I have not read The Masked Empire, so I don't know much of the backstory behind these two beyond what's presented in-game. I know that Celene is weaker on the military side, and if I'm perfectly honest, one reason I backed her on my first playthrough was because Gaspard would (apparently, even though there's a war table mission to calm him down) initiate fighting with Ferelden again.
So that said, arguments for and against both? I'm listening.
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
Gaspard. Because Celene is a sleezebucket.
Gaspard. Because Celene is a sleezebucket.
That's kind of a weak argument. 
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
That's kind of a weak argument.
Doesn't make it any less true.
Neither, I have Celene, Gaspard, and Briala in my pocket. My inquisition rules Orlais
Gaspard. Because Celene is a sleezebucket.
Okay, maybe I'll start over. I'm really looking for political and military implications. Such as, would Gaspard's peace talks hold if they succeeded? Something really other than "Celene is sleazy and also has an annoying voice."
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
Such as, would Gaspard's peace talks hold if they succeeded?
Gaspard would focus Orlais externally. No direct wins for culture and arts, but secured borders allow those to flourish anyway. Difference being they aren't government sponsored. Orlais and Nevarra still have beef over Perendale (much like the situation over Jader with Ferelden). But if the Inquisition can get Gaspard and Alistair to sit down and talk the same should be possible with Markus. If Gaspard is alive and in power it'll be a case of Southern Thedas and Nevarra vs the Imperium and the Qunari.
Okay, maybe I'll start over. I'm really looking for political and military implications. Such as, would Gaspard's peace talks hold if they succeeded? Something really other than "Celene is sleazy and also has an annoying voice."
My question is, why you are restricting yourself to two choices?
From what is implied, Orlais' future might result in war with Ferelden as you mentioned. Personally that was enough to turn me off supporting him.
Celene is a skilled and ruthless politician, which I guess is best for stability, but for me the best stability is my Inquisitor in control.
Briala is great if you're an elf, not so much if you're not, besides better to have her in your pocket too either way.
Despite Celene's actions, find her better in the long run. Celene managed to turn a ruined Orlais into a powerhouse again because her predecessor nearly ruined Orlais BECAUSE of a war. Celene supports culture as shown by the University which a traditional ruler wouldn't have supported. Celene supports peace and in the long run would be more stable considering the endings where she is opposed are a result of her fighting Briala or Gaspard, not her own people. Her best endings make Orlais resurgent with culture and rights for elves if you reconcile her with Briala or if you execute Briala and Gaspard, Orlais prospers and soon goes back to how it used to be.
Gaspard on the other hand has no use for diplomacy. As far as he's concerned, force is the only way to do things. Very few people at the ball actually support him. Gaspard outright says he plans on invading Ferelden and he plans on killing people who oppose him as shown when he makes death threats to council members, his comment that things will calm down after some executions, and his ending where he kills people who oppose him. His ending outright says it's only a matter of time before a revolution occurs since killing anyone who disagrees with you can only work for so long.
If you support peace, choose Celene.
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
LOL, powerhouse.... ROFL.
Paper Lion is more like it.
LOL, powerhouse.... ROFL.
Paper Lion is more like it.
You didn't read World of Thedas which outright says Orlais became a powerhouse because of Celene after Orlais was nearly ruined by the Ferelden Rebellion.
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
You didn't read World of Thedas which outright says Orlais became a powerhouse because of Celene after Orlais was nearly ruined by the Ferelden Rebellion.
You say powerhouse I say paper lion. If it was such a powerhouse Inquisition wouldn't have happened. Your supposed argument is null and void.
His ending outright says it's only a matter of time before a revolution occurs since killing anyone who disagrees with you can only work for so long.
If you support peace, choose Celene.
That was actually what I was concerned about. Peace talks don't typically last for someone intent on war-mongering, whether it be Ferelden or someone else. From what I can see, Celene is the most stabilizing force in the region and overthrowing seems like something you would only do if you wanted to set southern Thedas on fire just to see what would happen.
You say powerhouse I say paper lion. If it was such a powerhouse Inquisition wouldn't have happened. Your supposed argument is null and void.
Funny how Gaspard is the reason why Corypheus is able to do anything with Orlais, but if you don't want to refute my argument go ahead, you're just proving that Gaspard supporters don't think beyone "Celene is scummy, anyone can do better". I suspect if Gaspard was a pedophilic, genocidal, rapist lunatic, you'd still support him because he's not Celene.
Gaspard's the better option overall as he's actually willing to act and make use of Orlais' military might for the benefit of the Inquisition and Thedas as a whole. Celene, meanwhile, is far too focused on preserving her own power and keeping the corrupt nobility appeased through extravagant parties. She's also more liable to stab the Inquisition in the back given how she has repeatedly stabbed even her closest allies in the back.
That was actually what I was concerned about. Peace talks don't typically last for someone intent on war-mongering, whether it be Ferelden or someone else. From what I can see, Celene is the most stabilizing force in the region and overthrowing seems like something you would only do if you wanted to set southern Thedas on fire just to see what would happen.
Indeed. Celene has ruled peacefully for 20 years. Gaspard outright opposes her because he doesn't think diplomacy could work. If you want peace, someone like Gaspard really the best way to do it considering he outright says he prefers force to diplomacy?
Guest_Caladin_*
pick what one is the least worst of the lot cause the 3 of them are all inept an stupid
on a side note you can use the war table to broker peace between orlais n ferelden
Celene and Briala have a network of Eluvians and are ready to make cultural/societal revolution and economic prosperity via skill in ruling a country from an administrative and social standpoint and basically teleportation.
Gaspard is a man playing with a sword, wanting to be an Emperor.
Gaspard's the better option overall as he's actually willing to act and make use of Orlais' military might for the benefit of the Inquisition and Thedas as a whole. Celene, meanwhile, is far too focused on preserving her own power and keeping the corrupt nobility appeased through extravagant parties. She's also more liable to stab the Inquisition in the back given how she has repeatedly stabbed even her closest allies in the back.
Well, you do get Orlesian forces if you support Celene. As for her being more likely to stab you in the back, I'm not sure that's true. And if you manage yourself well at the ball you've proven that you can play the game in addition to very likely saving her life. I think that even Celene may not be so willing to brush that aside.
Well, you do get Orlesian forces if you support Celene. As for her being more likely to stab you in the back, I'm not sure that's true. And if you manage yourself well at the ball you've proven that you can play the game in addition to very likely saving her life. I think that even Celene may not be so willing to brush that aside.
Don't forget that Gaspard is also willing to betray the Inquisition.
Gaspard. Because Celene is a sleezebucket.
Celene because she would ruin everything with war.
Gaspard's the better option overall as he's actually willing to act and make use of Orlais' military might for the benefit of the Inquisition and Thedas as a whole. Celene, meanwhile, is far too focused on preserving her own power and keeping the corrupt nobility appeased through extravagant parties. She's also more liable to stab the Inquisition in the back given how she has repeatedly stabbed even her closest allies in the back.
They both are. That's not a pro.
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