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[InfinitePaths]

How essencial is Celene being alive (specifically), considering the necessity to prevent the alternative future seen by the Inquisitor during the mage path? Wasn't that the reason to do the mission at the Winter Palace, to begin with?

 

The Chaos happens because 1.)Celene dies, 2.)Gaspard is blamed for it and 3.)Briala is like: "Fu*k Yes, chaos is great for elves!"

 

In Wicked Eyes and Wicked hearts you can change these events.

 

1.)Celene doesn't have to die.

2.)Gaspard doesn't have to get blaimed for it.

3.)Briala can work towards regaining order via working with the Inquisition/ having the emperor around her little finger.

[InfinitePaths]

So. I'll take a bigot over someone who kills my people to earn brownie points at her next tea party... after promising to liberate my people.

 

She doesn't kill elves regulary because she wants to.She killed them because of necessity.Even Briala understood that because in the long term Celene wants to and will helm the elves.It's just that she did what had to be done.

[Ryriena]

You're originally there to save Celene but your advisors argue that you only need peace in Orlais and some argue that Celene isn't necessary for peace. Thus, you can let her die so that someone else can lead Orlais since Gaspard is apparently tried for treason in the bad future, thereby meaning that Orlais is leaderless and falls. I consider Celene to get the best endings if you reconcile her with Briala or execute Gaspard and Briala.

When two advisors say you should let her die then I say let's follow my advisors advice, since only one is saying we should keep Celene alive.

[Monica21]

Don't forget that if you talk to Celene's handmaidens, you also find out that she plans on offering you connections to the Anderfels, Rivain, and Antiva. If you reconcile her with Briala, you also get Briala's spies and possibly her eluvian network (If it was actually mentioned @.@). Celene and Briala also offer you other rewards apart from military forces.

I know this is possible, but I've been through Wicked Eyes twice and have no idea how to get this ending.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

The Chaos happens because Celene dies, Gaspard is blamed for it and Briala is like: "Fu*k Yes, chaos is great for elves!"

Orlais fall to infighting until Corypheus's demon army deliver the killing blow to it. The Inquisition can prevent Celene's assassination entirely or prevent Gaspard from becoming scapegoat so that he can take the throne and lead Orlais (or becoming Briala's puppet instead). Regardless if the Inquisition is at Halamshiral, and no matter who you sided with Cory's plan is foiled.

[InfinitePaths]

Short sighted. No. It's called having morals. My soul isn't for sale. Unlike some people in this thread who use the LGBT insert - for that sake alone - to justify her evil.

 

Celene could be a non-white non-practicing Muslim, and I still wouldn't support her, because of who she is and what she's done. This 'ends justify the means' attitude should be approached with caution instead of being used as a tool to justify every decision you deem that suit your RL or fake politics that you deem 'righteous'.

Who said anything about her being a lesbian apart from you?You're using urelated things to serve your "agenda" (the word so many people love to use.)

 

I also have morals and I completely understand Celene as a moral person and I would be friends with her IRL.My arbitary sense of morality tells me she is a good person, yours may not, we are all different.But all of this is unrelated to the fact of who is the better leader of Orlais.And Celene definiely is, she can lead Orlais to prosperity(I have already written in my previous posts how she may do so), especially with Briala and the power of teleportation.

 

I find Gaspard very immoral.All of the "moral" things he had done weren't done because of his genuine empathy and kind heart but because he was brainwashed as a kid/teenager together with Michel to follow this ridiculous bigoted Chevalier code.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I know this is possible, but I've been through Wicked Eyes twice and have no idea how to get this ending.

 

 

I consider that the best ending. Orlais is resurgent with culture and elves will gain more rights.

[Ryriena]

Short sighted. No. It's called having morals. My soul isn't for sale. Unlike some people in this thread who use the LGBT insert - for that sake alone - to justify her evil.

Celene could be a non-white non-practicing Muslim, and I still wouldn't support her, because of who she is and what she's done. This 'ends justify the means' attitude should be approached with caution instead of being used as a tool to justify every decision that suits your RL politics or fake politics that you deem 'righteous'.

Kind of like the Tea parties whom pick fake poltical leaders that they deem righteous and good. However, they then will end up saying somthing stupid and or end up in a bathroom with their gay lover.




This is just like the Celene option just becuase she seems righteous and the better option she would get picked a lot. However, she killed 3,000 people over a play and killed her own lover parents and lied about the act for twenty years over the fact her lover had killed a noble and was trying to save face and gain brownie points with the Nobles. They sound so better than Gaspard but I alway pick Briala and Gaspard to rule as her puppet it works out.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Kind of like the Tea parties whom pick fake poltical leaders that they deem righteous and good. However, they then will end up saying somthing stupid and or end up in a bathroom with their gay lover.


This is just like the Celene option just becuase she seems righteous and the better option she would get picked a lot. However, she killed 3,000 people over a play and killed her own lover parents and lied about the act for twenty years over the fact her lover had killed a noble and was trying to save face and gain brownie points with the Nobles.

And Gaspard kills anyone who disagrees with him and plans on starting a war that will no doubt kill lots of people. 

[InfinitePaths]

Kind of like the Tea parties whom pick fake poltical leaders that they deem righteous and good. However, they then will end up saying somthing stupid and or end up in a bathroom with their gay lover.


This is just like the Celene option just becuase she seems righteous and the better option she would get picked a lot. However, she killed 3,000 people over a play and killed her own lover parents and lied about the act for twenty years over the fact her lover had killed a noble and was trying to save face and gain brownie points with the Nobles.

 

In the grand scheme of the orlesian game that play wasn't just a play.That play had more power and influence than an army of 5000 people.Celene did what any ruler would do(including Gaspard) to end a rebelion, + she did it because the game demanded so.It wasn't some inconcequential decision she made like: "Welp, you know what I feel like doing today?Burning 3000 people because that play didn't amuse me."No, her entire empire depended on her course of action.

 

About killing Bria's parents.Celene was a 16 year old girl with parents who were recently killed.She was either going to die or sit on the throne.Imagine what these things could do to a mind of a teenager.She did what she had to do, she made a hard, cold necessary decision.And she restored Orlais from dust after she ascended to the throne.It's a cruel world, though she won against the odds and seized the throne at the age of 16.A very unfortunate, but necessary decision.

 

She had to lie to Bria, otherwise she would lose her, I understand Celene completely.

[Deanna]

I choose Celene most of the time. She's been the Empress for a long time and Orlais loves her. She works for peace and wants the common folk to be able to attend their academy of knowledge, hell I believe she even wants to better the lives of the city elves. She can be cold and ruthless when needed and she deals with threats swiftly.

Gaspard wants the Orlesian Throne in TME, I think at one point Gaspard and Celene's champion dual for it or something. But in the game when Celene dies and the Duchess is like "I did this for you, brother" he's completely shocked and acts as if he didn't want that to happen. And plus doesn't Gaspard hate Ferelden and wants to invade them again, and Celene on the other hand looks to strengthen the friendship between Orlais and Ferelden.

Oh and also I noticed when you get to the Arbor Wilds if you chose Celene she is their with her troops and the inquisition. You even hear Josie ask her if she'd be more comfortable further away from the front lines and Celene says "We can not send our soldiers where we ourselves fear to go." And if you side with Gaspard he's not even there (or I didn't see him)

Yea Celene for sure, she is better for Orlais, I believe. And if you haven't read TME yet you should, that's when I came to really like Celene and when the book ended I thought to myself "man I hope she keeps the throne" so I was really excited that we got to decide in the matter.

[Milan92]

I'm still not really sure who I really want to support.

 

My biggest grip with choosing Gaspard is that I can't verbally smackdown Florianne. You're forced to fight her. 

[Ryriena]

And Gaspard kills anyone who disagrees with him and plans on starting a war that will no doubt kill lots of people.

So what? It's not like other polticals leaders haven't done the same in real life like Ronald Reagan or how about the dimwit that is Bush jr. who started a war to save face, since Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 but went to war with them anyway. That is the nature of any war since the Iraq war killed over 300,000 mostly civilians only 50k were soilders by the last time I cheacked the stats that could be higher now.

[Master Warder Z_]

And if you side with Gaspard he's not even there (or I didn't see him)

How did you manage that?

He fights alongside the party until the first blockade.

He's fighting a behemoth on the path you travel by himself and winning.

[Deanna]

Oh, damn. No shite? Yea how did I miss that? D'oh moment

[thesuperdarkone2]

Celene forced to kill elves who rebel after failing to find a way to resolve this some other way- OMG monster, she must die!

 

Gaspard never trying diplomacy and killing anyone who rebels against him- Nobody cares

 

Wut.

[InfinitePaths]

Yeah, if Gaspard hated Fereldans so much he wouldn't have hired a company of Fereldan mercenaries. He patches things up with Alistair/Anora. This war mongerer thing is bs. Gaspard is a military leader so of course he'd be willing to respond if provoked. Doesn't automatically make him confrontational. He uses the threats from other nations (which are legitimate threats) as the crux of his power base while Celene uses lies and false promises - and reneges on them, terribly. However when Alistair asks for a sit down the Chevalier are redirected towards Tevinter, who allowed a bunch of crazed cultists to attack his nation and almost destroy the world. He's more reasonable than these 'power to the people... at all costs' types make him out to be. 

Yeah, no matter if he got over his desire to invade Ferelden, the fact remains he is not nearly as competent at diplomacy or ruling an empire as Celene.He may be somewhat of a reasonable man, that doesn't make him moral and competent.

 

 really like Celene and when the book ended I thought to myself "man I hope she keeps the throne" so I was really excited that we got to decide in the matter.

 

A little bit off topic, but wasn't TME such a great book?It was one of the best books I have ever read, kudos to Patrick Weeks.The moment when the *SPOILERS* great beast grabbed Michel I gasped, and then I gasped even more when Celene went under the beast to save him.It was so intense.

 

And the last chapter broke my heart.I was staring at my bedroom wall for 20 minutes after the last chapter, it left such a powerful an effect on me.

[Ryriena]

Celene forced to kill elves who rebel after failing to find a way to resolve this some other way- OMG monster, she must die!

Gaspard never trying diplomacy and killing anyone who rebels against him- Nobody cares

Wut.

Oh please she killed them to gain brownie points with the nobles

Here comes some reason saying I don't understand her charcter in three two one..........

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I'm still not really sure who I really want to support.
 
My biggest grip with choosing Gaspard is that I can't verbally smackdown Florianne. You're forced to fight her. 

Think about the Loot! and Florianne being dead give you more influence than alive, and that box judging scene is hilarious.

[Barquiel]

Reconciling Celene and Briala is the best ending imo. There's no real downside to it: you have a stable Orlais, elves get more rights, Briala is being raised to noble status, alliance with the inquisition, lovers are reunited...everyone is happy! Except Gaspard. But he is a powerhungry, hypocritical, warmongering jerk, so he deserved it. And Gaspard not trying to invade Ferelden doesn't change the fact that the only thing he wants to change about Orlais is who rules it (Answer: Him). Beyond that, he has no interest in reforming Orlais. His racism (elves have no place in politics, calling Briala "rabbit") doesn't help either.

[Milan92]

Think about the Loot! and Florianne being dead give you more influence than alive, and that box judging scene is hilarious.

 

But I can't tell her "Welcome to MY party!"

[SerBlacky]

Short sighted. No. It's called having morals. My soul isn't for sale. Unlike some people in this thread who use the LGBT insert - for that sake alone - to justify her evil.

 

Celene could be a non-white non-practicing Muslim, and I still wouldn't support her, because of who she is and what she's done. This 'ends justify the means' attitude should be approached with caution instead of being used as a tool to justify every decision that suits your RL politics or fake politics that you deem 'righteous'.

How is Celene being gay even relevant here?

It's as stupid as if I said people supports Gaspard because he is apparently, (since he had a wife) a straight white male.

 

As for the OP question, I favor Celene & Briala.

 

Having read TME, Briala being named Marquise of the Dales was an awesome moment (and I believe it's a better long term solution for elves, as Briala ruling through Gaspard seems a bit too chaotic).

 

Edit: I barred the white because I don't like this term too much

Modifié par SerBlacky, 19 janvier 2015 - 05:14 .