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[Monica21]

Don't forget that Gaspard is also willing to betray the Inquisition. 

 

Yes. I think that Gaspard is more likely to than Celene, actually.

[leaguer of one]

Gaspard will settle Orlais dispute with Ferelden, if you completed that peace talk war table mission. Yep, it succeeded since he pull his troop from Orlais-Ferelden border toward Orlais-Tevinter instead.

For now.

[InfinitePaths]

Gaspard is a better military tactician no, doubt.And his forces give more benefit to the Inquisition, no doubt.

 

But he is most certainly a poorer emperor than Celene in terms of giving prosperity to the empire.He knows next to nothing about laws, social dynamics, economy, etc.

[thesuperdarkone2]

For now.

Exactly. His entire reason for starting a war was so that Orlais would unite against a common enemy. If he doesn't start a war, what is he going to do? I've never heard Gaspard supporters say what Gaspard is going to do domestically to help Orlais that doesn't involve war.

[Solbranthius]

Yes. I think that Gaspard is more likely to than Celene, actually.

 

I doubt that. Celene betrayed her lover and her father. Gaspard is generally a lot more obvious when making his opinions known whilst also proving to be able to listen to reason such as where the war with Ferelden is concerned.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Gaspard is a better military tactician no, doubt.And his forces give more benefit to the Inquisition, no doubt.

 

But he is most certainly a poorer emperor than Celene in terms of giving prosperity to the empire.He knows next to nothing about laws, social dynamics, economy, etc.

Exactly. His rule essentially goes "Agree with me or I kill you" Does that sound like a good emperor?

[Monica21]

Gaspard is a better military tactician no, doubt.And his forces give more benefit to the Inquisition, no doubt.

 

But he is most certainly a poorer emperor than Celene in terms of giving prosperity to the empire.He knows next to nothing about laws, social dynamics, economy, etc.

 

Well, then I guess if one is thinking purely about immediacy and what the Inquisition needs right now, then Gaspard is the better choice. If one is thinking long-term, then Celene is the better choice.

 

Which then offers its own Inquisitorial dilemma. You're the Inquisitor and you have a job, and that's to defeat Corypheus. From an RP perspective, do you think long-term or do you think immediacy?

[InfinitePaths]

I can't understand how sjw 'freedom for everyone' william wallace wannabes can justify putting a viper like that on the throne. You people sicken me and are hypocritical to the bone.

 

/hyperbolic rant of teh dramaz!!

 

Celene is a viper that benefits the empire and knows what to do with the empire in regards to politics, economy, culture, society and progress.A viper of the game, a viper that will kill all opposition and lead Orlais into a bright future.

 

Gaspard is an arrogant parasite who knows nothing other than swinging a sword, he is good at it, but he is still inferior to Celene in terms of ruling the empire overall.

[InfinitePaths]

Well, then I guess if one is thinking purely about immediacy and what the Inquisition needs right now, then Gaspard is the better choice. If one is thinking long-term, then Celene is the better choice.

 

Which then offers its own Inquisitorial dilemma. You're the Inquisitor and you have a job, and that's to defeat Corypheus. From an RP perspective, do you think long-term or do you think immediacy?

 

Indeed, that is the question Bioware aimed to ask the player, if you ask me.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Well, then I guess if one is thinking purely about immediacy and what the Inquisition needs right now, then Gaspard is the better choice. If one is thinking long-term, then Celene is the better choice.

 

Which then offers its own Inquisitorial dilemma. You're the Inquisitor and you have a job, and that's to defeat Corypheus. From an RP perspective, do you think long-term or do you think immediacy?

Don't forget that if you talk to Celene's handmaidens, you also find out that she plans on offering you connections to the Anderfels, Rivain, and Antiva. If you reconcile her with Briala, you also get Briala's spies and possibly her eluvian network (If it was actually mentioned @.@). Celene and Briala also offer you other rewards apart from military forces.

[thesuperdarkone2]

No. Celene has no character or integrity. I could care less about her policies or Orlais. And she's terrible at the game as proven by TME and Inquisition. She murders an alienage - to say face.

 

If that's the price of freedom then call me Toby.

Only because Gaspard forced her hand. She originally just wanted to assassinate the noble who was starting the riot but Gaspard is the one who forced her to do it. Funny how people oppose her for the alienage thing yet still support Gaspard and act like he wouldn't do the same thing in a heartbeat.

Also, you just proved you support Gaspard because he's not Celene. Just shows the true character of Gaspard supporters. Short-minded to the end.

[InfinitePaths]

No. Celene has no character or integrity. I could care less about her policies or Orlais. And she's terrible at the game as proven by TME and Inquisition. She murders an alienage - to say face.

 

If that's the price of freedom then call me Toby.

 

No, you don't understand.

 

1.)She didn't lose at the game.She lost at military tactics, Gaspard did the smart thing and played a game on his own rules, a game Celene was unfamiliar with.From the game standpoint, burning Halamshiral made perfect sense, it would crush the rumors and would gain Celene all the support she needed against Gaspard.But what she wasn't thinking about was number of soldiers etc. because she isn't good at that.Gaspard outsmarted her, but not at the game, he outsmarted her from a combat/tactics perspective.If Briala was on Celene's side she might have given her advice, but the plot needed her to go away lol.

 

2.)Burning Halamshiral isn't such an immoral horrible thing to do as many people say.It was a revolution, almost all revolutions are silenced like that.Gaspard would have done the same without thinking twice.The elves rebelled, she ended the rebelion with blood, just like any emperor would do.At least she tried to do otherwise.

 

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You can clearly see how immensely skilled Celene is in the game in her epilouge.If she wasn't so profoundly capable, brilliant and witty, she would have died in Halamshiral 100%.

[InfinitePaths]

 Gaspard has no beef with elves. They're inconsequential to him. 

 

Accepting the societal norm that elves are second class citizens and treating them as such with no afterthought is still racist.

 

Imagine if today let's say...white men were exclusively allowed to live in the slums and killing them was allowed by law and you just said(assuming you're not a white man) "meh, who cares, I don't care about this huge injustice, let them suffer.".

 

Such ignorance is still racist.Gaspard even said terms like "Elves have to place in politics" to the Elven Inquisitor.He clearly sees elves as second class citizens.His ignorance and acceptance of crimes against elves is racist.He is completely indiffrent to elves dying and suffering all around him and has no need to change it, in fact, he justifies it and thinks of it as just "the way things are."

[Bob Walker]

How essencial is Celene being alive (specifically), considering the necessity to prevent the alternative future seen by the Inquisitor during the mage path? Wasn't that the reason to do the mission at the Winter Palace, to begin with?

[leaguer of one]

So. I'll take a bigot over someone who kills my people to earn brownie points at her next tea party... after promising to liberate my people.

You'll take a person who would also do it over a person who did it?

[thesuperdarkone2]

So. I'll take a bigot over someone who kills my people to earn brownie points at her next tea party... after promising to liberate my people.

The average Gaspard supporter everyone! Who cares about policies or future, I'm supporting this person regardless of whatever they do because I think the other person sucks. Who cares about what the person I support does, just that he isn't the other person.

 

Seems like Gaspard supporters don't think for the future. Only that he isn't Celene. At least we Celene supporters actually think about the future rather than being short-sighted.

[thesuperdarkone2]

How essencial is Celene being alive (specifically), considering the necessity to prevent the alternative future seen by the Inquisitor during the mage path? Wasn't that the reason to do the mission at the Winter Palace, to begin with?

You're originally there to save Celene but your advisors argue that you only need peace in Orlais and some argue that Celene isn't necessary for peace. Thus, you can let her die so that someone else can lead Orlais since Gaspard is apparently tried for treason in the bad future, thereby meaning that Orlais is leaderless and falls. I consider Celene to get the best endings if you reconcile her with Briala or execute Gaspard and Briala.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

How essencial is Celene being alive (specifically), considering the necessity to prevent the alternative future seen by the Inquisitor during the mage path? Wasn't that the reason to do the mission at the Winter Palace, to begin with?

As said by someone with a common sense in the BSN before. Unless you played a brain dead moron with no agency, objectives can always changes. Your job is to keep Orlais from falling apart, Gaspard or Briala can emerged victories and Orlais still intact. Your advisor even suggesting it doesn't have to be Celene, and you're not Orlesian secret service anyway.

[Ryriena]

How essencial is Celene being alive (specifically), considering the necessity to prevent the alternative future seen by the Inquisitor during the mage path? Wasn't that the reason to do the mission at the Winter Palace, to begin with?

Not much since you still win and face down Corynphus so go for Gaspard and Briala working together and make sure to give her the blackmail on Gaspard to keep her alive.