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[MisterJB]

Ok, seriously, what exactly is preventing Gaspard from torturing the password out of Briala?

Because you're acting like you need her genetic code to open the Eluvians or something.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Ok, seriously, what exactly is preventing Gaspard from torturing the password out of Briala?

Because you're acting like you need her genetic code to open the Eluvians or something.

Well, Celene built her own eluvian. What has Gaspard done?

[Monica21]

The man who dislikes the game and follows a very strict code of honor is more likely to turn on you than the woman who killed an alienage full of elves to keep up appearances in the game?

Na... don't think so.

It's not that, it's that he's more interested in power for the sake of power. He will pick a fight (or war) with someone just to expand Orlesian influence, but mostly his own influence. Once the threat is over, Gaspard has no use for your petty Inquisition regardless of whether it put him on the throne.

[SerBlacky]

Because he can't come up with any way to rebutt our arguments and simply thinks that anyone who supports Celene is a SJW who only supports her because she's gay. Face it, he can't rebutt arguments and just chooses to insult anyone who doesnt' agree with him.

I won't put words into his month but it's the impression I got.

 

Because I wasn't talking to you?

This is a forum, I just asked you a question about a thing you said. You don't want to answer, it's fine.

[InfinitePaths]

Ok, seriously, what exactly is preventing Gaspard from torturing the password out of Briala?

Because you're acting like you need her genetic code to open the Eluvians or something.

 

Gaspard said Briala will be killed if you put him on the throne.He isn't cunning enough to recognize the potential of the eluvians.He doesn't approve of torture, at least the torture of "honorable" privileged human soldiers, so I'm not sure about Briala.

[leaguer of one]

Quite the contrary. He is rather predictable. Gaspard makes an much easier puppet to manipulate then Celene.

But Celene will always cling to the inquisition for power.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Ok, seriously, what exactly is preventing Gaspard from torturing the password out of Briala?

Because you're acting like you need her genetic code to open the Eluvians or something.

Maybe his own code that says he doesn't torture his enemies? If he did torture Briala, that would make him a gigantic hypocrite whose code only applies to certain people.

[MoonDrummer]

Well, Celene built her own eluvian. What has Gaspard done?

Outmanouvered Celene's forces and trapped her in Halamshiral?

[leaguer of one]

I'm not proud but I am certain.

Gaspard will accomplish much.

By burning all the thedus in war.

[thesuperdarkone2]

But Celene will always cling to the inquisition for power.

Not if Gaspard and Briala are executed in which case she supports the Inquisition because both sides benefit.

[Barquiel]

The man who dislikes the game and follows a very strict code of honor is more likely to turn on you than the woman who killed an alienage full of elves to keep up appearances in the game?
 
Na... don't think so.

Gaspard is a racist (remember: elves have no place in politics) who has already broke his oath of loyalty to Celene for no good reason. So what would he care about an oath made to an elf whom he thinks are below humans in the first place. I wouldn't trust him to keep his word.

[InfinitePaths]

But Celene will always cling to the inquisition for power.

 

No, that epilouge quote is dependand on doing war table mission.It can happen to all rulers.

 

"Barely clings to power" "would fall without the Inquisition" "Both parties benefit from the alliance" Icy reception..."

 

These paraphrased quotes are not based on which ruler you picked.

[MisterJB]

Gaspard said Briala will be killed.He isn't cunning enough to recognize the potential of the eluvians.He doesn't approve of torture, at least the torture of "honorable" privileged human soldiers.

He already recognized the value of the Eluvians in the book; he told Celene he fully intended to use them but whereas Celene would arm elves with silverite and have them travel alone, Gaspard would just use elves as guides for orlesian forces; and you can even find a letter of him to Celene where he claims the Eluvians can win not only the civil war but all wars.

A five year old would recognize the potential of the eluvians.

 

I do not doubt Briala will be killed but that doesn't exclude a few rounds on the rack until she gives up the password.

 

[leaguer of one]

Outmanouvered Celene's forces and trapped her in Halamshiral?

And then he could not finished her. He then walked into her trap in the winter palace.

[leaguer of one]

No, that epilouge quote is dependand on doing war table mission.It can happen to all rulers.

 

"Barely clings to power" "would fall without the Inquisition" "Both parties benefit from the alliance" Icy reception..."

 

These paraphrased quotes are not based on which ruler you picked.

It's only icy if you blackmail her.

[Arakiel12409]

Because Gaspard supporters rely on metagaming and don't know the concept of role-playing.

I would not say that. My apolitical Inquisitor allied with Gaspard because Gaspard was the one that invited the Inquisition in the first place. He becomes Emperor, I can kill Venatori and thwart Corypheus' plans. A favour for a favour. Simple as that.

 

That said, I usually prefer to force them to cooperate. Maybe not the best solution in the long run, but in this way, I can keep Briala's Eluvians, Gaspard's military tactics and Celene's reputation as assets against the Elder One and this is what matters in this time.

[InfinitePaths]

I still don't understand why people think Gaspard will do much to help Orlais except for his military strenght.

 

The benefits you get from the Celene/Briala alliance for Orlais are just tremendous.How can anyone claim Gaspard would be better than Celene on court and would be better at managing the empire in terms of laws, cultural changes, economy, society, unity(most nobles hate Gaspard because he doesn't play the game) and general internal prosperity, international diplomacy and happiness of the people.Also, with Briala and her elves loyal to Celene, Orlais can have better traffic than the modern world.POOORTALS.

[leaguer of one]

I would not say that. My apolitical Inquisitor allied with Gaspard because Gaspard was the one that invited the Inquisition in the first place. He becomes Emperor, I can kill Venatori and thwart Corypheus' plans. A favour for a favour. Simple as that.

 

That said, I usually prefer to force them to cooperate. Maybe not the best solution in the long run, but in this way, I can keep Briala's Eluvians, Gaspard's military tactics and Celene's reputation as assets against the Elder One and this is what matters in this time.

But happen after that. Does your quz not care for the statue of thadus after dealing with Cory?

[InfinitePaths]

He already recognized the value of the Eluvians in the book; he told Celene he fully intended to use them but whereas Celene would arm elves with silverite and have them travel alone, Gaspard would just use elves as guides for orlesian forces; and you can even find a letter of him to Celene where he claims the Eluvians can win not only the civil war but all wars.

A five year old would recognize the potential of the eluvians.

 

I do not doubt Briala will be killed but that doesn't exclude a few rounds on the rack until she gives up the password.

 

But would he torture her, though?If so, he is a huge hypocrite.Would she speak?Your plan is haphazard while Celene/Briala is much more stable.

 

Even if so, elves would not support Gaspard and elves have a much easier time traveling the eluvians.Their blood or whatnot gives them a plethora of benefits.

 

And Gaspard would use it for wars, Celene would use it for the economy and travel.

[MoonDrummer]

And then he could not finished her. He then walked into her trap in the winter palace.

He could have finished it, and he would have, but it is hard to predict an ancient darkspawn tevinter magister using the power of an ancient elven god to ****-slap thedas. Meaning that now he couldn't just starve Celene out.

[leaguer of one]

I still don't understand why people think Gaspard will do much to help Orlais except for his military strenght.

 

The benefits you get from the Celene/Briala alliance for Orlais are just tremendous.How can anyone claim Gaspard would be better than Celene on court and would be better at managing the empire in terms of laws, cultural changes, economy, society, unity(most nobles hate Gaspard because he doesn't play the game) and general internal prosperity, international diplomacy and happiness of the people.Also, with Briala and her elves loyal to Celene, Orlais can have better traffic than the modern world.POOORTALS.

i don't get it ether. It's like a German noble helping Napoleon.

[thesuperdarkone2]

But happen after that. Does your quz not care for the statue of thadus after dealing with Cory?

Exactly. I wonder why I can't ask Cass or Cullen what happens after Cory is beaten if Gaspard rules? Seems they support him because he is military minded to fight Cory but I can't say what happens next? Seems like supporting Gaspard is just a short-term solution. Celene is best if you are thinking long-term.

[leaguer of one]

He could have finished it, and he would have, but it is hard to predict an ancient darkspawn tevinter magister using the power of an ancient elven god to ****-slap thedas. Meaning that now he couldn't just starve Celene out.

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The breach did not happen during the time he almost had her. At that time they were on equal ground and he almost fell in Celene's trap.

[MisterJB]

I still don't understand why people think Gaspard will do much to help Orlais except for his military strenght.

 

The benefits you get from the Celene/Briala alliance for Orlais are just tremendous.How can anyone claim Gaspard would be better than Celene on court and would be better at managing the empire in terms of laws, cultural changes, economy, society, unity(most nobles hate Gaspard because he doesn't play the game) and general internal prosperity, international diplomacy and happiness of the people.Also, with Briala and her elves loyal to Celene, Orlais can have better traffic than the modern world.POOORTALS.

Ok, by your own logic, what exactly does Briala do beyond being Celene's bed warmer and satisfying her until she decides to throw the elves a bone or two? Why should Briala be there if all she will do is use sex to influence the Empress?

[Barquiel]

Exactly. I wonder why I can't ask Cass or Cullen what happens after Cory is beaten if Gaspard rules? Seems they support him because he is military minded to fight Cory but I can't say what happens next? Seems like supporting Gaspard is just a short-term solution. Celene is best if you are thinking long-term.

Cassandra "greatly approved" when I reunited Celene and Briala. She just doesn't want Celene to rule alone.