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[Teddie Sage]

This might be painful to hear, but the best way to post on a forum is to actually think before you do so

Amen.

[olioster]

double post, disregard

[olioster]

While it's painful and not really what people want to hear....

 

The EASIEST way to get companies like  EA / Bioware to stop fixing exploits?  Stop buying console game systems.  Seriously. 

If there is no market for console games, because everyone plays games on PC instead, then they will stop making games that cater to Consoles.  Simple math.

 

The added benefit, with a PC you get the ability to install and use MODS.  Which often make good games GREAT, and allow you to do other stuff, like play medieval dress-up, all you want.

 

I do, and it's fun. 

 

Seriously people.  Stop buying consoles and console games and all your console-centric problems will go away.  Join the 'elite' and play PC.  Reap the benefits of freedom. 

Join US!!

 

I really cannot understand why anyone buys consoles to begin with, but if they'd just 'go away' we'd see computer gaming evolve into something truly amazing.

 

Join us...

 

[Mirth]

This might be painful to hear, but the best way to post on a forum is to actually think before you do so

I take it you're a console kiddie?

Sucks to be you.

I thought plenty. That's why I own a PC. 60fps at ultra resolution, while using 3D vision. Yeah.. Sucks to be you.

Oh wait!! What's this? New skyhold pj skins for my quizzy, thank you very much!

Oh...oh?? Cheat Engine still allows me unlimited gold and mats after latest patch? TYVM!

Yep... Sucks to be you.

Think ill go do some video editing on my pc about the misguided masses who spend the price of a low end gaming PC, on a limited application "next gen" console....

[Mushashi7]

The concerns about the exploit looks from my perspective as a thread full of entitled whining, to avoid playing the game as intended.

Players who have become accustomed to using these exploits/cheats would best deal with it, because it has been fixed and the exploit is not coming back.

 

This also puts the past several weeks wailing about bugs into perspective, as the game is suddenly not 'unplayable' or 'totally broken' anymore, to some, if the desire to game influence and inventory overrides it.

 

(I'm not saying there have not been bugs, of course there have and some bad ones, but some complaints have been hyperbole)

 

I presume blocking access to patch download will also block access to future patches and DLC,

as a DLC would presumably load the patch if it found it was not present (open to correction on that), so (probably) somewhat of a futile protest.

 

But hey, we're all entitled to an opinion, so don't download the patch, that's fine,

I just struggle with the logic behind the decision (and yes I did read the rationale above).

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Whining???

This exploit was the only thing left that could compensate a little for a game that didn't work and caused countless hours of frustration!

I still haven't been able to watch a single cutscene due to crashes. I get half the story and make bad choices all the time because of this. That's why I am on my fifth playthrough now. I used 477 hours in an attempt to make the right choices and get the story the way I want.

And Bioware chose to remove a glitch instead of fixing the game properly? A glitch that made it a bit less frustrating?

I've had it with this. I'm not buying the DLC's. I'm going back to Skyrim. This game is more work and problems than joy. Such a shame. The game had such nice graphics.

 

(And no my PC is not a crap PC. It meets the recommended system specs.)

[Biotic Flash Kick]

I take it you're a console kiddie?

Sucks to be you.

I thought plenty. That's why I own a PC. 60fps at ultra resolution, while using 3D vision. Yeah.. Sucks to be you.

Oh wait!! What's this? New skyhold pj skins for my quizzy, thank you very much!

Oh...oh?? Cheat Engine still allows me unlimited gold and mats after latest patch? TYVM!

Yep... Sucks to be you.

Think ill go do some video editing on my pc about the misguided masses who spend the price of a low end gaming PC, on a limited application "next gen" console....

ah yes

 

stop buying games and let a niche market die

 

nice b8 m8

i r8 8/8

[AlanC9]

Hey, can someone tell me how this exploit even works? I never MP so I have no idea how it's used.

[xkg]

Think ill go do some video editing on my pc about the misguided masses who spend the price of a low end gaming PC, on a limited application "next gen" console....

 

Nah, don't waste your time. No one cares about your video nor about your thoughts about this matter.

Keep them for yourself and your friends. Just my advice, you'll do whatever you have to do.

[KBomb]

What would you build in the Sims, anyway? I never even knew there were cheats.

 

I guess that makes me boring, so I suppose my feelings should be hurt or something.

While playing Sims 2 I never used cheats, but just messing around building towns, cheats are a must, really. I always used cheats to gain more floors, to build half-moon bridges, move objects, etc. I built the Spencer Mansion once from Resident Evil and used cheats like nobody's business. Don't even care. Was worth it.

[TheOgre]

I'm a pc guy -- but, Mirth, you will find that a lot of problems are happening more on PC than before in the years.

 

I HAVE NO PROOF OF THIS, but I feel like consoles right now are  part of the reason why PC games are suffering (don't shoot me yet). AMD won out on bids for the next gen consoles, and as such it SEEMS like ports to PC are not favoring NVidea so much in terms of functionality. A lot of computers today run on NVidea gfx cards (no, i'm not claiming Nvidia is better..). 

 

My suspicions are my own (again) and if someone has something that can set me straight now, I'm all ears because I understand correlation does not equal causation. 

 

With that being said, I think it's a little extreme to encourage people not to play console games. This game was developed for the consoles and while you can do more with the pc (console commands or blah..), you'll probably have a lot less heartache until someone fixes the issues, eventually. I'd rather have functionality, then having infinite amount of crashes or cutscene problems myself. For example, when I do get the ps4, I'm going to get dark souls 2, the new one thats coming out, because I want to avoid hackers like there are on the PC (where pvp matters). I'd prefer PC for this game though, because, single player isn't affected by other people. I fear the day for when consoles are phased out (I hope this never is the case) because of games like dark souls and other pvp focused genres. So, I respectfully disagree with the stance on "boycotting" console games.

[KBomb]

Personally, I think the whole gathering system could have been done a lot better. I would have liked to have seen agents utilized in gathering materials needed. Cullen's agents could gather metals from mines, while Josephine's agents could have worked with traders for leather and cloth, Leliana's agents could have secured herbs. And I am not talking about the measly little materials you gain from war table missions, but something more substantial. For instance, the number of materials would start off small, but as you gain Power, you can use it on the War Table to open up more mines, plots of land to grow crops of herbs and trade routes for more merchants, making the number of materials gained through agents rise. As of now, all the agents do is decrease mission time for the advisors. This way, at least you'd feel as though you're gaining something by recruiting them and after my last playthrough, I had a **** ton of power left over, it would be a useful way to feel as if having power matters.

 

Also, every time you claim a quarry, you could gain an amount of metal from it, every time you claim a logging stand you gain a cache of herbs that grows nearby, every time you establish a camp, you get a cache of leather and cloth from the wildlife in the nearby area. After the upgrades to Skyhold, there was no reason to go and hunt down quarries and logging stands, though there were plenty still around. 

 

You're the Inquisitor with all this power, advisors, agents, etc and yet, you don't seem to use any of it-- instead, you have to go around gathering elfroot and killing goats like you don't have more important crap to do. There are loads of ways gathering could have been better implemented other than a grind fest, but a grind fest is what we have. So yeah, leaving the exploit would hurt no one, but could help others enjoy the game a bit more.

[Mirth]

I'm a pc guy -- but, Mirth, you will find that a lot of problems are happening more on PC than before in the years.

 

I HAVE NO PROOF OF THIS, but I feel like consoles right now are  part of the reason why PC games are suffering (don't shoot me yet). AMD won out on bids for the next gen consoles, and as such it SEEMS like ports to PC are not favoring NVidea so much in terms of functionality. A lot of computers today run on NVidea gfx cards (no, i'm not claiming Nvidia is better..). 

 

My suspicions are my own (again) and if someone has something that can set me straight now, I'm all ears because I understand correlation does not equal causation. 

 

With that being said, I think it's a little extreme to encourage people not to play console games. This game was developed for the consoles and while you can do more with the pc (console commands or blah..), you'll probably have a lot less heartache until someone fixes the issues, eventually. I'd rather have functionality, then having infinite amount of crashes or cutscene problems myself. For example, when I do get the ps4, I'm going to get dark souls 2, the new one thats coming out, because I want to avoid hackers like there are on the PC (where pvp matters). I'd prefer PC for this game though, because, single player isn't affected by other people. I fear the day for when consoles are phased out (I hope this never is the case) because of games like dark souls and other pvp focused genres. So, I respectfully disagree with the stance on "boycotting" console games.

 

Indeed.  Not sure if it's a conspiracy or what, but Nvidia definitely got the shortbus on this game... which.. is odd... considering they have not only one of the best series of video cards on the market, but some of the best video cards (performance wise) of the current last few generations.  Albeit the hat does pass back and forth between ATI and Nvidia every few generations.

 

That being said, I've only had a 'few' issues with my Nvidia GTX 670.  Those were resolved with a few updates and tweeking of my graphics settings.  Since then, no problems at all.

After a driver update, graphics settings are the first place I'd check to resolve your issues.  Honestly - using the Geforce Experience app, and letting it optimize my settings resolve most of my problems.  After that, a few minor tweeks to tailor performance even more, didn't hurt.

 

Yes, I realize its more of a pain to have to modify your settings on a PC.  No disagreement there.  Updating.. all that rubbish... but?  I've been doing it for 30 years.  I've seen hardware companies and Microsoft make huge advances in technology, performance and compatibility.  It isn't nearly as bad as it 'used' to be.

 

The 'issues' with DA:I rest squarely on EA/Bioware.  Trying to master everything, they became barely competent at all of them.

 

For the record, I don't want people to stop buying console games, I want them to stop buying consoles, period.  I know that isn't going to happen, but I can dream.

I think "Gaming" as a whole, would be better off without them.   It'd still be a multi-billion dollar industry, it'd just be 'better' for PC Gamers, and issues like the OP's thread (which I've hijacked.. sorry) would not exist.

PC gaming gives gamers power over their games that console players will never have.  (unless the developers specifically code them to have it.)

I'd prefer people (consumers) held onto that power, but I can see how my initial post did not emphasize that point.

[TheOgre]

O.O I still want to buy a console though for the pvp games, but generally I buy PC games. I admit, Nvidea is really good with the software they bring out. It just felt odd that more games like DA:I ran better on console than PC. You'd think the developers would have an easier time with PC than console, even after a port..?

 

Speculation, no real proof here.

[dead_eye]

If you were next to me and I'm playing my game and you tell me how I should or shouldn't play it, I'll kick you out of my house. My game. My singleplayer game. My singleplayer game that does not have an effect on multiplayer game. My singleplayer game that does not retract or add to the livelihood or enjoyment of other players. I thought this is a free country where if it is my toy, I can break it, burn it, build on it, stick it up my butt, or do whatever the heck I want to do with it. It is not effecting you if I shove said toy up my butt. It is not effecting you if I want my characters to look a certain way. It is not effecting you if I want the game to be a breeze. It is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

 

With that being said, Bioware DOES have the right to do what they want with their intellectual property but that could be argued since you bought the game (whole different argument to have). However, I don't think I'm going to go through another playerthrough of the game (my 3rd) until I can get mods. I was having so much fun outfitting my characters the way I want them to and that just sucked all the joy the game for me.

[AlanC9]

Is the exploit actually avoidable? I remember the big problem with ME3's MP implementation was that the only way to avoid lots of EMS was to skip MP.

[dead_eye]

Is the exploit actually avoidable? I remember the big problem with ME3's MP implementation was that the only way to avoid lots of EMS was to skip MP.

It is not a multiplayer exploit it is a singleplayer exploit and yes it is avoidable. I can opt out of using it

[samb]

I know you can play offline on Xbone and you can turn off updates. I recall 360 could easily clear the cache and get rid of all patches but not the next gen.
ME3 let you delete expansions for MP also. Is that what you mean?

[KBomb]

Is the exploit actually avoidable? I remember the big problem with ME3's MP implementation was that the only way to avoid lots of EMS was to skip MP.

It is a single player exploit. I have two play throughs under my belt and neither have used the exploit, so yes, it's completely avoidable. 

 

samb, on 21 Jan 2015 - 12:12 AM, said:
I know you can play offline on Xbone and you can turn off updates. I recall 360 could easily clear the cache and get rid of all patches but not the next gen.
ME3 let you delete expansions for MP also. Is that what you mean?

 

You can still delete updates for individual games. I had to do it for a game, I want to say it was Dead Rising 3. 

[MonkeyLungs]

I didn't duplicate mats on my first playthrough ... in fact most of my squad was still using Tier 2 gear. Second playthrough I learned about more of the effects on the fade touched crafting mats (1st PT I actually used critical crafting items!) and began the materials farming extravaganza. As cool as picking flowers and mining rocks is, I kind of like that there is an option to speed it up if I choose. Removing this seems odd. I will still play but it just seems like an odd thing to fix I guess I just don't get why it matters in single player.

[Teddie Sage]

I didn't duplicate mats on my first playthrough ... in fact most of my squad was still using Tier 2 gear. Second playthrough I learned about more of the effects on the fade touched crafting mats (1st PT I actually used critical crafting items!) and began the materials farming extravaganza. As cool as picking flowers and mining rocks is, I kind of like that there is an option to speed it up if I choose. Removing this seems odd. I will still play but it just seems like an odd thing to fix I guess I just don't get why it matters in single player.

Yeah... removing the exploit and not giving us faster item looting spots in return is just cringe worthy, in my sincere opinion.

[TheOgre]

Still can only make one tier 3 cleansing rune by the way, especially now thanks to this nerf. I think it's bull they have revenants as a resource that you can't even farm.

[Bocochoco]

Still can only make one tier 3 cleansing rune by the way, especially now thanks to this nerf. I think it's bull they have revenants as a resource that you can't even farm.

Yeah had I known in my first playthrough

[Paladin Ryan]

Okay so here is a bottom line many in the anti exploit camp are missing:

People did not use this exploit because the game was too hard for them. Most people did not even use it for the gold. Most people used it to get more mats to either avoid excessive farming or the fact that some mats are overly limited in their supply. They did this to improve their experience, to build their ideal team.

The exploit had no negative impact on those not using it. I hadn't even considered using it until my third pt at which point I did so to save myself some time farmin materials. What materials you might ask? Tier 2 ones. For Battlemaster Mail I had since getting it as random schematic loot in the hinterlands before even recruiting the templars. THAT made things easy. Not the exploit, but instead Bioware's working as intended loot system.

My point here is that the exploit was not a crutch for most of us, not something we needed to beat the game. Rather, it was something we used to enrich our experience by avoiding excessive amounts of mmo style grinding that have no place in a single player experience. If I want to sink vast amounts of time into harvesting materials or money I have an Eve Online account (I don't mine resources on there but I could).

This exploit allowed people to cut out tedious hours of farming that did nothing but turn people off the game, thus making them less likely to buy dlc when it comes out, which is the last thing Bioware should want. PC players will just use mods and the Cheat Engine as I already do but console players, who this game was clearly made for, are screwed.

Long story short I think people should consider more deeply the use of the exploits before instantly assuming everybody who used it was "casual" or bad at the game. That just is not the case.

In my opinion Bioware made a bad decision from both a community and business stand point. This decision benefitted nobody besides perhaps indignant designers infuriated we were enjoying the game more by not playing quite as intended or elitist "hardcore" gamers, stroking their nether regions as they laugh at the rest of us "casuals."

As a disclaimer this is opinion. My thoughts, my stance, my opinion, with a moderate amount of solid fact mixed in.

Edit: Adding spacing since indentations did not work