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[InfinitePaths]

If he can bait Celene - Grandmaster of the Grand Game - into losing her cool and killing 3,000 elves she's promised freedom to I'd say he's more competent than you want to admit.

 

He baited her because she is a noob at military tactics and her most trusted advisor was gone.He won at that front, absolutely.

 

Killing 3000 elves was a necessity any ruler would do.You at least need to give her points for wanting to do otherwise, while other rulers wouldn't care about elves at all.Her long term goal was to help the elves, even after she did burn Halamshiral, even Briala understood that.

 

He may be highly competent at military stuff, but he isn't a good ruler.

[Timpants]

Celene definitely, the devil you know and all that. She's a known quantity, she's ruled Orlais for 20 years and from all the evidence done a good job of it. We have little idea how well Gaspard will rule and the evidence we do get in TME, where is he first introduced trying to start a war, is that he's quite happy to get the people he's wanting to rule over killed so he can get his own way. At least Celene tried to punish the noble responsible for the unrest in Halamshiral killed first and only killed the elves when Gaspard forced her hand. For Gaspard, force is the first resort and not the last it seems. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Beyond that, he has no interest in reforming Orlais.

You couldn't be more wrong.

He would redevote Orlais to what makes it the cleanest, purest expression of Humanity, to create you must destroy.

He would reforge a culture that has grown stagnant and sour into the greatest Empire in the known world again.

How people can insist that's a negative I'll never understand.

[InfinitePaths]

He would redevote Orlais to what makes it the cleanest, purest expression of Humanity, 
 

 

The man is completely uneducated and inexperienced in social, cultural stuff.+ he is a bigoted, racist hypocrite.Purest expression of humanity?Hahah, what?He doesn't care about the elves, common folk and he has no idea how to reform anything.

[InfinitePaths]

I don't even know what to say anymore. People are now claiming that militarism isn't part of running a nation, especially one like Orlais is depicted to be. It's like trying to convince someone that you don't need dough to make a pizza.

 

Of course militarism is part of a nation, no one is saying it isn't.We are merely claiming it isn't the only one, and it is the only one Gaspard is competent at.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I don't even know what to say anymore. People are now claiming that militarism isn't part of running a nation, especially one like Orlais is depicted to be. It's like trying to convince someone that you don't need dough to make a pizza.

There's a difference between what Celene is doing and what Gaspard intends to do. Celene doesn't want to get rid of the military, she just doesn't need or want to use it as much. Gaspard doesn't even focus on anything except war. What does he intend to do socially, culturally, or politically that doesn't involve war? Gaspard only cares about military matters. Someone like that shouldn't be in charge of running a nation.

[InfinitePaths]

As proved by his redirecting his Chevaliers on the Fereldan and Nevarran borders towards the Tevinter border after negotiating treaties with them? Are you serious Infinite?

 

Oh my!He didn't do completely irrational thing and did the fairly reasonable diplomatic/strategic decision!Oh my, he is the perfect leader!!

[thesuperdarkone2]

As proved by his redirecting his Chevaliers on the Fereldan and Nevarran borders towards the Tevinter border after negotiating treaties with them? Are you serious Infinite?

You forget the Inquisition had to get involved. Says something when an outside power is the one who has to make you do  the smart thing.

[Solbranthius]

You forget the Inquisition had to get involved. Says something when an outside power is the one who has to make you do  the smart thing.

 

The Inquisition is only there in the first place due to Gaspard's invitation. Attempts to secure an audience with Celene failed repeatedly due to assassins prior to that point.

[thesuperdarkone2]

He also didn't start a pogrom. Guess he's not suited to rule.

Let's see, making death threats to people who won't support him, claiming that there will be peace after he executes some people, planning on starting wars, and killing everyone who rebels against him. Gee, what an upstanding guy /s

[InfinitePaths]

Secure borders would still allow arts and culture to flourish. Difference being that in Celene's regime it'd be government sponsored. You really aren't selling me on anything. And on paper Gaspard is still more of a stand up person than Celene.

Well I'm not sold either.Your only argument is really that he has a brilliant military mind and that he can secure borders.Celene and Briala can do such much more!

 

The literary have teleportation, imagine what teleportation can do to trade and culture and Celene is dealing with Orlais and politics her entire life and rose Orlais from it's ashes.She also fights for the rights of the people, and societal revolution.Gaspard cares not for the people or internal politics, literary his only trait is military expertise.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Uh, Ferelden and Orlais go to war if Celene is Empress and you ignore the War Table op...

And where does this happen? The peace option if Celene rules outright says that the peace treaty went easily since Orlais never had any intention of starting a war with Ferelden if she rules. Don't forget how Cullen says that Celene is opposed because she supports PEACE with Ferelden and Nevarra. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

More proof of her incompetence.

"Elves have no place in politics", calls Briala a rabbit

 

Said Gaspard to an elven Inquisitor

 

Gaspard went full derp.

[FiveThreeTen]

OP, Gaspard is presented ingame as more military focused but it has no influence over the course of the game. You still get the same Orlesian army to fight for you in the Arbored Wilds (even if you make Briala the true power behind Gaspard).

The only difference is in the Epilogues where his military focus can be directed at Tevinter if you do the wartable mission.

 

I don't see Gaspard as an evil twirling mustache vilain but he is the one who started the Civil War in the 1st place. Sure he had some supporters among the nobility and the army, but I don't see how it proves Celene's incompetence. It proves she made a strategic mistake at one point and that Gaspard was opportunist enough to exploit it. She did a good job at ruling Orlais so far since Florian disastrous rule.

 

Personally I prefer Celene/Briala;

Orlais is still strong and favors cultural development/diplomatic relations with other nations while elves can gain more rights (albeit more slowly) with Briala.

 

Plus, it's completely unrelated (and shouldn't be counted as a good reason if you don't care about loot), but you get an extra Amulet of power for your Inquisitor after completing their War Table mission following the Ball.

[thesuperdarkone2]

She didn't raise anything from the ashes. She put a coat of paint on a half-burned shed sold every idiot sycophant on how great it is.

Read World of Thedas. The book outright says that Celene restored Orlais to power after the Ferelden Rebellion succeded which crippled Orlais. That shows evidence that focusing on military matters only can do more harm than good.

[thesuperdarkone2]

It happens in the ****** game. If you ignore Alistair's/Anora's letter, regardless of who sits on the Imperial throne, Ferelden and Orlais go to war....

No it doesn't. Celene never planned on going to war with Ferelden. The peace option if Celene rules is only intended to make the peace official as Celene never had any intentions of an invasion. Gaspard is the only one who WILL invade Ferelden if the peace option isn't taken. Unless you give proof, you are just making stuff up.