. Before, we were told that an "archdemon" specifically is one of the dragons that holds an old god soul imprisoned underground and blighted by darkspawn. By that definition, whoever in the game refers to Corypheus' dragon as an archdemon (such as Morrigan) is incorrect. Someone (I want to say it was Solas) suggests that the dragon is not an Archdemon, but a regular dragon shaped into the image of an archdemon in homage to Dumat.

 

Morrigan got the Well of Sorrows, that is a cumulated elven experience throughout the known history - straight to the times of before the First Blight.

More to it - she was somehow taught my Mythal to tame that Mythal dragon. It's in the video.

 

Solas/Fen'Harel lied to us in a huge number of times, while Morrigan has no reason to do so at the moment.

 

MAH!

It's not the dragon that resurrects, right? It's Cory.
So if Cory travels through the taint to the nearest darkspawn it's exactly what was said about AD. Morrigan after the Well refers to that sweet pair as an AD.

 

Why Wardens couldn't kill him?

Why we were continuosly told we aren't facing a Blight?!

How do we ****** kill it without a Warden or banging Morrigan?!?

[SongstressKitsune]

It's specifically stated in the game that the dragon is not an Archdemon. Or at least it is if you drink from the well. People continue to refer to it as "Corypheus's Archdemon" or "the Archdemon" but I think that's just in-character shorthand because it looks like one.

 

My theory is that Corypheus happens to share the Archdemon's body-hop ability because he is one of the first Darkspawn and is an Awakened one/still remembers all his magic. The dragon is not in some way the key to his immortality but it is the key to his death - killing it weakened him enough that he could no longer body hop and there was no one tainted aorund for him to hop to.

 

The lack of a Blight has nothing to do with anything because neither Corypheus nor his dragon are an Archdemon; neither of them can create the Blight. Corypheus just happens to share an ability with one.

 

You've created a false bit of logic where ability to body hop MUST necessarily = archdemon which therefore MUST = a Blight and that is not the case.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

It's specifically stated in the game that the dragon is not an Archdemon. Or at least it is if you drink from the well. People continue to refer to it as "Corypheus's Archdemon" or "the Archdemon" but I think that's just in-character shorthand because it looks like one.

 

My theory is that Corypheus happens to share the Archdemon's body-hop ability because he is one of the first Darkspawn and is an Awakened one/still remembers all his magic. The dragon is not in some way the key to his immortality but it is the key to his death - killing it weakened him enough that he could no longer body hop and there was no one tainted aorund for him to hop to.

 

Morrigan states that as 'I can match the Archdemon's power when the time comes'. Period.
And that's after using Well of Sorrows + being taught by Mythal of taming the Mythal dragon. It isn't just a random speculation.

[SongstressKitsune]

Morrigan states that as 'I can match the Archdemon's power when the time comes'. Period.
And that's after using Well of Sorrows + being taught by Mythal of taming the Mythal dragon. It isn't just a random speculation.

But if you drink from the Well, the Inquisitor says that Corypheus's dragon is not a true Archdemon, merely a dragon imbued with Corypheus's power. Or maybe it wasn't the Inquisitor, someone definitely did, I played through the scene last night at about two in the morning so you'll forgive me for my memory being a little faulty.

 

Just because Morrigan calls it an Archdemon does not magically make it so. She's calling it that because everyone else has, so far.

[phaonica]

Morrigan got the Well of Sorrows, that is a cumulated elven experience throughout the known history - straight to the times of before the First Blight.

More to it - she was somehow taught my Mythal to tame that Mythal dragon. It's in the video.

 

Solas/Fen'Harel lied to us in a huge number of times, while Morrigan has no reason to do so at the moment.

 

MAH!

It's not the dragon that resurrects, right? It's Cory.
So if Cory travels through the taint to the nearest darkspawn it's exactly what was said about AD. Morrigan after the Well refers to that sweet pair as an AD.

 

Why Wardens couldn't kill him?

Why we were continuosly told we aren't facing a Blight?!

How do we ****** kill it without a Warden or banging Morrigan?!?

 

Yes, Morrigan got the Well of Sorrows, but it doesn't give her access to unlimited knowledge. It could have gaps.

And I'm not suggesting that Morrigan is lying, just using the word wrong.

Solas could be lying.

I think that Morrigan not being interested in trying to retrieve the old god soul is more telling that she might just be using the word wrong.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Er. People?
I'm not saying that huge dragon is AD. I'm saying that Cory is AD, which is logical as he transfers himself into any darkspawn around. Then his dragon isn't a true AD as he's just a part of Cory's.

 

And please Morrigan could have gaps, but it's not a chance that non-mage Inquisitior understands more than she does.

[phaonica]

I don't know. Why can't the power Corypheus uses to teleport just be entirely different from what an archdemon uses and have nothing to do with soul transfer destruction whatnot? Clearly some souls can share bodies with other souls.

[SongstressKitsune]

Saying Corypheus is an archdemon makes even less sense. Again, you're saying that just because he can body-hop like an archdemon, he MUST therefore be an archdemon, and there's nothing to indicate that. Corypheus is an ancient magister who has been turned into one of the first Darkspawn. There's no knowing what he's capable of. It's not so much a "plot hole" as something they didn't explain as clearly as they could have.

 

Sure, "because ancient magic" isn't perfect, but it does make sense.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I think we should get used to the fact that everyone in DA:I is an unreliable narrator.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Saying Corypheus is an archdemon makes even less sense. Again, you're saying that just because he can body-hop like an archdemon, he MUST therefore be an archdemon, and there's nothing to indicate that. Corypheus is an ancient magister who has been turned into one of the first Darkspawn. There's no knowing what he's capable of. It's not so much a "plot hole" as something they didn't explain as clearly as they could have.

 

Sure, "because ancient magic" isn't perfect, but it does make sense.

 

What? Whe~

 

No, I'm not saying that JUST because he can hop bodies. There's much more to it.

 

What is the 'Calling'?

It is an Old God emittance, that is targeting darkspawn and encourages them to seek the Old God to twist it into AD. http://dragonage.wik...ens#The_Calling

Allright, so it has to be the Old God to be emitting it. Cory uses it to trick Wardens of Orlais into that blood magic business. So he posesses the power of the Old God and is tainted.

 

My vote is for content that was cut in the production process.

 

It has to be something Corypheus leading a horde of Darkspawn somewhere as an AD, so that would be considered Blight. How did he end up like that? I'd say he visited the shrine of Dumat which is, by accident, present in Free Marches almost next to his prison. He could be indeed used by Dumat once more.

 

If it is something like that there's a 'vessel for the vessel' puzzle, but, uh, sometimes logic isn't easy.

[SongstressKitsune]

The Calling is explained as the Nightmare's work, not Corypheus's. It's not a real Calling, the Nightmare is just creating what the Wardens fear most.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

The Calling is explained as the Nightmare's work, not Corypheus's. It's not a real Calling, the Nightmare is just creating what the Wardens fear most.

Please link a video with this explanation.

[phaonica]

What? Whe~

 

No, I'm not saying that JUST because he can hop bodies. There's much more to it.

 

What is the 'Calling'?

It is an Old God emittance, that is targeting darkspawn and encourages them to seek the Old God to twist it into AD. http://dragonage.wik...ens#The_Calling

Allright, so it has to be the Old God to be emitting it. Cory uses it to trick Wardens of Orlais into that blood magic business. So he posesses the power of the Old God and is tainted.

 

My vote is for content that was cut in the production process.

 

It has to be something Corypheus leading a horde of Darkspawn somewhere as an AD, so that would be considered Blight. How did he end up like that? I'd say he visited the shrine of Dumat which is, by accident, present in Free Marches almost next to his prison. He could be indeed used by Dumat once more.

 

If it is something like that there's a 'vessel for the vessel' puzzle, but, uh, sometimes logic isn't easy.

 

The wikia entry that you linked also says:

 

(Spoilers for The Calling)

Spoiler

"Several Wardens, under Commander Genevieve, underwent a premature Calling early in the Dragon Age. Their Calling and subsequent physical taint—resembling a nasty rash— was caused by magical amulets designed to accelerate their taint"

 

Which suggests that the Calling can be imitated and/or initiated by magic other than that of the Archdemon.

 

Although, I did read The Calling and I don't remember it imitating the Calling, just accelerating the taint. But I'd have to read it again. I'm just going by what the wiki says.