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[Fast Jimmy]

Jimmy im ashamed off you.

hideosly deformed radioactine monters whit leporesy need love to. 

 

Yeah... but they gotta pay.

 

[Fast Jimmy]

Can't you already bang that one cowghoul prostitute in New Vegas? Not to mention Fisto the Sexbot...

 

One word:

 

Bioware cinematic romance sex scenes.

 

 

 

Holy cow, that was a ton more than one word.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

well eveyone is talking about banging robots and zombies.. looks like a good day for Su lu Pi.

[wolfhowwl]

Nah, for the next game (that isn't Mass Effect 4) they should outsource the combat to Platinum.

 

 

Three words: Hella ****** epic!

[GMagnumm]

da legend of da vomit king
comin june 2016 tbh


aye u find out dat ur bes friend vomit 100 dollr bill he hid it frum u all dese year but u foun out wen u went 2 see his sistr nekkid but wlk in on him throwin up ur lyke omggg den he lyke dis how i bough da one n da ps4 plz help me cure dis b4 i mak da us dollr worthles den u lyke ok den its ur job 2 eithr help find da cure or lock him n ur basement n feed him ipecac all day n gt hella rich hella good or evil tbh

[Killdren88]

Nah, for the next game (that isn't Mass Effect 4) they should outsource the combat to Platinum.

 

 

Three words: Hella ****** epic!

 

So in DA4 I can Suplex a Dragon?

[Seagloom]

The closest I have seen BioWare come to realistic was Jade Empire. I recall a stance or two being lifted from real martial arts styles. Most animations were way off, though.

 

I try not to dwell on this sort of thing to avoid a slippery slope scenario in my mind. BioWare games always ignore the usefulness and ubiquity of spears. The importance of shields is often downplayed. Then there is the fanciful such as dual wielding larger weapons and the versatility of all weapons regardless of form or function--particularly two-handed swords.

 

Once I start worrying about realism in RPGs my suspension of disbelief quickly unravels until it begins hampering my enjoyment of a game. The tradeoff is not worth it. I accept BioWare's preference to go with rule of cool and move on.

 

Would I like it if fighting was more realistic? Sure. Realistic fighting ranges from beauteous to brutally visceral in a way I find engaging. It might get me into combat more. At least early on before the novelty wears off.

 

Unfortunately realistic fighting is not conducive to player expectations; so it will never happen in a series like Dragon Age. Most players want to go with what looks fun and feels badass. It is an exercise in wish fulfillment, and for a lot of folks keeping it real works at cross-purposes to that.

[Lotion Soronarr]

You're making an assumption that real swordplay is boring or unattractive..

[Seagloom]

You're making an assumption that real swordplay is boring or unattractive..

 

Not at all. I did write I would like to see more realistic fighting. Preferably with a range of weapons. Swords are far too ubiquitous as it is.

 

In some cases realistic would definitely be preferable. I dislike how greatswords are wielded in RPGs. No one ever holds them with a hand on the ricasso and pokes with them like a spear, and they are often portrayed as ridiculously heavy. I also mentioned shields and spears in my previous post. Pikes are nearly always ignored to the point they may as well not exist.

 

The problem with realism is it is unattractive to most people. That is partly a result of expectations from seeing so many duels in media that do it wrong. Partly because a real life or death duel is likely to end quickly and get seriously violent. Far more so than the likes of DAO with its cute death animations.

 

Animations in games are redundant to portray combat in a way that it makes it feel as if you are making progress. Every hit your character lands brings you a step closer to victory. Everyone has health meters that deplete as they take hits. Blocking and parrying animations are few and far between unless your character has sky high defensive stats. Realistically, you would be going for a deathblow as soon as there was an opening. Most fights would not be of the death of a thousand cuts variety. A realistic duel would be swift and ugly, with perhaps a few pauses here and there.

 

Games are entertainment, however. Rewarding the player is a part of that, even in the midst of combat. Going around one or two-shotting opponents, or getting one or two-shot yourself will not be fun for most people. Leveling up and still dying as easily as when you began would not be fun either.

 

They could split the difference and change animations without altering the nature of their combat systems, but I think the result would be quite jarring personally. Some people find the likes of Dark Souls off putting. A cross between DS and say, Bushido Blade is not likely to have mass appeal.

 

I think they could do better with the animations of certain weapons, definitely. At the very least where greatswords and shields are concerned, if they insist on leaving out most blunt weapons and spears. I just do not see full on realism meshing with their overall game aesthetic or being broadly appealing.

[mousestalker]

In re swordfights:



All of the sword tactics named are the ones actually used.

[Seagloom]

I like how you are speaking for "most people." Unless you can cite some study done on the matter you really cant just declare what most people consider unattractive in combat animations. 

 

No I cannot cite a study, so you got me there. I can only go by how many times I heard animators or movie special effects types go into this very subject. The whole realism versus fantasy combat debate is hardly new.

 

On balance, I would personally prefer a realistic interpretation. Based on the evidence all around me, either the majority of people do not prefer that, do not care, or the people behind creating that content do not prefer that or do not care.

 

I could watch a movie and go oooh, this fight scene was so well choreographed! Absolutely no one else I know would care one bit outside of whether the fight was fun for them to watch. Anecdotal evidence, granted, but no one I talk to this stuff about can even name different parts of a sword. When that new Star Wars trailer released I had to explain what a crossguard was over and over and over. >.<

 

To use another example, most media--games especially, get their science all wrong too. They rely on technobabble or come up with ludicrous theories even when real world science could support their story and hardly sounds any weirder to a layman. That will only matter to a minority who cares about that sort of accuracy.

 

Motion capture is a big thing in gaming as is. If the interest in realism was really so strong I think we would have seen it more by now, if not from BioWare, then from *any* AAA developer on consistent basis.

 

Entertainment, hell, our entire culture, is deeply influenced by image. Realism can look great, but perception is apparently still more important than realism. It is not as if sword fighting is esoteric knowledge. What I know myself I gleaned in under a day researching for a fight scene in a short story I was writing at the time. Any company with money to throw around could easily do better if they actually thought it was a good idea.

 

I could be wrong. This is after all, an opinion and not objective truth any more than the premise laid out by the OP. Since I beat my opinion into the ground already, I will leave it here and spare everyone any more of my walls o' text.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Not at all. I did write I would like to see more realistic fighting. Preferably with a range of weapons. Swords are far too ubiquitous as it is.

 

In some cases realistic would definitely be preferable. I dislike how greatswords are wielded in RPGs. No one ever holds them with a hand on the ricasso and pokes with them like a spear, and they are often portrayed as ridiculously heavy. I also mentioned shields and spears in my previous post. Pikes are nearly always ignored to the point they may as well not exist.

 

The problem with realism is it is unattractive to most people. That is partly a result of expectations from seeing so many duels in media that do it wrong. Partly because a real life or death duel is likely to end quickly and get seriously violent. Far more so than the likes of DAO with its cute death animations.

 

That too is an assumption.

Too much in this industry (and world) is done based on unfounded assumptions.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Swords pfft all you have to do is punch the guy 700 times in one second then watch as his head explodes.