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[SolNebula]

...that the Dalish Inquisitor seems to know so little about the elven people?

I mean, they can't read elvish, but Morrigan can. They have to ask what the Temple of Mythal is. I just feel like the Dalish Inquisitor is really ignorant about their own culture, and that really annoys me. Does anyone else feel that way, or is it just me?

 

I agree but really we were not supposed to play as elves in this game. One thing is that as a Dalish elf we don't know the real history of the elves but that we cannot read Elvish is indeed stupid. BW wants us to play as a human otherwise they would not have done such silly inaccuracies. This is how it is.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Elvish is primarily a lost language even among the Dalish except for a random smattering of phrases and Morrigan was taught by someone who knows...for reasons explained in game.

I don't know the exact context regarding asking about the temple. If it was asking about the temple itself, well it was a lost temple. If it was about who Mythal was....well the option has to be there since not everyone playing a Dalish is familiar with the lore.

[Farangbaa]

The Dalish barely speak Elven as it is. They can say things like "Hi, how are you?" but things like writing a story in Elven or really just anything bigger that an intro level conversation (Hi, how are you? I'm good, how are you? that kinda stuff) is beyond them.

So not being able to read it all isn't that bad, asking what Mythal is.. is. But that's for the player, and is on the same level of Shepard asking if Asari can mate with each other or equating the Turian-Krogan war + genophage to the Turian-Human 'war'.

p.s. you can read more if you drink from the well and go back. Or so I've heard, never tried this myself as I haven't drank from the well lately

[Ranadiel Marius]

p.s. you can read more if you drink from the well and go back. Or so I've heard, never tried this myself as I haven't drank from the well lately

Not quite. What happens is there are a few unreadable codex entries you can pick up. They get updated with whispers from the well if you drink. I don't think you can go back after drinking.

[Hair Serious Business]

First time I played as Dalish and saw how he has no clue what is what while Morrigan explains everything to him I honestly thought it was a bug that perhaps my origin got mixed but after second play later on with female Dalish I realized it was not bug but very stupid thing in game.Seriously one apostate witch needs to explain a Dalish elf everything about his/her culture? His/her so called "Creators/Gods"? WTF!?

[MiyuEmi]

I think, as moronic as this makes Dalish elves look throughout the playthrough, stuff like this was designed to give information to players because none of the Elvish is translated in dialogue, it's just an elvish sentence, or word usually.  I can't remember if the IQ actually asked who Mythal was?  Did they???  Seriously??  Even as a Dalish elf who knew not a spit of elvish, they would know who Mythal was, as one of their gods.

 

I'll agree that it's likely that the game was intended to be played as a male human.  I'll say this (in an angry aside) because there is only one walking style which makes it painfully obviously they intended for you to play the game as a man.  As for BW oversights, definitely possible as the spirit of the Well of Sorrows is meant to be an elf, but I read somewhere that developers have confirmed the fact that the spirit is human was an oversight.

 

As for the Dalish not knowing their own language, they don't, at least not so far as I've seen in the series.  Solas is the only character thus far who is capable of constructing entire sentences in Elvish.

[Farangbaa]

I'll agree that it's likely that the game was intended to be played as a male human.  I'll say this (in an angry aside) because there is only one walking style which makes it painfully obviously they intended for you to play the game as a man.  As for BW oversights, definitely possible as the spirit of the Well of Sorrows is meant to be an elf, but I read somewhere that developers have confirmed the fact that the spirit is human was an oversight.

I'll take you serious again after you've actually played the game.

[MiyuEmi]

@Psychevore: Are you trolling or are you just making fun of my use of Varric's line's use in this instance?  I have, in fact, played all three games, multiple times and Hawke and the IQ walk like men in all cut scenes, despite playing as a woman. 

[funmachine]

Definitely. I'm doing a playthrough with an elf right now, and there are soooo many times I thought to myself "this would be such a great opportunity to throw in some elf-specific dialogue". But nope, practically never happens.

[Hair Serious Business]

@Psychevore: Clearly a trolling response.  I have, in fact, played all three games, multiple times.  If you can tell me that Hawke and the IQ don't walk like men in all cut scenes, despite playing as a woman, I'd be surprised.  As for the oversight about the spirit of the well, that was something I've heard from outside sources.

Eh female Hawek and Quizzy? Because theirs walk is way too much over exaggerated feminine unrealistic walk that sways hips way to much.

 

EDIT:Just checking out on which Hawke and Quizzy you mean that walk like men because female Hawke and Quizzy don't walk like one for damn sure!

[Farangbaa]

@Psychevore: Clearly a trolling response.  I have, in fact, played all three games, multiple times.  If you can tell me that Hawke and the IQ don't walk like men in all cut scenes, despite playing as a woman, I'd be surprised.  As for the oversight about the spirit of the well, that was something I've heard from outside sources.

Man. Even the Qunari female walks like she's trying to pick up men and earn some dough.

The difference between the male walk animation and female walk animation is enormous.

[Farangbaa]

Definitely. I'm doing a playthrough with an elf right now, and there are soooo many times I thought to myself "this would be such a great opportunity to throw in some elf-specific dialogue". But nope, practically never happens.

Try picking the 'special' options. It happens quite frequently.

Sure, there could've been more, but to say it practically never happens is just not true

[Elfyoth]

...that the Dalish Inquisitor seems to know so little about the elven people?

I mean, they can't read elvish, but Morrigan can. They have to ask what the Temple of Mythal is. I just feel like the Dalish Inquisitor is really ignorant about their own culture, and that really annoys me. Does anyone else feel that way, or is it just me?

They CAN read Elvish somtimes, and have some Elvish dilaouges, also about the tempale of mythal Patrick Weeks say they should know what mythal is lol, and he have said its prob a bug, I hope they'll fix it. 

[Feranel]

Eh female Hawek and Quizzy? Because theirs walk is way too much over exaggerated feminine unrealistic walk that sways hips way to much.

 

EDIT:Just checking out on which Hawke and Quizzy you mean that walk like men because female Hawke and Quizzy don't walk like one for damn sure!

 

The way they move in cutscenes is different than the way they move in the game.  All characters have a single skeleton rigging animation during cutscenes, which is why female inquisitor manspreads when she sits.

[funmachine]

Try picking the 'special' options. It happens quite frequently.

Sure, there could've been more, but to say it practically never happens is just not true

 

Yeah, that was a bit of hyperbole on my part. It's just that I was going through the Exalted Plains yesterday and this problem got really noticeable there. All those elven ruins + a dalish clan hanging around, but still there's very little reactivity except for "hey, you're an elf too".

[Hair Serious Business]

The way they move in cutscenes is different than the way they move in the game.  All characters have a single skeleton rigging animation during cutscenes, which is why female inquisitor manspreads when she sits.

lol next DA4 needs to put this animation for both genders to solve this problem xD

[Navasha]

My couple points :

 

1) Ancient elvish is not modern elvish, and even the dalish only know smatterings of modern elvish. 

I could throw a book of Latin down and I can guarantee you most Italians aren't going to be able to read it.

 

2) Most of that stuff is there for the player NOT the character.   If you know who Mythal is for instance... don't ask that question.   Simple really.   The question is there for players who never played DA before to have some understanding and explanation.

[MiyuEmi]

@Go To Sleep, @Psychevore: Specifically with Hawke, the scene where her pocket is picked in Hightown, my IQ, I'd have to think but my daughter and I both noted that she walked like a man in a recent cutscene.  Yes the actual gameplay movements are exaggeratedly female, but they don't seem to have actually programmed the cutscenes to reflect this.  I'm talking cutscenes only.  I understand the reason for this, it would be costly and extremely time consuming to program the animations for both genders but it ruins immersion when you're seeing your character in an exaggerated female pose and then in a cutsene they're walking like man.  I've tried to equip a link to a YouTube vid but it doesn't seem to be working with my office PC, but as said above, the cutscene animations are very different from in-game movements.

[ArtemisMoons]

Considering the Dalish have constantly been said to be scrambling to hold onto and find information about their culture, no. It is well known that the Dalish have little grasp of their own history. So it isn't surprising in the least that the Dalish inquisitor doesn't know a lot. 

 

Not only that, but as the story in DAI goes on, it shows that what little they DO know is wrong.

 

Honestly, if the clans came together and shared their knowledge (I feel like it might be something they do or it was mentioned that they do?) every time they find something, they might be better off.

[MiyuEmi]

@ArtemisMoons: That would be the best thing for them to do but of course they're mistrustful of even other Dalish.  In DAO, you're still called an outsider despite being Dalish (You may be Dalish but you are not of this clan) when you approach the camp for the Nature of the Beast quest.

[Giantdeathrobot]

It kinda played into the concept that the Dalish are playing lip service to Elven history, rather than actually knowing anything about it. But it does seem a bit over the top that they don't even know who Mythal is. At least you have the option not to ask the question.

[Warden Majere]

Morrigan being more knowledgeable than the average Dalish, is not new to the series. In Witch Hunt, your Dalish companion couldn't even translate the word for Eluvian. In fact, the mage that the Warden picks up in the Circle Tower knows more Old Elvish by heart than she does. While I do find some of the Quizzy's knowledge to be extra lacking, it is not entirely surprising. Though the First of your respective clan should at least know the names of the Gods.

[Patchwork]

My couple points :

 

1) Ancient elvish is not modern elvish, and even the dalish only know smatterings of modern elvish. 

I could throw a book of Latin down and I can guarantee you most Italians aren't going to be able to read it.

 

2) Most of that stuff is there for the player NOT the character.   If you know who Mythal is for instance... don't ask that question.   Simple really.   The question is there for players who never played DA before to have some understanding and explanation.

 

Is "who's Mythal?" a dialogue option? I remember it being auto during the first conversation with Morrigan in the temple. 

But I agree that most of the stuff is for the players benefit, imo the dalish probably do know quite a bit of elvish and the mages more than most. Only an elf can understand what is said between Solas and the spirit in his personal quest, you can cuss him in nothing but elvish etc. 

 

The other problem is that the Inquisitor's dialogue is written to cover 4 races and 3 classes and a lot of the time it defaults to Andrastian human. I think BW tried but sometimes the dialogue options are really lacking. 

[Farangbaa]

@Go To Sleep, @Psychevore: Specifically with Hawke, the scene where her pocket is picked in Hightown, my IQ, I'd have to think but my daughter and I both noted that she walked like a man in a recent cutscene.  Yes the actual gameplay movements are exaggeratedly female, but they don't seem to have actually programmed the cutscenes to reflect this.  I'm talking cutscenes only.  I understand the reason for this, it would be costly and extremely time consuming to program the animations for both genders but it ruins immersion when you're seeing your character in an exaggerated female pose and then in a cutsene they're walking like man.  I've tried to equip a link to a YouTube vid but it doesn't seem to be working with my office PC, but as said above, the cutscene animations are very different from in-game movements.

It never really botehred me to be honest, except for the part where she sits like a dude

Now that it has been pointed out to me though, I'll probably be extremely annoyed by it aarg.