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[Zulfurlubak]

So if I get it right, every console game that has some kind of cheat codes is broken for you. Every single game on PC is broken, since you can use tools like Cheat Engine (or sometimes even built-in command consoles) to cheat in all of them. 

 

In short you are weak willed when it comes to cheating and you would rather like to be restricted by devs than by yourself. Hey I get it. I too can't resist to use exploits whenever I can. It's my flaw and I wouldn't use it as a serious argument for anything.

 

Sadly, but you didn't get it right. Probably because you missed my second paragraph. Cheat codes are not part of game mechanic so to speak. They are cheat codes. Either for debugging or testing purposes for developers or for players who would like to bypass certain part of the game. Not that you can unintentionally use cheat codes too. So I'm totally fine with that. As for PC when you've mentioned Cheat Engine here we are talking about some 3rd party programs which is definitely not part of game mechanic intended by devs too. And I don't have anything against modding or using 3rd party mods/utilities if it is raising interest to the game for someone. I've been modding games heavily myself when playing DAO, TES series games. But for me there is difference between intentionally changing game balance by modding it yourself, changing game data or using 3rd party programs and having an exploit or bug in vanilla gameplay. In later case I believe it should be fixed.

 

As for the restrictions. When you find better gear in any rpg game, say, a sword. If you will equip, right? Regardless the game difficulty. You won't say, oh man, the game is already too easy so I will throw this one away and will continue with the old one which has lower damage and stats. You probably won't do that. Because it is quite intended that you get better gear over time. You haven't cheated this new sword in game nor it is part of some badly balanced mod. I find it's quite natural to use most powerful gear available and most efficient ways of obtaining that gear as long as it is within certain frames of game mechanic so to speak. When to come to the exploits and bugs that are discussed in this thread I find it good and most expectable that they are now being slowly patched and fixed.

[Teddie Sage]

What's good for you isn't always good for other people. 

[Kurt M.]

Exploits should be fixed, and console cheat codes for PC should be added. That way people could fix annoyances like the &%$#@ 'The Short List' schematic you want not appearing in the merchant inventories no matter how many times you restart the game.

 

I did that (saving elsewhere, then restarting the game) at least 50 times, and still couldn't get the Battlemage Armor' one. If it was for me, the solution for that would have been very simple:

player.additem <item ID of the freakin schematic> 1
player.removeitem <item ID of Gold> 16000

(Close console and continue playing).

[xkg]

[SNIP]

 

Yes I get it. But even then it requires your conscious decision and it's rather hard to come by it unexpectedly to call it game breaking. It is easy avoidable.

 

Cheating directly in the game through an exploit and cheating through 3rd party tool aren't all that different.

Let's say you open the chest and you find crappy sword in it. you can:

 

Take it and leave.

or

Decide to cheat:

• In the game
  Close the chest
  Save
  Load
  Open the chest
• With third party program
  Run CE
  Do the cheating
  Go back to your game

You have the choice. Up to you if you want to cheat or not, and to do it you have to go through series of conscious actions.It doesn't happen at random so it won't ruin your game unless you want it to.

 

I can see this can be inconvenient in certain situations like for example - you may want to leave the loot for now since you ran off out of inventory space, only to find later, that there is something else in it. But I don't see it as something thta is "game breaking". It can be easily avoided. And seeing how popular this exploit is with large amount of people I wouldn't ask for it to be removed just to make the game a little more comfortable for me.

 

Of course you can ask them to remove it, I can't stop you. But the reasons behind this request are completely trivial AFAIAC so we will have to agree to disagree.

[Zulfurlubak]

What's good for you isn't always good for other people. 

 

You are correct on this one but it is working visa versa. What is good for people who were standing against removing this exploit and now asking to bring it back in future patch can be bad for other people.

 

 

Yes I get it. But even then it requires your conscious decision and it's rather hard to come by it unexpectedly to call it game breaking. It is easy avoidable.

 

Cheating directly in the game through an exploit and cheating through 3rd party tool aren't all that different.

Let's say you open the chest and you find crappy sword in it. you can:

 

Take it and leave.

or

Decide to cheat:

• In the game
  Close the chest
  Save
  Load
  Open the chest
• With third party program
  Run CE
  Do the cheating
  Go back to your game

You have the choice. Up to you if you want to cheat or not, and to do it you have to go through series of conscious actions.It doesn't happen at random so it won't ruin your game unless you want it to.

 

I can see this can be inconvenient in certain situations like for example - you may want to leave the loot for now since you ran off out of inventory space, only to find later, that there is something else in it. But I don't see it as something thta is "game breaking". It can be easily avoided. And seeing how popular this exploit is with large amount of people I wouldn't ask for it to be removed just to make the game a little more comfortable for me.

 

Of course you can ask them to remove it, I can't stop you. But the reasons behind this request are completely trivial AFAIAC so we will have to agree to disagree.

 

In fact you might face chest exploit unintentionally few couple of times during playthrough. I actually discovered it myself and only then learned of it on forum. I was traveling from Skyhold to some location then having to reload due to various reason and was surprised that loot in chests was different from what I've looted a few minutes ago.

 

I believe after all that depends on the point of view. I see save-loading somewhat less than a cheating since I know games that on highest difficulty settings are basically impossible to beat without that. And you sometime want to save before making certain game choices that will have major impact on the game. Basically to investigate options and what different choices yield you to make best decision for you.

 

Actually I made my first post to show the support for the people who are glad that dev's are working on bug fixing and improving the game and not to prove to anyone that messing with their own singleplayer game is bad in any way.

[Meave]

 

 

Cheating directly in the game through an exploit and cheating through 3rd party tool aren't all that different.

 

you mean apart from that 3rd party tools are mostly illegal? You know all the EULA sort of things that says that you can't alter the programming code without permission...

 

no sane company release game along with cheats. Cheats=bad, fixing bugs=good. If you don't like game mechanics, don't play the game. If you propose game mechanics that would let's say triple amount of mats you find, fine. But all you do is just whine about that they took away your exploit and you want it back. It took them several games to repair code so the bug would be fixed. Do you know how much human hours they had to put into it?

 

and try to be more realistic. Which company EVER returned an exploit back to the game after they fixed it?

[xkg]

 

 

 

you mean apart from that 3rd party tools are mostly illegal? You know all the EULA sort of things that says that you can't alter the programming code without permission...

 

no sane company release game along with cheats. Cheats=bad, fixing bugs=good. If you don't like game mechanics, don't play the game. If you propose game mechanics that would let's say triple amount of mats you find, fine. But all you do is just whine about that they took away your exploit and you want it back. It took them several games to repair code so the bug would be fixed. Do you know how much human hours they had to put into it?

 

and try to be more realistic. Which company EVER returned an exploit back to the game after they fixed it?

 

 

I see you have no clue about that. With memory editor you edit the current state of your computer memory. It has nothing to do with the source code nor the program executable file. In offline game no one can stop you from doing that. 

 

Cheats=good, fixing bugs=good. If I don't like the mechanics I will mod it, cheat it and use exploits. Stop me if you can.

[KBomb]

you mean apart from that 3rd party tools are mostly illegal? You know all the EULA sort of things that says that you can't alter the programming code without permission...

no sane company release game along with cheats. Cheats=bad, fixing bugs=good. If you don't like game mechanics, don't play the game. If you propose game mechanics that would let's say triple amount of mats you find, fine. But all you do is just whine about that they took away your exploit and you want it back. It took them several games to repair code so the bug would be fixed. Do you know how much human hours they had to put into it?

and try to be more realistic. Which company EVER returned an exploit back to the game after they fixed it?

As far as your second paragraph goes-- do you mean to imply no gaming company releases a way for their customers to cheat intentionally? If so, the entire Saints Row franchise would like to say hello. Along with some others.

If you are saying they wouldn't intentionally implement an exploit, I can't say. I am not privy to their internal workings, but I will say this. If I released one game with an exploit, then released another game that contained the same exploit, by the third installment, I would have checked it before it hit the stores. Seems a bit off to me.

I don't think they will put the exploit back-- it is an exploit, btw, not a bug--- I don't expect them to. I do hope they consider fixing the hot mess that is the loot and rng so at least there are more options for gaining material and schematics.

Also, to those saying it's gamebreaking -- I call nonsense. Even if you discover these exploits by mistake, it will not interfere with your game unless you can't control yourself and continue to exploit it. In such case, it's like an over weight person blaming McDonald's because they can't stop eating Big Macs.

[Meave]

I see you have no clue about that. With memory editor you edit the current state of your computer memory. It has nothing to do with the source code nor the program executable file. In offline game no one can stop you from doing that. 

 

Cheats=good, fixing bugs=good. If I don't like the mechanics I will mod it, cheat it and use exploits. Stop me if you can.

 

with same logic you can say "hey I gonna illegally download movies, stop me", or "I gonna rob a bank, stop me" or "I gonna shoot my neighbor's dog..."

whether you can or can't do it is out of question

[KBomb]

with same logic you can say "hey I gonna illegally download movies, stop me", or "I gonna rob a bank, stop me" or "I gonna shoot my neighbor's dog..."
whether you can or can't do it is out of question

Yes, because those things are logically the same. One of these things is not like the other!

[xkg]

with same logic you can say "hey I gonna illegally download movies, stop me", or "I gonna rob a bank, stop me" or "I gonna shoot my neighbor's dog..."

whether you can or can't do it is out of question

 

You still don't get it, do you ? You implied that I am doing something illegal by cheating using 3rd party tools.

 

So ... here I admit. I am using Cheat Engine to cheat the game.

 

Now I ask you to go and report my post and my actions (read - "stop me"). If I get banned, or someone from Bioware will come here and tell me I did something wrong by violating the EULA I will admit you were right. But if nothing happens, you will drop your argument.

 

Do we have a deal ? Do you accept this challenge ?

[Teddie Sage]

Just ignore Maeve already. 

[xkg]

Just ignore Maeve already. 

 

Yeah I guess that was my last exchange with him about this topic anyway. If I get banned I won't be able to post, if not, he will stop. At least I hope so. 

[Teddie Sage]

Yeah I guess that was my last exchange with him about this topic anyway. If I get banned I won't be able to post, if not, he will stop. At least I hope so. 

It's exactly what that user wants. Get us banned or whatever. Just let them talk. It's just hot air.
We have a cause and our cause isn't harming anyone.

[DarkSun09]

Hey, I just found two mods on nexus that increases the amount of loot and fade-touched stuff. Instead of 1/100, the chance of getting fade-touched material is now 1/10. Awesome, right? I love the modding community.

 

Stop crying about the fix and just go get these mods instead.  

[KBomb]

Hey, I just found two mods on nexus that increases the amount of loot and fade-touched stuff. Instead of 1/100, the chance of getting fade-touched material is now 1/10. Awesome, right? I love the modding community.

Stop crying about the fix and just go get these mods instead.

If that were an option for everyone. It isn't.

[Godeskian]

Indeed Kbomb, console users are SoL, without exploits.

Oh and props for being a saints row player. There needs to be more of us

[Teddie Sage]

Good for PC players, we console players (4 different versions) are shafted however.

[TBJack]

While I personally don't like using cheats/mods/console commands (except for fixing/circumventing bugs or if they are really frigging hilarious) it seems kind of silly to remove or disable them, unless they can be used accidentally or present some kind of serious problem, like wiping your hard drive or something. 

 

Regardless of supposed illegality, what Bioware/EA chooses to allow is what matters in the end.  If another exploit is found, and they choose to ignore it, then that is tacit approval of it's use.

 

As long as it doesn't cause problems for the user, and doesn't affect anyone else (like cheating in MP) I see no reason for all this fuss.

[Meave]

You still don't get it, do you ? You implied that I am doing something illegal by cheating using 3rd party tools.

 

So ... here I admit. I am using Cheat Engine to cheat the game.

 

Now I ask you to go and report my post and my actions (read - "stop me"). If I get banned, or someone from Bioware will come here and tell me I did something wrong by violating the EULA I will admit you were right. But if nothing happens, you will drop your argument.

 

Do we have a deal ? Do you accept this challenge ?

 

first of all you have to change the code if you want to use 3rd party program. No matter what program you run and what data you enter wherever you like, the game won't take it into consideration until you force the game to do so. If you alter config file it's altering the game code same goes with replacing files with other files. The fact that they probably won't sue you over it doesn't matter. They could if they wanted to and that's the important part. You gave your word you will not do any of those things by installing the game and agreeing (thus signing) to their EULA. If your word means nothing to you, it's not my problem, but your issue.

[Bocochoco]

first of all you have to change the code if you want to use 3rd party program. No matter what program you run and what data you enter wherever you like, the game won't take it into consideration until you force the game to do so. If you alter config file it's altering the game code same goes with replacing files with other files. The fact that they probably won't sue you over it doesn't matter. They could if they wanted to and that's the important part. You gave your word you will not do any of those things by installing the game and agreeing (thus signing) to their EULA. If your word means nothing to you, it's not my problem, but your issue.

Doesn't make it illegal though. It may be against policy but unless a modder is making money off of the modified coding then there is nothing actually against the law about it. Unless they want to open up a new can of worms and start erasin users files on their home PC I am afraid there is nothing anyone, yourself included, can do about it.
What they did by removing the dupe glitch was nothing more than a big F-you to the gamer community who enjoys it.
Anyone who has been affected by the removal negatively feels the same. That's a lot of people.

[xkg]

 

first of all you have to change the code if you want to use 3rd party program. No matter what program you run and what data you enter wherever you like, the game won't take it into consideration until you force the game to do so. If you alter config file it's altering the game code same goes with replacing files with other files. The fact that they probably won't sue you over it doesn't matter. They could if they wanted to and that's the important part. You gave your word you will not do any of those things by installing the game and agreeing (thus signing) to their EULA. If your word means nothing to you, it's not my problem, but your issue.

 

Now I am 100% sure you have 0 clue how that works. Memory editor runs independently. I modify random access memory on the run, no need to touch the executable file or the code itself. Game writes and reads the current state of the game from RAM. To cheat, I modify that portion of ram. I DON'T TOUCH THE ORIGINAL FILE.

 

Summary: It is perfectly legal. That is my last response to you about this matter. Keep going if you like.

 

[Teddie Sage]

What did I tell you guys? Don't feed the... 

*sips tea and shakes head*

[Bocochoco]

What did I tell you guys? Don't feed the... 
*sips tea and shakes head*

Meh, free bumps I suppose lol

[Teddie Sage]

Meh, free bumps I suppose lol

It's just an excuse for the mods (no offense, but you know it's true) to shut down our thread because soon one of them will say: "This thread has now made its course." This is what they always do when they feel a thread has been overdone. It's the main strategy they've been adopting since BioWare's staff is too busy to answer anything on threads.