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[TheTsar_]

First off, it is people like you that really should shut up for a change and maybe understand how these things work. This is a video game, with confinements to it. It is a game that is designed for two purposes, entertainment and telling a plot with narrative changes. It has certain conceits that need to happen for it to accomplish this.

 

Second, it's acceptable because it's common. The same reason why people accept a game where a giant hole in the sky is raining demons and a band of elves, dwarves, ox men and humans can stop it. How is that for ridiculous as concept now? 

 

But seriously, the reason why it's accepted is because of drama. As I said above, it's something that is in every game with a narrative, be it an RPG or a FPS. Also, books. And TV. Movies too. You really think something like Game of Thrones is ironclad in it's narrative completely, for example, when you have a lot of plot contrivance for either shock value, story progression, or to keep secrets from the reader going on as much as Dragon Age. 

 

Also take your pick, each narrative has it so it can service it's plot. So my question now, is that terrible standards in the end when everyone does it, or is it just egregious to you because it bothered you this time? 

 

The reason it is inconsequential because the answer to the above question is different for everyone. Some people don't like little things not making sense. Some people let it slide because they are enjoying themselves. Some people are simply too uptight because they see something wrong and discount the whole package because it doesn't fit their standards. Not to mention these aspects don't really change the plot at all, which is why it's a conceit that's allowable. 

 

So tell me, does one or two moments like this really make you accept the ridiculous? Or is it just you being angry over something inconsequential because you think it's stupid? I suspect the latter, despite the contrary to you likely arguing for the former. 

 

Then again, your opinion on the matter is just that, your opinion. So really, this discussion is already over.

I understand EXACTLY how these things work, I've played RPG's for the past 17 years and only in the past 5 years have ridiculous plot holes and bad script writing been accepted, a game company wouldn't dare make such amateur decisions in the 90's because nobody would buy their game, but it's the complete opposite now. And you are blatantly mistaking bad script writing to a fantasy setting..

An Elf being able to understand Elvish when it matters but complete oblivious when they need it to be for "plot reasons" is not in the least bit comparable to the Rift.. You see? One is bad writing, the other is a fantasy setting.. It's just the same as me forgetting English for five minutes in a movie for the sake of the plot. 

And yes, it does change the plot.. Considering the game ends revealing the big secret that should have been revealed hours before if your Inquisitor bothered to be competent. 

And to your final point, once again your mistaking bad writing with fantasy setting.. How, I do not know o.O

[Captmorgan72]

My elven inquisitor spoke elven to a member of another clan. She had special dialogue regarding elves. She speaks about worshipping her people's gods to Cas and others. The way I see it, the dalish are disconnected from much of ancient elven knowledge and learn as much as they can from the elders and other clans.  

[Ogillardetta]

My Dalish are on hitaus until the next patch. (Hopefully it'll get fixed.)

[LinksOcarina]

I understand EXACTLY how these things work, I've played RPG's for the past 17 years and only in the past 5 years have ridiculous plot holes and bad script writing been accepted, a game company wouldn't dare make such amateur decisions in the 90's because nobody would buy their game, but it's the complete opposite now. And you are blatantly mistaking bad script writing to a fantasy setting..

An Elf being able to understand Elvish when it matters but complete oblivious when they need it to be for "plot reasons" is not in the least bit comparable to the Rift.. You see? One is bad writing, the other is a fantasy setting.. It's just the same as me forgetting English for five minutes in a movie for the sake of the plot. 

And yes, it does change the plot.. Considering the game ends revealing the big secret that should have been revealed hours before if your Inquisitor bothered to be competent. 

And to your final point, once again your mistaking bad writing with fantasy setting.. How, I do not know o.O

 

Once again, this conversation is already over. 

 

By the way, there was a lot of bad writing since Baldur's Gate. It is always boiling down to what apparently annoys you, or what is acceptable though, which in this instance, seems to be elves for some reason. You are also focusing on a joke statement to try and prove your point, which I find hilarious. 

 

I am also not mistaking anything. But there is no point in talking with a grognard. 

[TheTsar_]

Once again, this conversation is already over. 

 

By the way, there was a lot of bad writing since Baldur's Gate. It is always boiling down to what apparently annoys you. 

"This conversation is over" Such a golden reply from people who obviously lack any sort of respectable reasoning for their arguments. Sad really :/

[LinksOcarina]

"This conversation is over" Such a golden reply from people who obviously lack any sort of respectable reasoning for their arguments. Sad really :/

 

Not really, there is simply no argument here over something so trivial.

 

Plus you insulted me from the get go, so you don't really deserve any respect or conversation. I've wasted enough of my time on you as it is. 

[TheTsar_]

Not really, there is simply no argument here over something so trivial.

 

Plus you insulted me from the get go, so you don't really deserve any respect or conversation. I've wasted enough of my time on you as it is. 

I insulted your opinion on the matter at hand, which I still stand by, accepting such poor writing and brushing it off as "plot convenience" just paves the way for more poor writing. Like I said before, it's also not trivial considering the final scene in the game is something that could have been figured out hours before if the Inquisitor wasn't an idiot, but like you said, plot reasons, haha... No need to take my points out of context to justify your lack of reasoning. 

[Nefla]

I think being ignorant of your character's culture and such should be a choice, but you should get made fun of or called out for it. Like in the Dragonborn DLC for Skyrim, my dark elf can ask "what is Blacklight City?" and the guy you ask is like "how can you be a dark elf and not know that?"

[Biotic Flash Kick]

...that the Dalish Inquisitor seems to know so little about the elven people?

I mean, they can't read elvish, but Morrigan can. They have to ask what the Temple of Mythal is. I just feel like the Dalish Inquisitor is really ignorant about their own culture, and that really annoys me. Does anyone else feel that way, or is it just me?

EDIT: I realize that Elvish is a dead language, and not being able to read it is one thing. However, at times they are fluent in speaking Elvish, and at other times they have no clue how to speak the language.

no

because who cares about elves ;D

 

have you seen the male elves?

the female elves look like they can wield shields and two handers better 

[Neleothesze]

I was pretty upset about the Temple of Mythal thing but I'm willing to put my anger on hold for that one, as it's apparently a bug. (Not the only one either... as Solas was supposed to beg me not to drink from the Well and he never did that either.) I'm not sure what exactly we can say to Mihris as I always let Solas persuade her and his dialogue isn't translated there... but the other things that your character can say in Elvish are pretty basic.

 

Ir abelas, hahren. - I'm sorry, elder... or the one from the video... Ma halani! - help me...

 

Though what we understand from the spirit of wisdom is just as complex as what Solas says in the Fade... And if we can say 'Banal abelas.' when Solas breaks up with the Quizzie then we should understand the 'Banal nadas.' what he answers the Nightmare.

 

Ah well... I just treated the language switch as a puzzle...  

 

Still not sure how to translate "Ma banal las halamshir var vhen." because it loosely sounds like: I see you doing nothing to end of the journey of our people. (or veeery loosely translated: You care nothing for our people's troubles.)

...and he replies with I do no such thing.

So the two don't really fit.

 

Stupid Lavellan wasting Inquisition Perks gaining Nobility/Underground/Magic/etc knowledge instead of focusing on learning the ancient elven language.

[Feranel]

This all kinda makes me want to hold off on my elf quizzy until patch before I get to the temple, I want to get the correct dialogue.

 

I was planning on a human noble/dwarf carta side with templars run anyways.

[Neleothesze]

So wait, when Solas breaks up with her she can say "Banal abelas"?. Nothing sorrow? WTF is that supposed to mean? Then of course "abelas" is also used as an apology, but gerl, he's breaking up with you, don't apologize! 

YOU'RE AN INDEPENDENT BLACK ELVEN WOMAN AND YOU DON'T NEED NO MAN!

Yeah, your Quizzie can say Banal abelas, banal vhenan... which is so vague it could be anything from:

You're not sorry for this, you don't have a heart.

to

I won't accept your apology, I'm not your heart/love anymore.

[Ogillardetta]

Oooooh. So it's a bug. I just did that quest with an Inquisitor who romanced Solas, and he yelled at me afterwards, saying that he begged me not to. I was just like, Did I accidentally skip over that scene or something? XD

Hmm guess I'm saving the solas romance until they fix both the elf not knowing anything bug and the solas begging you not to do it bug.

[SafetyShattered]

Yes...so much yes. I started an elf a while back a day I just have no desire to go back to her for this very reason. This infuriated me lol.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

...that the Dalish Inquisitor seems to know so little about the elven people?

I mean, they can't read elvish, but Morrigan can. They have to ask what the Temple of Mythal is. I just feel like the Dalish Inquisitor is really ignorant about their own culture, and that really annoys me. Does anyone else feel that way, or is it just me?

EDIT: I realize that Elvish is a dead language, and not being able to read it is one thing. However, at times they are fluent in speaking Elvish, and at other times they have no clue how to speak the language.

The not knowing about Mythal thing bugged me to no end, especially since some of the responses you can give as a dalish inquisitor include "I worship elven gods" or things of that nature...so yeah, I think you should freakin know who Mythal is. It doesn't stop there though, when you are in said temple of Mythal, there are several reliefs of other elven gods that your inquisitor is apparently plum ignorant of. I expect this sort of thing if you were perhaps playing a city born elf, but when you are playing as the dalish, who supposedly try to keep all of these traditions and such close to heart, it's unacceptable.

[LittleHighElf]

Yeah, your Quizzie can say Banal abelas, banal vhenan... which is so vague it could be anything from:

You're not sorry for this, you don't have a heart.

to

I won't accept your apology, I'm not your heart/love anymore.

 

I interpreted it as 

Banal abelas, - no sorrow

Banal vhenan - no heart/love

 

so more or less 

i dont love you, im not sad/ Why would i be sad? i dont love you.

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