"I would lose you... Bria, you're all I have."
In fairness she is referring to Remache, but its fai to assume that the same reasoning is behind refusing big G.
And refusing Remache is another time whn she puts herself first.
Nope. It was only said in jest.
Do you also oppose Anora?
She doesn't marry for something other than being involved with a servant.
And some how you are ignoring the fact Celene tried to steal Anora's man politically.
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I put Gaspard on the throne because he is the forceful ruler that Orlais deserves.
But really, if there were a "wrong" choice, it would be forcing Briala, Celene, and Gaspard to work together.
Or keeping Celene on the throne and exiling Briala/Gaspard.
And some how you are ignoring the fact Celene tried to steal Anora's man politically.
Calian you mean? The corpse at ostagar.
Ah; well a differing circumstance, when it comes to actually doing whats best for Orlais that resolve seems absent.
She turned down the marriage with the true emperor because of a servant she was sleeping with.
Selfish and ridiculous.
Wouldn't it behoove her to marry someone more... fertile?
Wouldn't it behoove her to marry someone more... fertile?
He never married after the first and he has no bastards.
There is nothing to impune his virility.
Besides the fact the fact that he is just short of 70 years old, of course.
Nope. It was only said in jest.
No it wasn't
Besides the fact the fact that he is just short of 70 years old, of course.
To people saying that Celene doesn't care about miltary matters, remember this:
Celene was planning on marrying Cailan to get Ferelden. Considering that Gaider confirmed that if Cailan survived the blight, he would have divorced Anora and married Celene, that would have meant that Celene would have gotten Ferelden all without needing to use an army. Plus, she wanted to use Ferelden for its resources to battle Nevarra and Tevinter so she isn't dumb about ignoring them. Also, in MOTA, Celene would have gotten the names of every Qunari agent in Orlais had Hawke not interfered. In other words, had nothing gone wrong, Celene would have gotten Ferelden and the names of every qunari agent in Orlais all without needing an army. Can Gaspard match that?
Heh and?
And... age has an effect on fertility? Were you expecting something else?
Celene is just about at the point where her blue thing turns brown if you catch my meaning.
Right, which is why, for the sake of producing an heir, she'd logically want a suitor who'd provide a better chance for a successful pregnancy and childbirth.
Can Gaspard match that?
And... age has an effect on fertility? Were you expecting something else?
To people saying that Celene doesn't care about miltary matters, remember this:
Celene was planning on marrying Cailan to get Ferelden. Considering that Gaider confirmed that if Cailan survived the blight, he would have divorced Anora and married Celene, that would have meant that Celene would have gotten Ferelden all without needing to use an army. Plus, she wanted to use Ferelden for its resources to battle Nevarra and Tevinter so she isn't dumb about ignoring them. Also, in MOTA, Celene would have gotten the names of every Qunari agent in Orlais had Hawke not interfered. In other words, had nothing gone wrong, Celene would have gotten Ferelden and the names of every qunari agent in Orlais all without needing an army. Can Gaspard match that?
A personal union between Ferelden and Orlais would have exploded into a war as soon as Celene died.
Yeah but even in universe men his age have produced children.
He hasn't, even in his previous marriage when he was younger. You'd definitely want someone more in their prime, so to speak.
I wonder how old Remache was. Now, he was the ideal suitor IMO. Spurning him was her biggest mistake.
Gaspard all the way. Long live the Emperor. Finally mankind will be united into a single glorious empire where mages don't rule everything.
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To people saying that Celene doesn't care about miltary matters, remember this:
Celene was planning on marrying Cailan to get Ferelden. Considering that Gaider confirmed that if Cailan survived the blight, he would have divorced Anora and married Celene, that would have meant that Celene would have gotten Ferelden all without needing to use an army. Plus, she wanted to use Ferelden for its resources to battle Nevarra and Tevinter so she isn't dumb about ignoring them. Also, in MOTA, Celene would have gotten the names of every Qunari agent in Orlais had Hawke not interfered. In other words, had nothing gone wrong, Celene would have gotten Ferelden and the names of every qunari agent in Orlais all without needing an army. Can Gaspard match that?
I'm not a political expert about the DA universe but I can't see the Fereldan nobles sitting there and not raising arms with an Orlesian queen, especialy with Loghain alive and Anora, who is respected by commoner and noble both, pulling in favors and working her political magic. As for MoTA, while I don't know the specifics, I don't think we can use thwarted plans as a plus. Would have, could have, should have are irrelevant.
I'm neutral on who rules Orlais. I don't think either Celene or Gaspard is better or worse than the other but as a staunch Ferelden I'd rather put the worst one on the throne which would be...Briala?
He hasn't, even in his previous marriage when he was younger.
We don't know if they even attempted to have children,
Why would they not? That is expected of the nobility.
nor do we know of the fertility of his former wife.
His advanced age since then doesn't help his case, statistically. That's not even factoring in the possibility for... ED.
Should have gone with Remache.
I'm not a political expert about the DA universe but I can't see the Fereldan nobles sitting there and not raising arms with an Orlesian queen, especialy with Loghain alive and Anora, who is respected by commoner and noble both, pulling in favors and working her political magic. As for MoTA, while I don't know the specifics, I don't think we can use thwarted plans as a plus. Would have, could have, should have are irrelevant.
I'm neutral on who rules Orlais. I don't think either Celene or Gaspard is better or worse than the other but as a staunch Ferelden I'd rather put the worst one on the throne which would be...Briala?
Worst is all 3. But having Briala rule would be pretty humiliating for the empire
I'm not a political expert about the DA universe but I can't see the Fereldan nobles sitting there and not raising arms with an Orlesian queen, especialy with Loghain alive and Anora, who is respected by commoner and noble both, pulling in favors and working her political magic. As for MoTA, while I don't know the specifics, I don't think we can use thwarted plans as a plus. Would have, could have, should have are irrelevant.
I'm neutral on who rules Orlais. I don't think either Celene or Gaspard is better or worse than the other but as a staunch Ferelden I'd rather put the worst one on the throne which would be...Briala?
Yeah. There is no possible way that Eamon, Teagan, and the other nobles wouldn't rise up. Especially since Eamon knows about Alistair's birth. Hell, Loghain would be more than happy to use it.
Celene bit off way more than she could chew with her scheme.
Worst is all 3. But having Briala rule would be pretty humiliating for the empire
That alone makes it the most amusing option. Not to mention I like the idea of seeing Orlais tearing itself apart from the inside out.
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