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[Feranel]

I'd go Sera (or Solas, or Dorian), Viv (or Solas), and Blackwall (or Cassandra).   Make sure the mage(s) has dispell and isn't using a lightning staff.

 

When you get the lightning auras on you, spread out the party so that the auras don't overlap and use the mage(s) to dispell them from the party.  Keep in mind Blackwall (or cassandra) can clear it from himself with Payback Strike, and you and sera should be able to clear it from yourselves with improved stealth, but you may need to manually order them to do that.  Or Cassandra can spell purge it off.

[termokanden]

As Feranel already said, the most important thing is to dispel the circles under your characters. What I did was stack up my (all ranged) damage dealers close to the side of the dragon but out of swipe range, and when the circles came I'd quickly dispel my damage-dealers. One circle won't actually hurt you, so it seems OK to completely ignore the tank. You get smaller blue circles at first as a warning. Once the dragon stomps it front feet, the big circles appear and immediately start dealing damage. This also means you have enough warning to cast a barrier or heal up in advance if you are close to death.

 

This strategy got me through the fight very poorly geared on nightmare at level 14.

 

The thing that'll really get you in this fight is if you just spread out to avoid being damage by the circles. Often the dragon will do its wing attack immediately after the circles and pull you back in while dealing damage. Much better to stay close and dispel so you don't get hurt at all.

 

PS: I thought the Abyssal High Dragon (in Wester Approach) was by far the easiest. No lightning circles, no dragonlings, it's kind of disappointing with the long quest chain leading up to it.

[Sidney]

Agree the Western Approach dragon felt easier. No dragonlings, no static circles, it feels like it tosses up less guard.

[In Exile]

Knight Enchanter spec. 

 

Or bring Vivienne. Easy win against any Dragon. The Knight Enchanter is invulnerable if played right.

 

Champion. To the death. GG. 

 

While I really like the KE I think the Champion Spec is the true OP boss-killer. 

[Feranel]

Champion. To the death. GG. 

 

While I really like the KE I think the Champion Spec is the true OP boss-killer. 

 

Tis, Champion isn't as fast at killing bosses/dragons as Tempest/Assassin, but it's got KE beat, and when you add in a party, Champ shines.

[In Exile]

Tis, Champion isn't as fast at killing bosses/dragons as Tempest/Assassin, but it's got KE beat, and when you add in a party, Champ shines.

 

Tempest is broken in a way that I'm not sure was intended, but in any event the downside with either tempest or assassin is having to play a rogue which is a very different style of glass cannon. The Champion/KE are unkilllable to boot. 

[GilgameshX]

How do you get a staff that uses spirit damage?

[GilgameshX]

Okay is transmute magic (upgrade of the dispel skill) good?

[GilgameshX]

I just don't get it, I'm trying so hard and I just can't seem to kill the dragon. I can't even get its hp down to 50%. My party is stupid so even if I dispel the electrical fields its still very annoying. I'm almost tempted just to the use the KE inquisition member (forgot her name) to do this lol

 

Current build.

 

Tempest

Blackwall Tank

Dorian Necro - mix of fire damage

Solas Rift - so spirit damage

[Feranel]

=/  My first playthrough was as Champion and pretty much soloed most of the dragons that way. When I killed the Crestwood dragon on my second playthrough, assassin, I switched to Blackwall and just killed it with him, so, if in doubt you can just brute force it with Blackwall. 

 

Personally I don't think the crestwood dragon is easiest, lightning is a bear to deal with, I tend to kill the ferelden frostback first on my playthroughs. Just mount up and ride straight through the valley to the next valley to avoid dealing with all of that firebombing ****. 

 

Also. how specifically are you specced out? Are you Dual Wield? Do you have sundering abilities, and pincushion from the archery tree?

[GilgameshX]

I'm using dual wielding.

 

I do not use archery at all.

 

What're sundering abilities?

 

Lol this game is so confusing xD I'm lv 14 and a lot of this still doesn't make sense.

[Arvaarad]

I'm using dual wielding.

I do not use archery at all.

What're sundering abilities?

Lol this game is so confusing xD I'm lv 14 and a lot of this still doesn't make sense.

A couple of the abilities in the right side of your green (Sabotage) tree apply sundering. Sundering strips off some of the enemy's armor.

Especially against dragons, armor is a big issue. It subtracts damage from all physical attacks before any bonuses or multipliers are applied.

Take a look at your daggers. Right underneath the big dps number, there should be another smaller number. That's your base damage per hit. Now hover over the dragon in tactical camera. See that little helmet icon on the right side of her tooltip? That's her armor. That's how much gets subtracted from your base damage on every hit.

If you have very, very good daggers, her armor will "only" cut your damage in half. If they're daggers you found in a chest somewhere, her armor will cut off a much larger chunk.

In short, you want to be sundering her armor as soon as possible.

[Chadwin]

Tempest is broken in a way that I'm not sure was intended, but in any event the downside with either tempest or assassin is having to play a rogue which is a very different style of glass cannon. The Champion/KE are unkilllable to boot. 

 

You don't need to exploit it to beat a dragon.

 

if your crit chance and crit damage is high enough you only need one thousand cuts with a mighty potion

[Ending]

Find their weakness and strength, then adjust accordingly. 

 

All the Dragons information is listed out there.

[GilgameshX]

Where do you get the receipts for mighty potion and the various elemental resistances?

[Feranel]

Mighty offense potion is on the Storm Coast.

 

Resistance Potion recipes are from a shop in Val Royeaux.

 

Also, as Arvaarad mentioned, you definitely want to get to that sundering talent in the Sabotage Tree, but you also really want to get to the Pincushion talent in the Archery tree, it works with daggers and it's a staple for sustained dual wield DPS.

 

I also personally recommend getting Ambush from the Subterfuge tree, or at least the Ripping Fangs upgrade to Twin Fangs, as on nightmare, armor really hurts your DPS at lower levels.

 

Finally: What gear are you using?  If you haven't already I highly reccomend buying the Tier 2 schematics for at least your armor (get the sturdy variant) and weapons (and weps for your whole party, ideally) at Val Royeaux.  If nothing else get the weapons.  You can buy get unlimited Tier 2 crafting "metal" from Bonny Sims in Skyhold, "Serault Infused Glass" which means you can craft a full set of T2 weapons for your party and metal based armor for your warriors.

[GilgameshX]

Thanks, when I have a chance to play today I'll give an exact list detailing my armor and weapons.

 

I want to know, I've turned Blackwall into a tank and I choose to give him +12 strength and no constitution. Now compared to his last armor he has about 70 more defense and ranged resistance however his hp was cut by about 10%. Is constitution important? Or does better defense for a tank matter more?

 

So right now his armor rating is 200, +12 str and +25% ranged defence. Now the last armor he had give him +8 constitution. But I figured the extra strength was better since he shouldn't be losing HP in the first place.

 

Also random question but I've heard you can get free resistance by completing an Oasis quest. Is that true?

[Feranel]

Thanks, when I have a chance to play today I'll give an exact list detailing my armor and weapons.

 

I want to know, I've turned Blackwall into a tank and I choose to give him +12 strength and no constitution. Now compared to his last armor he has about 70 more defense and ranged resistance however his hp was cut by about 10%. Is constitution important? Or does better defense for a tank matter more?

 

So right now his armor rating is 200, +12 str and +25% ranged defence. Now the last armor he had give him +8 constitution. But I figured the extra strength was better since he shouldn't be losing HP in the first place.

 

Also random question but I've heard you can get free resistance by completing an Oasis quest. Is that true?

 

In the end it adds up to 20% resistance to all elements, but you can't get the last (lightning) until you complete the first three, Fire, Spirit, and Cold.  You can spread it out early on or go for broke for one early on. 

 

Constitution adds to HP and to melee defense, but STR is fine on Blackwall, he's durable enough it doesn't make a difference.

[Arvaarad]

In the end it adds up to 20% resistance to all elements, but you can't get the last (lightning) until you complete the first three, Fire, Spirit, and Cold. You can spread it out early on or go for broke for one early on.

Constitution adds to HP and to melee defense, but STR is fine on Blackwall, he's durable enough it doesn't make a difference.

An important thing to note about the shard quest. In order to fully complete it and get the +20% lightning resistance, you must defeat Kaltenzahn (level 21 ice dragon in Emprise du Lion). Believe me, I tried stealthing past her to look through the ocularum that's in her nest, and it can't be done. Even if you're perma-stealthed and Kaltenzahn hasn't seen you, the game won't let you interact with the ocularum.

So if you want that lightning resistance, it's a good idea to focus on ice resistance first. Or just rely on resistance tonics - fully upgraded, one tonic gives +60% resistance that should last the whole fight.

[SandorClegamer]

I did it stealthing past Kaltenzahn, try disengaging when you get the ocularum and try it solo.

[Arvaarad]

I did it stealthing past Kaltenzahn, try disengaging when you get the ocularum and try it solo.

That's exactly what I did, solo stealthed past Kaltenzahn, disengaged, and tried to interact. Multiple times. My inquisitor utterly refused to look through it.

Maybe it used to work and they patched it?

[GilgameshX]

So I should buy the schematics for the lightning resistance pot and use that?

 

Thanks, I know I've had a lot of questions but I'm slowly getting better each time.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Well just kill Kaltenzan then, a Knight Enchanter played right is all you need, that and patience, it might take a bit to do it but it isn't hard, just time consuming. Do it right and you never loose all of your barrier, hence you can't loose any health.

[Feranel]

So I should buy the schematics for the lightning resistance pot and use that?

 

Thanks, I know I've had a lot of questions but I'm slowly getting better each time.

 

May as well, also, have you bought the Tier 2 weapon schematics in VR? If not, do that, they are most likely better than what you are using.

[Arvaarad]

Well just kill Kaltenzan then, a Knight Enchanter played right is all you need, that and patience, it might take a bit to do it but it isn't hard, just time consuming. Do it right and you never loose all of your barrier, hence you can't loose any health.

Oh, I've killed Kaltenzahn. My terrifying and insane assassin inquisitor decided to solo her at level 18. Kaltenzahn died so quickly that she didn't have a chance to summon dragonlings.

I don't know why I'd ever bring a KE to a dragon fight. I love Vivienne, but her spec is terrible for everything, especially dragons. A KE lacks the damage of a rogue (even against guard), the crowd control/debuff spam of a warrior or rift mage, and the movement of a rogue.

A KE's only skill is surviving. But the goal of a fight isn't to survive for an indefinite period of time, it's to survive longer than your enemies. The KE spec solves a problem that it created in the first place - it's so mediocre at everything that it prolongs the fight, so it requires higher survivability and mass revival just to keep its head above water.

/KE rant