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[Leliana]

This is just the manifestation of my jealousy. How dare the Inquisitor prefer Josie over me?   

[Lulupab]

No she doesn't. Cassandra is the altruist. She's the one who believes in feeding the poor and in doing the Maker's work. She's also the most faithful.

Yet there is zero mention of Cassandra helping them in her epilogue. Its practically the first thing Leliana does, you can moan over Cassandra all you want, Leliana helps the common people and helpless better than other divine candidates and its a priority for her.

[leaguer of one]

Cassandra would tear Aveline in half.

 

Cassandra - Trained since 6 years of age. Heiress of a line of legendary dragon hunters. Hero of Orlais. Right Hand of the Divine. With Seeker powers; bestowed and blessed by a spirit of Faith.

 

Aveline - daughter of a disgraced Chevalier who became a Fereldan Knight.

 

Knife to a gun fight is an understatement.

I'm sorry but Avey would beat her. She face mages, demons, abominations, templers, dragons, and qunari worriers as a person with no power ups. Cass does all that while being connected to the power ups of a spirit.

 

I love Cass but in a fight Avey >Cass.

[leaguer of one]

Yet there is zero mention of Cassandra helping them in her epilogue. Its practically the first thing Leliana does, you can moan over Cassandra all you want, Leliana helps the common people and helpless better than other divine candidates and its a priority for her.

Cass has yet to get to that yet because she cleaning up the mess the chantry did for the past 1000 years.

[leaguer of one]

This is just the manifestation of my jealousy. How dare the Inquisitor prefer Josie over me?   

Begone,Envy demon! You won't trick me this time!

[leaguer of one]

Leliana is out of control. And this is the woman people want as their Divine? I swear I wish there was an option to 'cancel' her ass. Such cognitive dissonance. I hate and love Nightingale the spymaster at the same time. So much better than that bard girl that adopts stray nugs. 

She still adopts stray nugs.

[leaguer of one]

Ok, keep telling yourself that. I put stock in what I see in game. Not some epilogue that can be retconned into oblivion the moment it's deemed inconvenient; like DA:O's.

 

Leliana is about policy. Cassandra is about the people.

..There both about the people. The difference is how they do it.

[Lulupab]

Ok, keep telling yourself that. I put stock in what I see in game. Not some epilogue that can be retconned into oblivion the moment it's deemed inconvenient; like DA:O's.

 

Leliana is about policy. Cassandra is about the people.

 

No Cassandra is about restoring order without revenge, her own words. Leliana keeps talking about how chantry always offers palliatives such as maker's side after death instead of actual aid and how she wants to change that. The quote I have posted in my sig speaks volumes about her goals.

 

Also you mean your personal view of Cassandra is more valued than epilogue because epilogue might get retconned? Regardless if there is no retcon, Leliana is better than Cassandra in helping common people and helpless. Its pretty much objective. Lets just establish this.

[Colonelkillabee]

Ok, keep telling yourself that. I put stock in what I see in game. Not some epilogue that can be retconned into oblivion the moment it's deemed inconvenient; like DA:O's.

 

Leliana is about policy. Cassandra is about the people.

She said this herself in fact. Word for word, she said she thought the chantry should stop making cathedrals and ****, and instead use their vast wealth to feed and house the poor.

 

There's no way in hell someone's going to lie to me and say she doesn't help the poor. Sell that **** to someone that needs fertilizer.

[Colonelkillabee]

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See above

 

[Lulupab]

She said this herself in fact. Word for word, she said she thought the chantry should stop making cathedrals and ****, and instead use their vast wealth to feed and house the poor.

 

There's no way in hell someone's going to lie to me and say she doesn't help the poor. Sell that **** to someone that needs fertilizer.

 

She does help the poor lmao, it would be against her beliefs to not help. Leliana however sees it as a priority and its quite obvious she is better at it. Vivienne is the one who doesn't help one bit. Leliana > Cassandra > Vivienne when it comes to helping the common people and helpless.

[Lulupab]

LOL. Tell speaker Anais to 'Spread word of the Inquisiton', be the 'Eyes and ears of the Inquisition', and to 'Feed the poor and the needy'. Take Cassandra along and see which one she approves of...

 

Good, you need more stretching. A random text appearing indicating approval would do fine in this case, but you are out of luck if you compare it to what Leliana says she will do and what she actually does. Guess common people will always be a less priority than Cassandra's beloved Templars and Seekers.

[Colonelkillabee]

She does help the poor lmao, it would be against her beliefs to not help. Leliana however sees it as a priority and its quite obvious she is better at it.

I can't continue this conversation due to obvious bias and lack of evidence.

[Lulupab]

I can't continue this conversation due to obvious bias and lack of evidence.

 

What bias lol? Its the first thing said in epilogue of her becoming divine, also the conversations you have with her prior to becoming divine and post divine are mostly about chantry helping common people. Your turn to show me Cassandra has something like this or accept the inevitable truth.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

You can't say 'Leliana' without the thread becoming an argument about her Divine ending these days I swear.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

You can't say 'Leliana' without the thread becoming an argument about her Divine ending these days I swear.

This is the BSN, after all...well it's like this in every corners of the Internet when people with different opinion and belief clashed.

[Lulupab]

I take it back. Your head isn't as think as dried cement. Someone else's is.

 

Yes, succumb to personal comments when you are heavily buried under hard evidence that Leliana helps the common people and the helpless better than anyone and your only argument is "it might get retconned" and "my waifu is best!"

[TheKomandorShepard]

You can't rly say if cassandra helps poor less or more than leliana because in fact cassandra epilogue says nothing about it or her reforms same when epilogues ignore templars/mages when you take other side .but we know Cassandra thinks chantry should be concentrated on helping poor.

[Lulupab]

Hard evidence? Sabrae Clan owns the Hinterlands then. The Deep Roads were reclaimed then. The Circle of Magi in Ferelden was autonomous before the events of Inquisition then. There're are elven leaders in Ferelden's court then...

 

Oh wait...

 

How amusing that you ignore the things that were not retconned, such as Alistair marrying Anora and them ruling together for years to come. They could retcon all choices into Alistair ruling alone but they wouldn't and they should't to begin with.

 

The Boon which was different in every single playthough could get retconned it was a minor thing almost an ester egg, but Leliana as divine like who rules Ferelden is an important choice therefore very unlikely to get retconned.

[Lulupab]

You can't rly say if cassandra helps poor less or more than leliana because in fact cassandra epilogue says nothing about it or her reforms same when epilogues ignore templars/mages when you take other side .but we know Cassandra thinks chantry should be concentrated on helping poor.

 

Leliana actually concentrates the chantry to help the poor and helpless, its one of her first reforms. She is a woman of her words, she says she will prior to becoming Divine and she does.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Leliana actually concentrates the chantry to help the poor and helpless, its one of her first reforms. She is a woman of her words, she says she will prior to becoming Divine and she does.

As i said you have no evidence that cassandra didn't do that as well we are only informed that she started reform chantry but aren't informed what her reforms were.