Letting the Chargers die to solidify an alliance with the Qunari.
A lot of good got done with the Qunari's help, but man did that suck.
Always imagine my Inquisitor was passive aggressive with the Qunari after that.
"We've crippled the Venatori's spy network with that operation. The Ben-Hassarath couldn't have done this without the Inquisition, thank you Herald."
"Sure thing you ****** mindless **** drone, ******. "
And according to the game trusting Solas is the wrong choice.
OK but you are forever in his debt because once he saved your life (kept the mark from killing you) and later saved the Inquisition itself by leading it to Skyhold. Given that Flemeht saves Hawke and HoF in previous games, they have been pulling the strings of fate for a while now. Trust is irrelevant.
And really, enough with this elven gods pulling the strings thing. They're not pulling anything, they just give a helping hand when they can because it'd be stupid for them not to.
I find it hard to think of them pulling anything when even they want to believe in a Maker.
I don't know that I can say I'm forever in his dept when all of this happened because of him in the first place. It's more like correcting his mistake.
Exactly.
Him saving Quizzy's life is just cleaning up his mess. WTF should I owe him for that? I wouldn't have nearly died in the first place if he hadn't screwed up!
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My first run is going to have to do because I can't bring myself to run it again until the controls are fixed. My only regret is that I wanted Vivienne in control because I sponsored her, but my actions were more aligned with a softened Leliana. I guess I can go back and finish looking for the tiles, but nah. I'm playing Awakening, right now and look! I can ALT+TAB instantly without any issues. Try that with Inquisition and you're looking at a black loading screen for a minute and NPCS doing Superman landings.
Besides Human Cole has a very badass line when facing Corypheus
"I am no demon... and you are no God!"
Corypheus suffered a burn of a thousand suns.
I don't regret choosing spirit cole. I feel like with the spirit path, the Inquisitor really helped Cole give back his sense of identity and purpose; helping others as a spirit of compassion. As a human, I feel that you are only delaying Cole's old behavior from arising again because you changed him, but you didn't truly give back what he was missing. Plus the ending of Spirit Cole is sad for the inquisitor, but at the same time you know that you helped a spirit back onto it's path and that Cole is helping people with their pain by what he has learned with the time spent with you.
Letting Black Wall to be alive instead of executing him...enough said ._.
This is like Loghain all over again, except worse since Blackwall was actually trying to make up for his past sins. Something very few have the balls to dedicate their lives to doing. He could have very easily gone about his business and lived without ever giving a damn about what he did, but instead he wasted his time going around helping people as a warden, then tagging around your ragtag group.
And yet, people still wish him dead or away. I don't get it. It's like the people who kill Paarthurnax on Skyrim. No sense for redemption. How do you punish a man who's already punished himself more than you ever could. He wanted to die. What does that tell you.
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Buying the game.............................................................................
(Just kidding).
Just came across another one, Taking Varric with me to the warden fortress when planning to leave Hawke behind. I'll still leave them behind in some runs but I won't be taking Varric with me when I do that again.
This is like Loghain all over again, except worse since Blackwall was actually trying to make up for his past sins. Something very few have the balls to dedicate their lives to doing. He could have very easily gone about his business and lived without ever giving a damn about what he did, but instead he wasted his time going around helping people as a warden, then tagging around your ragtag group.
And yet, people still wish him dead or away. I don't get it. It's like the people who kill Paarthurnax on Skyrim. No sense for redemption. How do you punish a man who's already punished himself more than you ever could. He wanted to die. What does that tell you.
i agree with you. blackwall didn't even try to justify his actions, he knew what he did was wrong and despised the man he used to be. yes, he lied and stole another man's identity, but he was trying to keep the real blackwall "alive" and he really did try his utmost to change. loghain......no. he may regret what he did AFTER the landsmeet, but not before sacrificing all those lives and thinking himself perfectly justified.
i couldn't kill paarthurnax either. he helped me far more than the blades did and he had clearly changed. i wanted nothing more to do with the blades after they gave me that ultimatum, even on subsequent playthroughs.
This is like Loghain all over again, except worse since Blackwall was actually trying to make up for his past sins. Something very few have the balls to dedicate their lives to doing. He could have very easily gone about his business and lived without ever giving a damn about what he did, but instead he wasted his time going around helping people as a warden, then tagging around your ragtag group.
And yet, people still wish him dead or away. I don't get it. It's like the people who kill Paarthurnax on Skyrim. No sense for redemption. How do you punish a man who's already punished himself more than you ever could. He wanted to die. What does that tell you.
Man murders your entire family, including children, in cold blood, goes into hiding. He joins.. let's say the red cross and dedicates his life to charity. Turns up 20 years later by his own free will.
You: Oh well, all is forgiven, no punishment for you?
He's a murderer and the fact that he turns himself in means that he knows he deserves his punishment. Since his crimes were performed in Orlais, I am perfectly content with them handling his trial. I might gave given a good word for him in any eventual trial, but that's not an option. It's not like the life of a hermit "Grey Warden" seems to be much worse than what everyone else is dealing with.
Besides, do you think that lieutenant was the first of his men to be captured and executed in his name? He's indirectly the murderer of even more than just that family by not turning himself in sooner.
My Lavellan getting her entire clan massacred because she sent the wrong people to Wycome.
My Lavellan getting her entire clan massacred because she sent the wrong people to Wycome.
Yep, I got this one too. I couldn't believe it.
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Just because a person may not forgive someone for a sin because it was personal for them, doesn't mean they aren't worthy of forgiveness.
Man murders your entire family, including children, in cold blood, goes into hiding. He joins.. let's say the red cross and dedicates his life to charity. Turns up 20 years later by his own free will.
You: Oh well, all is forgiven, no punishment for you?
He's a murderer and the fact that he turns himself in means that he knows he deserves his punishment. Since his crimes were performed in Orlais, I am perfectly content with them handling his trial. I might gave given a good word for him in any eventual trial, but that's not an option. It's not like the life of a hermit "Grey Warden" seems to be much worse than what everyone else is dealing with.
Besides, do you think that lieutenant was the first of his men to be captured and executed in his name? He's indirectly the murderer of even more than just that family by not turning himself in sooner.
I hope you didn't forgive Anders or Sten then either you know for consistency.
Or Isabella. Her actions lead to the Qunari being in Kirkwall in the first place. And many died because of it.
Man murders your entire family, including children, in cold blood, goes into hiding. He joins.. let's say the red cross and dedicates his life to charity. Turns up 20 years later by his own free will.
You: Oh well, all is forgiven, no punishment for you?
He's a murderer and the fact that he turns himself in means that he knows he deserves his punishment. Since his crimes were performed in Orlais, I am perfectly content with them handling his trial. I might gave given a good word for him in any eventual trial, but that's not an option. It's not like the life of a hermit "Grey Warden" seems to be much worse than what everyone else is dealing with.
Besides, do you think that lieutenant was the first of his men to be captured and executed in his name? He's indirectly the murderer of even more than just that family by not turning himself in sooner.
He's punished himself more than anybody else could've. Following your logic, why not have him die for the inquisition instead? Why not let him die in battle? WHy would you just waste him like that? Blackwall did bad things, but he's different from other people like him because he accepts it and he is ready to atone for what he did. Having him serve the inquisition, freely, is the only thing that he has left after the destruction of the southern wardens. Plus he'll probably be helping the inquisition rebuild the southern wardens, as they seem more accepting of outsiders and have extended their roles.
Killing the Chargers...and that really didn't hit home until Cole mentions it during one of his little intro ramblings when you talk to him at the tavern. Something along the lines of "Copper in my mouth. Dalish on the ground staring with dead eyes. He'll come, he'll call us back. Horns up...(paraphrased).
reading this makes me so incredibly sad.....this ensures that i'll NEVER choose the dreadnought over the chargers.
And according to the game trusting Solas is the wrong choice.
But it's pretty clear that Cole was happier as a spirit regardless of Solas' suggestion. His responses to you afterward show that. It's not just about what Solas wanted; frankly I didn't listen to him or Varric. I tried both options and was much more satisfied with the spirit choice. Yes, it was pretty sad that he erased Cole's memories, but that made him free to truly help people which he loved doing.
The Blackwall redemption discussion has been done to death - but I keep saying this - I hope that people who can't forgive Blackwall also executed Anders and hate Sten, Zevran and Isabella equally.
Yes, it was pretty sad that he erased Cole's memories, but that made him free to truly help people which he loved doing.
I always wonder about this line of thought. When I made Cole more human he made several comments about how now he could better learn to help people. Like the one about Cullen and he says know he understands why what he says makes Cullen upset. I would think being more human, and therefore able to learn, could actually make it easier to him to help people.
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