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[TheOgre]

Josephine is the best romance Bioware has made so far, so shh. 

 

Dueling for her affection? That was cool! I'll give it that.. But the reward!? Come now!

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Dueling for her affection? That was cool! I'll give it that.. But the reward!? Come now!

Duelling was lame. I was tearing dragon in halves 10 minutes prior to that and still was holding rapier like it was my first time.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah... Someone at her position should know more... about positions, if you see what I mean.

I see what you mean, but I disagree with what you mean. 

 

Dueling for her affection? That was cool! I'll give it that.. But the reward!? Come now!

The reward was being able to be with the person they both care about. 

 

If you mean no sex scene when you think there should have been as a reward, the fact there isn't is a positive in my book. 

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Okay let's sum up Josie. Only thing that is good in her romance is her personality, which is draftly described in a few cutscenes and dialogues.

[TheOgre]

Let's just have disney relationships with the marriage in the next game, it'll really kill two birds with one stone! 

 

Cheap romance option

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Let's just have disney relationships with the marriage in the next game, it'll really kill two birds with one stone! 

 

Cheap romance option

Disney relationships must have awesome singing and dancing. We didn't get that, you know.

[Qunquistador]

Last I counted there are 2.5 topics for people who feel victimized because Josephine didn't put out/can't work out how to play the Witcher for their pixelated booty fix.

 

This isn't one of them, though. Just a heads up! 

[Undead Han]

I think one thing that might be interesting for Bioware to explore, at least for characters from a human noble origin, is having an in-game LI interfere with an arranged marriage to another noble house, with perhaps deadly consequences. Maybe even have the human noble already wed at the start of the game.

 

Given that arranged marriages, often for political reasons, are the norm with the nobility...why not have that factor into the storylines for characters from that origin?

[Qunquistador]

I would like to see some form of marriage too. Alas, bioware seems to prefer non-commital relationships.

 

Also...

 

Mother Giselle would have done a bang up impression of this dude.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Last I counted there are 2.5 topics for people who feel victimized because Josephine didn't put out/can't work out how to play the Witcher for their pixelated booty fix.

 

This isn't one of them, though. Just a heads up! 

Nah we don't need boobs to see. We want mature romance.

Watching the fire with a cup of gluhwine scene? Something romantic like a ball @Skyhold Josie was talking about? Dancing lessons? More Josie's story to those who romance her? Come on!

[Hazegurl]

You mean the ring Morrigan gives a male warden? Does the warden actually give her one back and agree to marry her? If not, then it's really just a gift.

Vivienne gives the quiz a ring, too, as a token of her affection, but it's definitely not a marriage proposal.

I actually disagree. My Warden kept Morrigan's ring, the ring was mentioned during witch hunt (which he had on still), and in DAI they are pretty much a married couple.  He went into the mirror with her and they lived together raising their son. If that's not a marriage then idk what is. 

[Lord Surinen]

Yes, arranged marriage with a straight female elf is the thing that must get into next DA.

[Frenrihr]

Or at least an engagement, which could be done without extra dev time (no wedding scene). I think it could add an extra layer to romances, with their "yes" or "no" another way to flesh out characters.

 

 

 

It's only torture if you pick the wrong one.

 

 

Typical NAWALT.

[nightscrawl]

I would like to see some form of marriage too. Alas, bioware seems to prefer non-commital relationships.

 
 

Hey now.  Not married =/= not committed to one another.  Just ask Leliana how committed she is to her Warden.   

Yes, thank you.

You don't have to be married to be in a committed relationship. Just ask all of the decades-together same-sex couples that were only able to get married recently, or those who still can't get married, about that.

[Il Divo]

Dueling for her affection? That was cool! I'll give it that.. But the reward!? Come now!

 

I liked the idea of dueling for her, but I wish the event itself was more dramatic. The entire endeavor felt a little too light-hearted for me. 

[saladinbob]

See, I always felt like marriage and kids were tossed into Skyrim to address the complaint that the world had no soul. Funny thing is, the actual world of Skyrim (the landscape, weather, and so on) gave it more feeling than those additions ever could. So while I like the casual way it's handled, I realize that it's purely decorative and serves no real purpose or point in the overall story. There's no consequence or concern once you have a family, they're just there and that kinda sucks for those wanting more.

 

That's not something I would want or expect from Bioware. I agree that it should be woven into the story (relationships in general should be more integral to the plot rather than fluffy side quests) . I don't see where marriage would have fit in the storyline we had, but I can see it being used as an important plot point in the future.  

 

 

It's more than that though. In Skyrim, does marrying and adopting kids affect your game in any meaningful way to the way it's played by not marrying and adopting them? Does it provide you with any Narrative or Gameplay reason to marry? To be anything other than a gimmick both have to go hand in hand. The context needs to be woven in to the story but this is a game, not a book so it has to have an effect on the way you play the game.

 

When viewed over the course of the trilogy, Mass Effect handled romance pretty well from a narrative perspective that has a limited effect on your gameplay. If you romance Ashley or Kaiden, depending upon your sex, you have to make a life and death decision that clearly influences the conclusion you come to, not just as the character but as the player. Then in ME2 they switch out the cast and bring in a mostly new set of characters with a new set of romance options whilst continuing the romance from the previous game. Romance Ashley or Kaiden in ME1 and you have to deal with the fallout of Shepard's decision to work with Cerberus, a fallout that spills over in to the third game. Romance Liara and come the second game you're in a long distance relationship and all the problems associated with that. Regardless of your choices, do you then pursue a relationship with one of the new romance options or do you stay faithful to who you where involved in the first game. Then ME3 comes along and once again mixes things up, restores many of the first game's cast and reduces the second game's to a support role. If you cheated on your partner in the second game, who do you choose in the third?

 

The problem for Dragon Age is it isn't a trilogy. It's a set of unique stories set in the same world which makes romance in it all the harder to get right. If you romanced material girls Leliana or Morrigan in the first game you get references to it in the second and third but nothing that changes the narrative let alone the way you approach or play the game. If you romanced one of the male characters it's not mentioned at all because it has no bearing on the individual story. Dragon age is more akin to Conan than Lord of the Rings or Star Wars. It's too late for Inquisition, which handles Romance worse than any previous Bioware title, reducing it to nothing more than titillation with gratuitous flashes of skin here without providing any meaningful choices. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not against sex scenes in games, I'm just against them being in for their own sake. Romances in Inquisition are less about romance and more about getting laid which is fine if the story reflected that but the story promptly drops it as if it never existed in the first place. 

 

It's too late for Inquisition now, it's gone too far, made too many mistakes with its story for Marriage to ever be handled in any meaningful way but with ME4 up next and the new IP coming out of Bioware, hopefully we have a chance for them to get this right before the next Dragon Age game.

[Sarielle]

Typical NAWALT.

 

I had to look this up. Who says marriage can only be torture for men? Criminy. I was talking from my perspective, lol. 

 

It's too late for Inquisition, which handles Romance worse than any previous Bioware title, reducing it to nothing more than titillation with gratuitous flashes of skin here without providing any meaningful choices.

 

See, I thought it was the best they'd done from the perspective of feeling like there was actually a relationship going on. Even small things like an embrace before your big victory wave was more than you typically got in Dragon Age (or maybe I just do too many unhappy endings, lol). To me, it felt like there was more to it outside of the sexytimes scene, even if it didn't have big story impact in many cases.

[Uccio]

I've been saying this for a while now. Romance, and by extension Marriage, needs a context that isn't supplied in any game thus far. Look at Skyrim. Marriage is a gimmick, providing a minor bonus to you if you share the marital bed with your partner. From a game play stand point, it brings nothing of importance. The only way this could work is if it's part of the story and, as part of the story, played an important role in the development of not only the story but the characters involved. Otherwise, as with Skyrim, it simply becomes a gimmick.

 

I think that would be the best. It affects the story and brings changes but for those who do not want it the story has its own arc preserved.

[Hazegurl]

Romances in Inquisition are less about romance and more about getting laid which is fine if the story reflected that but the story promptly drops it as if it never existed in the first place. 

 

It's too late for Inquisition now, it's gone too far, made too many mistakes with its story for Marriage to ever be handled in any meaningful way but with ME4 up next and the new IP coming out of Bioware, hopefully we have a chance for them to get this right before the next Dragon Age game.

 

 

 I disagree. Idk who you romanced but you can make the relationship about more than just getting laid. You can ask Sera to marry you. You can tell Dorian you want a committed relationship. You can do that and not even have sex with the guy.  You can spend time with Cass with a picnic. You get zero sex from Solas and Josie.  Yeah the game does have more skin and sex but it isn't just thrown in there for no reason. Most adults have sex with their partners which then develops into something more. It doesn't negate marriage nor prevents it from being handled in meaningful ways for future titles.

 

However, I do believe that giving us a new protag every game has diminished the feel of a "long term relationship" with companions. The relationships in DA will never truly feel like the relationships in ME. In DA you will always be experiencing a brand new relationship that has not reached a point where marriage is at the forefront of anyone's mind.   Whereas you can spend years with Liara or pine after Kaidan ( for male Sheps) for years before you actually get him. It also helps that in ME your LI doesn't talk about leaving you when the journey is over.

[AresKeith]

Duelling was lame. I was tearing dragon in halves 10 minutes prior to that and still was holding rapier like it was my first time.

It was your first time

[Qunquistador]

It was your first time

 

Funny how people overlook this.

 
 

Yes, thank you.

You don't have to be married to be in a committed relationship. Just ask all of the decades-together same-sex couples that were only able to get married recently, or those who still can't get married, about that.

Of course, which is why I specified marriage/and or commitment in my OP. You can call it what you like, but even couples who couldn't or can't legally marry have weddings and ceremonies to declare their commitment to each other before their family/friends...and maker. Bioware is so heavy on relationships, you'd think we'd see more formal commitments.

 

Private declarations are well and good, but video games are a visual medium and a good spectacle never hurts. After all, why tell when you can show?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's too late for Inquisition now, it's gone too far, made too many mistakes with its story for Marriage to ever be handled in any meaningful way but with ME4 up next and the new IP coming out of Bioware, hopefully we have a chance for them to get this right before the next Dragon Age game.

I don't know. If they do post-campaign DLC that involves expanding the romances I can see it as a natural part of a couple of them. 

[Qunquistador]

Spoilers ahead, I suppose...

 

So, it turns out there is an Andrastian wedding in this game....and it's a huge 'Princess Bride' shot out.  My quiz helped arrange a marriage between a young lady, who's in love with another guy, and a much older noble and this is what happened when she attended....

 

 

I'm kinda bummed now because Mother G really would have rocked a wedding cut scene. Anyway this goes back to what someone was saying about all noble marriages seeming loveless. So loveless no one even bothers to show up to pretend it isn't.

[Lord Surinen]

Spoilers ahead, I suppose...

 

So, it turns out there is an Andrastian wedding in this game....and it's a huge 'Princess Bride' shot out.  My quiz helped arrange a marriage between a young lady, who's in love with another guy, and a much older noble and this is what happened when she attended....

 

 

I'm kinda bummed now because Mother G really would have rocked a wedding cut scene. Anyway this goes back to what someone was saying about all noble marriages seeming loveless. So loveless no one even bothers to show up to pretend it isn't.

Now this is something! Inquisitor  encourages bride to commit adultery. There should be option to punish them for not keeping a proper facade. What if peasants see them! Ow my!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Spoilers ahead, I suppose...

 

So, it turns out there is an Andrastian wedding in this game....and it's a huge 'Princess Bride' shot out.  My quiz helped arrange a marriage between a young lady, who's in love with another guy, and a much older noble and this is what happened when she attended....

 

 

I'm kinda bummed now because Mother G really would have rocked a wedding cut scene. Anyway this goes back to what someone was saying about all noble marriages seeming loveless. So loveless no one even bothers to show up to pretend it isn't.

That's a good message to send. "It's okay to commit adultery, everybody."