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#151
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Because Gaspard supporters rely on metagaming and don't know the concept of role-playing.

 

And you fools smugly ignore her crimes against the city elves to impose her rule, and it's so deliciously ironic considering that's the exact argument you use against Gaspard "killing anyone that get's in his way". Your arguments are meaningless and invalid.


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#152
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Even if I did know, I still wouldn't care. I'm the Inquisitor and I'm there to get support for the Inquisition. I'm not there to help Celene and Briala work through their private life.

This. I reconciled them because my Inquisitor agreed that Celene brought peace and that Gaspard should never get close to the throne, and thought that reconciling the two would bring peace and give elves more rights. Whether the relationship works or not is not my Inquisitor's problem.



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And you fools smugly ignore her crimes against the city elves to impose her rule, and it's so deliciously ironic considering that's the exact argument you use against Gaspard "killing anyone that get's in his way". Your arguments are meaningless and invalid.

Crimes against elves yet you support a guy who is openly racist against elves, is part of a group that kills an elf as an initiation, and who plans to start a war and kill anyone who opposes him. Celene didn't want to purge the alienage and tried to assassinate the one who was causing the trouble so the alienage wouldn't be purged. The difference between the two is that Celene at least tried to stop it while Gaspard wouldn't have even looked for another way and would have purged the alienage without a second thought. 

 

Funny how Gaspard supporters rely on emotion rather than logic most of the time. Seems more like you are the fool.



#154
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Gaspard, because Gaspard isn't Celene.


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Gaspard, because Gaspard isn't Celene.

This should become the motto of the Gaspard supporters because when it comes down to it, this is literally all their arguments in a sentence. Also, you're too late as the OP already chose to reconcile Celene and Briala. You've lost.



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And you fools smugly ignore her crimes against the city elves to impose her rule, and it's so deliciously ironic considering that's the exact argument you use against Gaspard "killing anyone that get's in his way". Your arguments are meaningless and invalid.


Actually, what I'm getting from this discussion is that Gaspard is the one most likely to turn on the Inquisition for his own gain once the immediate threat is resolved. And truthfully, that's all I care about. Yes, I need troops, but who can I count on to help rebuild once the immediate threat is over? If Gaspard is turning his forces anywhere, Ferelden or Tevinter, then putting him on the throne is useless to me.

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This should become the motto of the Gaspard supporters because when it comes down to it, this is literally all their arguments in a sentence. Also, you're too late as the OP already chose to reconcile Celene and Briala. You've lost.

Lol, I'll survive.



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Actually, what I'm getting from this discussion is that Gaspard is the one most likely to turn on the Inquisition for his own gain once the immediate threat is resolved. And truthfully, that's all I care about. Yes, I need troops, but who can I count on to help rebuild once the immediate threat is over? If Gaspard is turning his forces anywhere, Ferelden or Tevinter, then putting him on the throne is useless to me.

 

Quite the contrary. He is rather predictable. Gaspard makes an much easier puppet to manipulate then Celene.



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I know why, but I'd probably get banned for being honest.

Please let us know, I'm genuinely curious.

 

And you fools smugly ignore her crimes against the city elves to impose her rule, and it's so deliciously ironic considering that's the exact argument you use against Gaspard "killing anyone that get's in his way". Your arguments are meaningless and invalid.

Nobody is ignoring that she purged an Alienage to quell down a rebellion.

I don't forget either that Gaspard bemoans to Briala in TME that he was so disappointed he had been redirected to go kill some Dakspawn instead of Dalish elves.

 

I also suspect that if Celene hadn't put down the rebellion, she would have been accused of being too soft. This "Celene is the spawn of all evilz" argment is ridiculous.



#160
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Neither personally, until I find out who ends up the better ruler. As far as I know, Celene + Briala=better for Orlais, for now.
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Please let us know, I'm genuinely curious.

 

The people that matter already know. Luckily, I'm not here to satisfy your curiosity.



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Wrong, first off, Gaspard's ending says that the reason rebellions aren't occurring are because his opponents are afraid of the Inquisition but the ending then says that it's only a matter of time before they've had enough and will rebel against Gaspard.

 

If Celene rules alone, Celene doesn't need the Inquisition but will continue to support it as both benefit. Look at it.

"Fortunately for Celene, her gratitude towards the Inquisition has remained strong. Some claim she clings too tightly to the alliance - others know it is all that stands between her and defeat.

 

Her subjects approve of the alliance even if some claim it is the only reason she yet clings to power."  

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Quite the contrary. He is rather predictable. Gaspard makes an much easier puppet to manipulate then Celene.


Being predictable is not the same as being a puppet. Can you elaborate?

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I don't argue with biased circle jerks who fabricate 'truths' so that they can justify selling their mothers for the 'greater good'.

Funny since what you said can also apply to you and Gaspard supporters.



#165
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"Fortunately for Celene, her gratitude towards the Inquisition has remained strong. Some claim she clings too tightly to the alliance - others know it is all that stands between her and defeat.

 

Her subjects approve of the alliance even if some claim it is the only reason she yet clings to power."  

 

Funny how you ignore the ending where she doesn't have a potential threat.



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Actually, what I'm getting from this discussion is that Gaspard is the one most likely to turn on the Inquisition for his own gain once the immediate threat is resolved. And truthfully, that's all I care about. Yes, I need troops, but who can I count on to help rebuild once the immediate threat is over? If Gaspard is turning his forces anywhere, Ferelden or Tevinter, then putting him on the throne is useless to me.

The vibe I got when siding with big gman was that it was the beginning of a beutiful bromance. Me and gman are gona spend the aftermath of inquisition riding through a field of flowers, trampling Tevinter filth and Navarran corpse shaggers beneath our mighty army. King Al can come too.


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The people that matter already know. Luckily, I'm not here to satisfy your curiosity.

Then why mention it in the first place?

 

But 'k whatever.



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A wise man once told me don't argue with fools. From a distance people can't tell which is whom.



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Then why mention it in the first place?

 

But 'k whatever.

Because he can't come up with any way to rebutt our arguments and simply thinks that anyone who supports Celene is a SJW who only supports her because she's gay. Face it, he can't rebutt arguments and just chooses to insult anyone who doesnt' agree with him.


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Then why mention it in the first place?

 

But 'k whatever.

 

Because I wasn't talking to you?



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And you fools smugly ignore her crimes against the city elves to impose her rule, and it's so deliciously ironic considering that's the exact argument you use against Gaspard "killing anyone that get's in his way". Your arguments are meaningless and invalid.


She put down an uprising. An uprising which was killing innocent humans. Anora does exactly the same thing if you have her as the sole ruler of Ferelden. She has to put down an Elven rebellion. And had Gaspard not tried to paint her as beholden to elves the uprising would probably have ended with the assassination.
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Actually, what I'm getting from this discussion is that Gaspard is the one most likely to turn on the Inquisition for his own gain once the immediate threat is resolved. And truthfully, that's all I care about. Yes, I need troops, but who can I count on to help rebuild once the immediate threat is over? If Gaspard is turning his forces anywhere, Ferelden or Tevinter, then putting him on the throne is useless to me.

 

The man who dislikes the game and follows a very strict code of honor is more likely to turn on you than the woman who killed an alienage full of elves to keep up appearances in the game?

 

Na... don't think so.


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#173
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That remains my grip with the relationship. How can that ever become healthy again?

 

How can you live beign in a relationship with a person knowing that they killed your parents for personal gain.

 

Briala understands the game, and understands how cruel it is.She may never forgive Celene, but she can understand.That's how I see it.

And you fools smugly ignore her crimes against the city elves to impose her rule, and it's so deliciously ironic considering that's the exact argument you use against Gaspard "killing anyone that get's in his way". Your arguments are meaningless and invalid.

Crimes against the city elves?An empress ends a rebellion, OMG A CRIME, someone ended a rebellion.Wut, wut, wut?What is so suprising, leaders do it all the time and Gaspard would do it without hesitation.

 

The fact remains, Celene will work towards helping the elves while Gaspard as proven over and over again is inferior in ruling Orlais in many areas and Celene and Briala have much more power, experience, skill and PORTALS!

A wise man once told me don't argue with fools. From a distance people can't tell which is whom.

 

You can't fight our arguments so you call us fools?Amusing.



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Funny how you ignore the ending where she doesn't have a potential threat.

Funny how you ignore the one she does despite the fact we're not even sure what lead to the one we're fond of which could even be determined by Court Approval as far as we know and thus, be entirely independent from Celene and her supposed brilliance.



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The man who dislikes the game and follows a very strict code of honor is more likely to turn on you than the woman who killed an alienage full of elves to keep up appearances in the game?

 

Na... don't think so.

He killed his most powerful ally because of his code and in some endings he betrays the Inquisition. What if his code required him to do something that brought him in direct opposition to the Inqusition?