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[Qunquistador]

/Seinfeld 

 

Can you guys touch on this in the next installment, since it's brought up in DA:I quite a bit? 

 

I get that marriage is chiefly important for nobles because politics, babies and bloodlines and all that jazz. But common folks without a pot to ****** in or a window to throw it out of also marry, yes? And what of elves, dwarves, and vashoth who aren't Andrastian or worship their own deities? What dictates their ideas about marriage and/or commitment?

 

Who ratifies their marriages? Do they even need to be ratified? I imagine most common people In Thedas simply exchange rings or what have you and call themselves married, rather than go to any expense or steps toward any sort of official recognition (who would care?).

 

And I gotta say, I think David Gaider's stance that same sex marriage isn't something that would occur to Thedosians is bogus and contradictory.

 

Personally, I wouldn't have even thought of the same sex marriage issue at all if DA:I wasn't littered with ss marriage references from actual Thedosians (aka the writers/developers). Did Gaider forget that the lady quiz can literally ask Sera if she wants to get married? Or that Josephine's sister will ask a lady quiz if she and her sister are going run away to get married in secret? 

 

As shallow as Skyrim's relationships are, I love the way they mirror the primitive and dangerous world of the game. When dragons are dropping out of the sky like flies and you can be killed any second, you're not going to be picky about relationships. So you wear an amulet that says you're available. Another available person notices said amulet and your ability to kill flying murder monsters and/or bandits for them. You agree to marry. You provide them with shelter and protection. They provide you with money and pie. 

 

Anyway, relationships are such a big part of Bioware games, it would be cool if you dealt with marriage more.

[Qunquistador]

A whole thread full of people whinging that Bioware took their precious purple demon areolas and whorehouses away, but I'm the only one interested in seeing more on marriage in DA? 

 

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[In Exile]

If exchanges of rings counts as marriage, does that mean a Warden who married Anora is a bigamist?

[Hazegurl]

I would have loved it if my PC could marry Dorian. Those poor nobles in the skyhold hall are still picking out their outfits for our big event.

 

And I wanted to see our hats, too!

[Sylvius the Mad]

It depends a lot on the setting. We tend to think of marriage as something acknowledged by some authority, but how local can that authority be? How earthbound need it be?

Historically, we've seen cultures where all two people need to do to marry is declare their intent to do so before their god. Or seek permission from a town elder. If TheThedas works like that, then anyone can marry for ant reason.

[Sarielle]

I'd be curious about more ins and outs, and prejudices and all that. (We know an elf can't marry a royal person, but is an elf marrying an average person also taboo? etc.)

[X Equestris]

Commoner marriages seem to be built a bit more on love than those of the nobility, from what little we've seen.

I'd be curious about more ins and outs, and prejudices and all that. (We know an elf can't marry a royal person, but is an elf marrying an average person also taboo? etc.)

Elf-human relationships do seem to be taboo, in the same way interracial relationships once were. You might be able to legally marry, but there's also a good chance of getting yourself run out of town.

[Qunquistador]

If exchanges of rings counts as marriage, does that mean a Warden who married Anora is a bigamist?

You mean the ring Morrigan gives a male warden? Does the warden actually give her one back and agree to marry her? If not, then it's really just a gift.

Vivienne gives the quiz a ring, too, as a token of her affection, but it's definitely not a marriage proposal.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I would love for the option to be able to marry. I made a thread about it a while back. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Who ratifies their marriages? Do they even need to be ratified? I imagine most common people In Thedas simply exchange rings or what have you and call themselves married, rather than go to any expense or steps toward any sort of official recognition (who would care?).

Well, in the City Elf origin in DAO a Chantry sister comes down to oversee the weddings, so chances are for Andrastian people to get married they go through the Chantry. 

 

The Dalish probably do something similar but the Keeper oversees it. 

 

The Dwarves probably get it recorded by the Shaperate. 

 

The Qun doesn't have marriage. 

[Feranel]

Guh, with how much Tevinter seems to like it's bureaucracy (according to exposition from Dorian about the "clerical" caste) I imagine marriage involves a lot of paperwork in Tevinter.  Ratifying bloodlines, verification of wealth, merging of assets both human, material, and immaterial...

[Qunquistador]

I'd be curious about more ins and outs, and prejudices and all that. (We know an elf can't marry a royal person, but is an elf marrying an average person also taboo? etc.)

I imagine an elf marrying a commoner human would be a taboo, but I can't see it being something that anyone could or would care to prevent. 

Commoner marriages seem to be built a bit more on love than those of the nobility, from what little we've seen.

It definitely comes across that way. 

 

We learn of several arranged marriages that are beneficial financially and politically but not wanted. There's that WT mission with the noble who you can push to marry another noble for the sake of nobility politics even though she loves another man. There's Bianca and the guy she married over Varric. There's Dorian who didn't want to marry the woman he was meant to. Then there's Josephine who gets engaged to another noble while she really wants to be with the quiz. We don't hear about Duke Bastien's wife, I don't think, but his relationship with Vivienne makes you assume that he cares for her more than he ever did his wife.

 

Otoh, we don't see any real benefit to commoners marrying. There's no push to do it either, so we're left to assume that it's love. 

[Iakus]

Well, in the City Elf origin in DAO a Chantry sister comes down to oversee the weddings, so chances are for Andrastian people to get married they go through the Chantry. 

 

The Dalish probably do something similar but the Keeper oversees it. 

 

The Dwarves probably get it recorded by the Shaperate. 

 

The Qun doesn't have marriage. 

Yeah.  And the city elf marriage was an arranged marriage as well.

 

It seems that among elves, both Dalish and city, the need to prevent inbreeding is a factor in getting married.  Possibly the dwarves too.  THough in their case status and family alliances also seems to be an issue (I imagine the Shaperate officiates those).

 

Edit @OP:  I seem to recall Josephine's sister asking if they were going to run off and become Grey Wardens, not get married.  Unless she says different things to different Inquisitors?  Mine was a male qunari warrior.

[saladinbob]

I've been saying this for a while now. Romance, and by extension Marriage, needs a context that isn't supplied in any game thus far. Look at Skyrim. Marriage is a gimmick, providing a minor bonus to you if you share the marital bed with your partner. From a game play stand point, it brings nothing of importance. The only way this could work is if it's part of the story and, as part of the story, played an important role in the development of not only the story but the characters involved. Otherwise, as with Skyrim, it simply becomes a gimmick.

[Qunquistador]

Well, in the City Elf origin in DAO a Chantry sister comes down to oversee the weddings, so chances are for Andrastian people to get married they go through the Chantry. 

 

The Dalish probably do something similar but the Keeper oversees it. 

 

The Dwarves probably get it recorded by the Shaperate. 

 

The Qun doesn't have marriage. 

I assume so with the chantry, but then that makes me wonder about the issues of interfaith marriage. It would be cool to learn more about that. Marriage doesn't interest me irl, funnily, but in-game I find the possibilities fascinating.

 

The Qunari would laugh at all of these questions and dismiss them as stupidity as they stop by their Qun!whorehouses for a quick pick me up.

I would love for the option to be able to marry. I made a thread about it a while back. 

 

I can see why marriage wasn't in this game, but the ability to at least propose would have made sense at the culmination of it. I mean, seeing as though it would be just another in a long line of promising cliffhangers for the future of the quiz and the inquisition.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I assume so with the chantry, but then that makes me wonder about the issues of interfaith marriage. It would be cool to learn more about that. Marriage doesn't interest me irl, funnily, but in-game I find the possibilities fascinating.

 

The Qunari would laugh at all of these questions and dismiss them as stupidity as they stop by their Qun!whorehouses for a quick pick me up.

 

I can see why marriage wasn't in this game, but the ability to at least propose would have made sense at the culmination of it. I mean, seeing as though it would be just another in a long line of promising cliffhangers for the future of the quiz and the inquisition.

For interracial marriages chances are the marriage would have to be a secular one. Perhaps someone in a position of authority in the area would be able to do that. 

 

The Qunari sex clinics are a retcon. Originally the Qun only had sex for procreation purposes. 

 

I can't see why it isn't other than Bioware didn't want to. 

[N7 Spectre525]

Been married before, I wouldn't subject my inquisitor to that kind of torture.

[Qunquistador]

Historically, we've seen cultures where all two people need to do to marry is declare their intent to do so before their god. Or seek permission from a town elder. If TheThedas works like that, then anyone can marry for ant reason.

This is the way I feel it should be handled. Logically it makes the most sense given how diverse and often chaotic Thedas is. Obviously an Avaar tribesman and an Orleasian noble are not going to approach commitment in the same manner, but they're equally valid in the respective cultures that they inhabit.

[Iakus]

I assume so with the chantry, but then that makes me wonder about the issues of interfaith marriage. It would be cool to learn more about that. Marriage doesn't interest me irl, funnily, but in-game I find the possibilities fascinating.

 

Faith in Thedas is a pretty serious matter.  Even if most or all of the gods are MIA.  An interfaith marriage would be...problematic....to say the least.

 

 

I can see why marriage wasn't in this game, but the ability to at least propose would have made sense at the culmination of it. I mean, seeing as though it would be just another in a long line of promising cliffhangers for the future of the quiz and the inquisition.

 

Agreed.  Especially if we're getting a new character each game, so said marriage wouldn't really interfere with the next game

 

Such as Leliana going off to be with her Warden for good

[actionhero112]

Ooh yes. And make some of the companions refuse too, based on their personalities. 

 

Let's be honest, marriage isn't for everyone. It doesn't make sense for characters like Morrigan, Zevran or Isabella to accept a marriage proposal and I think it would give the characters more depth as well. 

[Qunquistador]

I've been saying this for a while now. Romance, and by extension Marriage, needs a context that isn't supplied in any game thus far. Look at Skyrim. Marriage is a gimmick, providing a minor bonus to you if you share the marital bed with your partner. From a game play stand point, it brings nothing of importance. The only way this could work is if it's part of the story and, as part of the story, played an important role in the development of not only the story but the characters involved. Otherwise, as with Skyrim, it simply becomes a gimmick.

See, I always felt like marriage and kids were tossed into Skyrim to address the complaint that the world had no soul. Funny thing is, the actual world of Skyrim (the landscape, weather, and so on) gave it more feeling than those additions ever could. So while I like the casual way it's handled, I realize that it's purely decorative and serves no real purpose or point in the overall story. There's no consequence or concern once you have a family, they're just there and that kinda sucks for those wanting more.

 

That's not something I would want or expect from Bioware. I agree that it should be woven into the story (relationships in general should be more integral to the plot rather than fluffy side quests) . I don't see where marriage would have fit in the storyline we had, but I can see it being used as an important plot point in the future.  

[Iakus]

Ooh yes. And make some of the companions refuse too, based on their personalities. 

 

Let's be honest, marriage isn't for everyone. It doesn't make sense for characters like Morrigan, Zevran or Isabella to accept a marriage proposal and I think it would give the characters more depth as well. 

Sure.  It would help differentiate the different LIs and romance paths.

[themikefest]

Ooh yes. And make some of the companions refuse too, based on their personalities. 

 

Let's be honest, marriage isn't for everyone. It doesn't make sense for characters like Morrigan, Zevran or Isabella to accept a marriage proposal and I think it would give the characters more depth as well. 

True.  I would like to see the look on the face of the love interest when asked and if he/she refuses, see the look on the main character

[Qunquistador]

 

I can't see why it isn't other than Bioware didn't want to. 

Namely, time and money. Even things like the final battle seemed rushed. So imagine if they tried to wedge a wedding in there. Also, the quiz has known everyone for what, eight months? And depending on your LI, you've been dating for about four or five of those months? It's kind of too soon to be getting hitched. 

 

Of course there could have been a shotgun wedding/cut scene before quiz goes off on the last mission, but I agree with the poster who said it should be integral to the plot as opposed to something rushed that has no consequence.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Namely, time and money. Even things like the final battle seemed rushed. So imagine if they tried to wedge a wedding in there. Also, the quiz has known everyone for what, eight months? And depending on your LI, you've been dating for about four or five of those months? It's kind of too soon to be getting hitched. 

 

Of course there could have been a shotgun wedding/cut scene before quiz goes off on the last mission, but I agree with the poster who said it should be integral to the plot as opposed to something rushed that has no consequence.

Romances will never be integral to the main plot. They will always just be optional side content. So by that criteria, it will never be put into their games.