Yeah. There is no possible way that Eamon, Teagan, and the other nobles wouldn't rise up. Especially since Eamon knows about Alistair's birth. Hell, Loghain would be more than happy to use it.
Celene bit off way more than she could chew with her scheme.
I thought that Eamon was the brains behind the scheme(on Ferelden's side atleast), he does have an Orlaisian wife himself afterall. Other than Redcliffe I think only the Couslands would support it. It would have eventually led to war anyhow.
Wouldn't it behoove her to marry someone more... fertile?
Why do think the issue is with the guy?
Heh and?
Celene is just about at the point where her blue thing turns brown if you catch my meaning.
She's in her early 40's.
Why do think the issue is with the guy?
What is "the issue" you're talking about? It's just a simple fact that age affects fertility in men (in more ways than one), and Gaspard is nearly 70 years old.
Why would they not?
Don't forget that Gaspard is also willing to betray the Inquisition.
So is Celene. Both would betray the Inquisition in a heartbeat if it meant a better position for Orlais.
Celene because she is a smashing dish!
Secondly I don't break my word. I told Josephine I will save the empress. So I did.
Gaspard?
Maybe he deserves the power. But I really hate those men who thinks army force is the only way to rule the world. Get out of the middelages.
I had evidence to blackmail both Celine, Gaspard and Briala but left Halamshiral with a stronger Celine united with Briala.
Florianne de Chalons (my little honey pot) is going to be my agent as soon as I judge her.
Doesn’t matter. I’m irritated they just brush Gaspard’s war-mongering—one of the few reasons to support Celene despite Gaspard being a better choice in the short term—under the mat.
To people saying that Celene doesn't care about miltary matters, remember this:
Celene was planning on marrying Cailan to get Ferelden. Considering that Gaider confirmed that if Cailan survived the blight, he would have divorced Anora and married Celene, that would have meant that Celene would have gotten Ferelden all without needing to use an army. Plus, she wanted to use Ferelden for its resources to battle Nevarra and Tevinter so she isn't dumb about ignoring them. Also, in MOTA, Celene would have gotten the names of every Qunari agent in Orlais had Hawke not interfered. In other words, had nothing gone wrong, Celene would have gotten Ferelden and the names of every qunari agent in Orlais all without needing an army. Can Gaspard match that?
Celene simply gave up on her plans for Ferelden because "Oh Cailans already Married"
Salit was the one who defected and reached out to Orlais, who was on the throne was irrelevent
Celene was the one who completely ignored everything going on in Kirkwall despite her influence over the chantry and white chantry thedas, We hear about how "All eyes are on Kirkwall now" But she simply watched and did nothing. These don't sound like the actions of a genius to me, quite the opposite in fact
I'm not a political expert about the DA universe but I can't see the Fereldan nobles sitting there and not raising arms with an Orlesian queen, especialy with Loghain alive and Anora, who is respected by commoner and noble both, pulling in favors and working her political magic. As for MoTA, while I don't know the specifics, I don't think we can use thwarted plans as a plus. Would have, could have, should have are irrelevant.
I'm neutral on who rules Orlais. I don't think either Celene or Gaspard is better or worse than the other but as a staunch Ferelden I'd rather put the worst one on the throne which would be...Briala?
Most of the nobles didn't unite behind Vanedrin in the last invasion
They didn't bother supporting his son Brandel in any large numbers
They didn't help Moira in any great numbers, Redcliffe was her biggest win.
It was only after Maric & Loghain's successes, and the incompetent tyrannical rulership of King Meghren who treated the nobles like absolute **** and resorted to the Chevaliers for everything that the rebellion started to get any traction.
Anora could possibly rally the nobility far more sucessfully than her predecessors but even so, Ferelden is still incredibly weakened by the 5th blight so they odds start out stacked against them.
I'd personally like to hear that Ferelden is doing something about its naval power, since the 1st invasion came by land and failed. It was only when the Orlesians came by sea and took Amaranthine that Ferelden fell.
Celene simply gave up on her plans for Ferelden because "Oh Cailans already Married"
Salit was the one who defected and reached out to Orlais, who was on the throne was irrelevent
Celene was the one who completely ignored everything going on in Kirkwall despite her influence over the chantry and white chantry thedas, We hear about how "All eyes are on Kirkwall now" But she simply watched and did nothing. These don't sound like the actions of a genius to me, quite the opposite in fact
1.She gave up her plans for Fereldin because Cailen was dead and her moving on to the new king made it look like a power play of an invasion to fereldins nobility.
2. Power with her and the chantry is give and take. She has influance but she can't make them do as she wants.
Gaspard?
Maybe he deserves the power. But I really hate those men who thinks army force is the only way to rule the world. Get out of the middelages.
But he lives in the middle ages? You want him to invent a time machine or something? lol
So is Celene. Both would betray the Inquisition in a heartbeat if it meant a better position for Orlais.
The only reason she still has power is because of the inquistion. She's hugging to it too closely to do that. Think about it. The only reason she does not do as she want with Orlais is because she does not want to lose the backing of the nobles. At this time the nobles are in the pocket of the inquisition politically and they fear it's power. As long and the inquisition backs her actions she can do as she wants.
But he lives in the middle ages? You want him to invent a time machine or something? lol
His thinking is that of near 1000 years ago of thedus. He back wards in a modern thedus.
1.She gave up her plans for Fereldin because Cailen was dead and her moving on to the new king made it look like a power play of an invasion to fereldins nobility.
2. Power with her and the chantry is give and take. She has influance but she can't make them do as she wants.
1. She says it was because he was already married in the masked empire
2. She can influence the chantry to such a degree as to get a mage divine elected but she can't influence them at all in regards to Kirkwall? (Cassandra states that she is considered for Divine because The Empire favors the Inquisitor and thus those close to them) But even so, she can do more beyond forcing the Chantry into action, she has power and influence of her own.
Instead, she does nothing.
His thinking is that of near 1000 years ago of thedus. He back wards in a modern thedus.
Expansionism was not dead in the feudal age.
"Modern Thedas" is in the feudal age. His thinking fits the time
Where do people get this idea that Gaspard is an idiot when it comes to ruling? He was raised since birth to be put on the throne lol, he's more than capable.
Celene simply gave up on her plans for Ferelden because "Oh Cailans already Married"
Salit was the one who defected and reached out to Orlais, who was on the throne was irrelevent
Celene was the one who completely ignored everything going on in Kirkwall despite her influence over the chantry and white chantry thedas, We hear about how "All eyes are on Kirkwall now" But she simply watched and did nothing. These don't sound like the actions of a genius to me, quite the opposite in fact
Most of the nobles didn't unite behind Vanedrin in the last invasion
They didn't bother supporting his son Brandel in any large numbers
They didn't help Moira in any great numbers, Redcliffe was her biggest win.
It was only after Maric & Loghain's successes, and the incompetent tyrannical rulership of King Meghren who treated the nobles like absolute **** and resorted to the Chevaliers for everything that the rebellion started to get any traction.
Anora could possibly rally the nobility far more sucessfully than her predecessors but even so, Ferelden is still incredibly weakened by the 5th blight so they odds start out stacked against them.
I'd personally like to hear that Ferelden is doing something about its naval power, since the 1st invasion came by land and failed. It was only when the Orlesians came by sea and took Amaranthine that Ferelden fell.
Playing DA:O I got the impression that the Fereldens despised the Orlesians. It's not been too many years since the war has it? I can't imagine people who fought for independence and lost friends, family members and maybe even towns being blase' about an Orlesian marrying into the crown.
Where do people get this idea that Gaspard is an idiot when it comes to ruling? He was raised since birth to be put on the throne lol, he's more than capable.
Because he was an idiot in being the Grand Duke.
Trying to start a war with Ferelden via Teagan (Warring with Ferelden isn't a bad idea, but he chose a bad time)
Revealing he had a lack of rulership skills and stating when he took the Imperial Crown he would have had to rely on Remache to rule (Weak Crown, Reliant on Chancellor...Not a good thing)
And the idea conscripting the Templars and Mages into War, This would have been a very risky move. Imo it may have worked if he played his cards right but it could just have easily (perhaps even more easily) blown up in his face
Expansionism was not dead in the feudal age.
"Modern Thedas" is in the feudal age. His thinking fits the time
Point to one country trying to expand there boraders out side of Tevinter and the qun?
And the time period for da is need end of gothic. Thedus is way too advance to be midevil.
Point to one country trying to expand there boraders out side of Tevinter and the qun?
And the time period for da is need end of gothic. Thedus is way too advance to be midevil.
Well 40 years ago we had the Orlaisian occupation. Its not like there have been any massive technological advantages since then to indicate the thedas leaving the medieval era.
There is Sebastian invading Kirkwall and Orzammar retaking old taigs, but I'm not sure if those count. We have 2 civil wars that are fought between a monarch and lower ranking feudal lords.
Because he was an idiot in being the Grand Duke.
Trying to start a war with Ferelden via Teagan (Warring with Ferelden isn't a bad idea, but he chose a bad time)
Revealing he had a lack of rulership skills and stating when he took the Imperial Crown he would have had to rely on Remache to rule (Weak Crown, Reliant on Chancellor...Not a good thing)
And the idea conscripting the Templars and Mages into War, This would have been a very risky move. Imo it may have worked if he played his cards right but it could just have easily (perhaps even more easily) blown up in his face
To add on to this, he was going to lose the war over a hot-blooded gambit.
This is, of course, assuming the negotiations would have occurred in a similar fashion without the involvement of Corypheus.
Playing DA:O I got the impression that the Fereldens despised the Orlesians. It's not been too many years since the war has it? I can't imagine people who fought for independence and lost friends, family members and maybe even towns being blase' about an Orlesian marrying into the crown.
True there are many elements among the nobility that despise the Orlesians, which is why Alistair/Anora would have an easier time organizing a defence than their predecessors (And Anora's far superior diplomatic skills to the Theirins =P) Which is why the Orlesians can't offord to put another idiot like Meghren in charge. But there are still many Orlesians among the Ferelden Nobility from the last occupation (Its stated Maric allowed some of them to keep their titles) and there are those with territories and vested interests on both sides of the border (As we see with the Ferelden noble during Sera's quest who had lands in Verchiel)
Ultimately though the war is for the crown, If the Fereldens take to many losses they may conclude the cause lost like they did with Brandel and start supporting the Orlesians. Or they might be bought by them if the price is right.
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