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BAD IDEA BIOWARE; Fixed issue that allowed players to exploit their gold value in single-player mode.


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Okay so here is a bottom line many in the anti exploit camp are missing:

People did not use this exploit because the game was too hard for them. Most people did not even use it for the gold. Most people used it to get more mats to either avoid excessive farming or the fact that some mats are overly limited in their supply. They did this to improve their experience, to build their ideal team.

The exploit had no negative impact on those not using it. I hadn't even considered using it until my third pt at which point I did so to save myself some time farmin materials. What materials you might ask? Tier 2 ones. For Battlemaster Mail I had since getting it as random schematic loot in the hinterlands before even recruiting the templars. THAT made things easy. Not the exploit, but instead Bioware's working as intended loot system.

My point here is that the exploit was not a crutch for most of us, not something we needed to beat the game. Rather, it was something we used to enrich our experience by avoiding excessive amounts of mmo style grinding that have no place in a single player experience. If I want to sink vast amounts of time into harvesting materials or money I have an Eve Online account (I don't mine resources on there but I could).

This exploit allowed people to cut out tedious hours of farming that did nothing but turn people off the game, thus making them less likely to buy dlc when it comes out, which is the last thing Bioware should want. PC players will just use mods and the Cheat Engine as I already do but console players, who this game was clearly made for, are screwed.

Long story short I think people should consider more deeply the use of the exploits before instantly assuming everybody who used it was "casual" or bad at the game. That just is not the case.

In my opinion Bioware made a bad decision from both a community and business stand point. This decision benefitted nobody besides perhaps indignant designers infuriated we were enjoying the game more by not playing quite as intended or elitist "hardcore" gamers, stroking their nether regions as they laugh at the rest of us "casuals."

As a disclaimer this is opinion. My thoughts, my stance, my opinion, with a moderate amount of solid fact mixed in.

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Thanks for sharing.

Though, I swear as much as you try to explain this to them, they still bash you for using the exploit and they don't care why you're using them. Ridiculous.


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I am a casual, I don't use cheat engine but if it saves me five days of farming tier 3 chests, and it allows me to zoom out, I may have to use cheat engine for my next single player play through.. Which will be some time after they patch the upcoming patch to fix this latest patches hiccups.

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honestly wasn't even aware of the exploit till it was posted up here... and i still haven't wrapped my head around it... so why was it such a huge problem that bioware had to stamp out before anything else?



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Thanks for sharing.

Though, I swear as much as you try to explain this to them, they still bash you for using the exploit and they don't care why you're using them. Ridiculous.


But we completely understand what he says. Bioware just thinks that the amount of materials you can get without the exploit is good enough, it's how they designed the game. They don't want you to dress everybody and their mom in full dragon material outfits and have different sets of them for different situations, it's simply not what they intended.

You might not like what they have intended, but why you do that is completely irrelevant.
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Good news for those on PC, at least.  Cheat Engine still works for duping materials and gold coins.



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You might not like what they have intended, but why you do that is completely irrelevant.

Irrelevant? No, not at all! Because it's our money. As someone put it earlier, if you have an option available, unintentional as it may be, you should only remove that if it impacts another person's play through. Single player is at all not competitive. The only reason why they patched it because it was an easy fix. It had nothing to do with enhancing the experience of the players. If it was an easy fix, which it was, add it on just to say they fixed something. That actually makes them look bad in the long run because it's a commonly known bug that's been present since da o and 2. There was nothing to gain from fixing this bug other than having an additional line on the "bugs fixed" as da:I is notorious for bugs across all platforms.

Edit: they have a way to patch other single player only games too by the way, but square Enix doesn't shove down patches that limit speed runners because they are abusing mechanics that allow them to complete Kingdom Hearts much faster than they already do. Nobody cared about how much gold or material you had. I doubt even the developers really cared. Someone thought it was something they should fix for removing just one of many bugs. If they really want players to play the game as intended, fix bleed percentage on hit or other useful combat stats. As far as we can tell, there are stats and talents right now that are not functioning properly! These, versus the gold nerf was probably higher priority because of how simple it was to add to their "bugs reported and fixed" list.
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The only reason why they patched it because it was an easy fix.

There was nothing to gain from fixing this bug other than having an additional line on the "bugs fixed"

 

:D Funny now that you mention it, because that was the first thought that came to my mind when I heard about this. And I still believe it was the only reason they did it.



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Good news for those on PC, at least.  Cheat Engine still works for duping materials and gold coins.

 

It was nice to not HAVE to do that though. I don't know how to use cheat engine. Now maybe I'll learn, but this glitch was convenient, did everything I needed it to, and didn't require a 3rd party application.

 

More likely I'll just play the game "as intended" and if that means silly looking blue armor, well, OK. As plenty of other people have noted, it's not like I was cheesing those materials because the game is hard.



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:D Funny now that you mention it, because that was the first thought that came to my mind when I heard about this. And I still believe it was the only reason they did it.


They figured goty probably should have as many winning points to shut down the negative critics, like myself.. I liked the game I just didn't think it was a dragon age game. I don't think it deserves goty too. Fc4 was far more deserving but ubisoft =/

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I'm going to miss equipping everyone with very flashy orange armours and weapons... My signature move for the Inquisition... Thank you for ruining my immersion...



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Fixing exploits is a waste of time. I beat the game on Nightmare with FF on without exploiting. I feel like I should be able to do whatever I want now.

 

Look at TES.... In Morrowind you could literally fly... I'm talking Superman, by exploiting Alchemy, Levitation spell, and Intelligence. It took a lot of work, but it was possible. In Skyrim I can make Dragonbone Armor into Tony Stark's Armor.

 

If I break the game by exploiting it's no one's fault but my own. Taking those options away when there are clearly bigger fish to fry is in bad taste IMO.


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It was nice to not HAVE to do that though. I don't know how to use cheat engine. Now maybe I'll learn, but this glitch was convenient, did everything I needed it to, and didn't require a 3rd party application.

 

More likely I'll just play the game "as intended" and if that means silly looking blue armor, well, OK. As plenty of other people have noted, it's not like I was cheesing those materials because the game is hard.

Understandable.  It doesn't bother me, personally, but YMMV.  If you're interested, here are some instructions that taught me how to use Cheat Engine.  

 

You can get the program here, along with an associated table that allows you to do other things like toggle your skyhold outfit/pajamas to your armor while in Skyhold.


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In my opinion Bioware made a bad decision from both a community and business stand point. This decision benefitted nobody besides perhaps indignant designers infuriated we were enjoying the game more by not playing quite as intended or elitist "hardcore" gamers, stroking their nether regions as they laugh at the rest of us "casuals."
As a disclaimer this is opinion. My thoughts, my stance, my opinion, with a moderate amount of solid fact mixed in.
Edit: Adding spacing since indentations did not work


I keep thinking along these lines that the only reason they did this was because there is some programmer screaming until he's blue in the face looking like a total idiot so they let him "fix" the ability to get around his working as intended model
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Meanwhile console players are fucked...

 

SMH. And here I was being all reserved and restricting myself to dupe glitching rare cloth and FT mats for aesthetic purposes.


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I'm out of likes... Grr. Just know that I would like the crap out of some posts right now.



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I'm out of likes... Grr. Just know that I would like the crap out of some posts right now.


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Understandable.  It doesn't bother me, personally, but YMMV.  If you're interested, here are some instructions that taught me how to use Cheat Engine.  

 

You can get the program here, along with an associated table that allows you to do other things like toggle your skyhold outfit/pajamas to your armor while in Skyhold.

 

Thanks for this! I just may do that. I was initially waiting on a resolution to the banter bug to start playing again, so now that I have (presumably) have that, I may just move on over to cheatengine for my cheesing needs.

 

I am curious about the way it interacts with the game - has anyone ever encountered any issues from Bioware when using it for single player? Have they actually commented on its use? I'm not sure I'm ever gonna do the MP in DAI, but I am curious.


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Thanks for this! I just may do that. I was initially waiting on a resolution to the banter bug to start playing again, so now that I have (presumably) have that, I may just move on over to cheatengine for my cheesing needs.

 

I am curious about the way it interacts with the game - has anyone ever encountered any issues from Bioware when using it for single player? Have they actually commented on its use? I'm not sure I'm ever gonna do the MP in DAI, but I am curious.

I don't play DA:I MP, so I can't say.  My guess is that Bioware doesn't care about its use in single player as long as you don't mess with it while in multiplayer *shrugs*  Maybe someone else can give a better answer, though.



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I don't play DA:I MP, so I can't say.  My guess is that Bioware doesn't care about its use in single player as long as you don't mess with it while in multiplayer *shrugs*  Maybe someone else can give a better answer, though.


If they didn't care they wouldn't have fixed the SP exploits

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Well, maybe Bioware will find a way to stop people from using Cheat Engine, too.  I meant that they likely won't ban people from multiplayer if they use Cheat Engine while in single player.



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Okay so here is a bottom line many in the anti exploit camp are missing:

 

There's a big difference between being "anti-exploit" and understanding why BioWare would close a loophole that they hadn't intended to exist.

 

 

Though, I swear as much as you try to explain this to them, they still bash you for using the exploit and they don't care why you're using them. Ridiculous.

 

Simpy because someone doesn't agree with your position, it doesn't mean that they're "bashing" you. If the bug had never existed in the first place, the conversation would be moot. BioWare isn't "taking something away" from you, they're fixing an error in the code that they hadn't intended to be there.

 

Taking it personally, or attacking people who don't think fixing bugs is necessarily wrong is at least a little ridiculous in its own right.

 

Would it not make more sense to suggest that BioWare add more methods of acquiring the rare materials? I think it's a good idea for them to do that, and the effort would be more likely to succeed than asking them to deliberately include an exploit that they hadn't originally intended to be there.


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Simpy because someone doesn't agree with your position, it doesn't mean that they're "bashing" you. If the bug had never existed in the first place, the conversation would be moot. BioWare isn't "taking something away" from you, they're fixing an error in the code that they hadn't intended to be there.

Then explain why I got so many insults in these past 14 pages...



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Then explain why I got so many insults in these past 14 pages...

 

My best guess: it's the internet.

 

There's been no shortage of insults going around in the last few days, it isn't unique to your experience, or position. It's happening to everyone who expresses an opinion about what's happening right now, regardless of what it is.


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Wait son is mad cause they fixed an exploit?



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Fine, but it certainly calls their priorities into question. There are things they didn't fix that they should have, and that's putting it mildly.

 

I believe whichever poster said it was probably an easy fix to pad the numbers on their bug fixes.