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[flexiblebadger]

i would go for the hinderlands dragon first as it is only level 12-13 something that i do when fighting dragons is take 2 tanks eg cassandra and blackwall (you need blackwall he does not die) keep in mind in doing this you will sacrifice some dps but there is a move where the dragon does damage to everything outside of its wing span whilst pulling them in and tanks being melee fighters are not effected by this because they are usually right in underneath the dragon, another thing is patience it is not very hard doing it this way but because you have slightly less dps it takes slightly longer. happy dragon hunting 

[flexiblebadger]

How to kill a dragon (bringing Cole, Sera and Solas) in less than 1 minute:

 

1) Cole throws Mark of Death.

2) Sera, Solas and the Inquisitor all attack with their focus abilities (I picked these companions because their focus abilities do a lot of damage, I used the first focus ability of the inquisitor, but I guess if you are a tempest you can use Thousand Cuts just like Sera does, it should work either way). Do this with the TacCam so you don't waste time from Mark of Death.

3) From now on you will only control Cole: throw Hidden Blades to the dragon for some extra damage. 

4) Hit the dragon a bit more with Cole (maybe use Twin Fangs if you have time, you are trying to do as much damage as possible as quickly as possible) until the Mark of Death symbol starts blinking. Then blow up the Mark of Death.

 

That's it, at that point the Dragon either died or is almost dead. I tried this yesterday in Nightmare and it worked perfectly. Maybe at lvl 13 you don't have all the necessary skills yet, but you should at lvl 15. Quick dragon kill, no tank needed.

 

If your inquisitor was a  high level Assasin, you could do it pretty much on your own, like the guy in this video (dragon killed in less then 30 seconds):

 

whaaat, i should have gone assasin spec D:

[Duelist]

Oh, I've killed Kaltenzahn. My terrifying and insane assassin inquisitor decided to solo her at level 18. Kaltenzahn died so quickly that she didn't have a chance to summon dragonlings.

I don't know why I'd ever bring a KE to a dragon fight. I love Vivienne, but her spec is terrible for everything, especially dragons. A KE lacks the damage of a rogue (even against guard), the crowd control/debuff spam of a warrior or rift mage, and the movement of a rogue.

A KE's only skill is surviving. But the goal of a fight isn't to survive for an indefinite period of time, it's to survive longer than your enemies. The KE spec solves a problem that it created in the first place - it's so mediocre at everything that it prolongs the fight, so it requires higher survivability and mass revival just to keep its head above water.

/KE rant

My big beef with bringing Vivienne (or KE) to a dragon fight is that Sera and Varric are much better options since they can both roll a dragon in under 20 seconds on their own.

[Arvaarad]

My big beef with bringing Vivienne (or KE) to a dragon fight is that Sera and Varric are much better options since they can both roll a dragon in under 20 seconds on their own.

Yeah, even without using focus abilities or MOT, rogues are just fantastic at killing dragons. Their movement abilities alone give them the best survivability.

Guard and barrier can eventually be stripped off, but a rogue can keep tumbling around forever by using Hook & Tackle to escape breath attacks and Flank Attack or Evade to escape kicks. If the dragon jumps backward, a rogue can instantly gap close, before she breathes on them. Plus their ability to sunder armor, and their high crits even before Mighty Offense... it's a match made in heaven.

And yet, so many people recommend not bringing them to dragon fights. They're fast, and they do high single-target damage! Killing a powerful boss with big telegraphs is exactly what they're good at!

[Lancerhawk13]

I found that the crest wood dragon was the easiest to kill. I did it with a level 13 (though I had two unspent ability points that I was saving for my specialization) archer, with varric, cass, and Solas in my party. All I had to do was just stay in close and spam leaping shot, dodging as necessary.

[GilgameshX]

Well blackwalls new armor is 200 rating with +12 strength

 

Is that good?

 

I upgraded him from a 135 armor rating. Though now his constitution is lower by 8. Should I have had constitution on his new armor?

[Lancerhawk13]

Well blackwalls new armor is 200 rating with +12 strength

Is that good?

I upgraded him from a 135 armor rating. Though now his constitution is lower by 8. Should I have had constitution on his new armor?

[Feranel]

Well blackwalls new armor is 200 rating with +12 strength

 

Is that good?

 

I upgraded him from a 135 armor rating. Though now his constitution is lower by 8. Should I have had constitution on his new armor?

 

8 isn't really gonna make a huge difference for Blackwall, what about the weapons?  Did you upgrade you and your parties weapons to at least T2 or higher?  That's where you are gonna get the most mileage out of upgrades to kill a dragon.

[Lancerhawk13]

What level are you at? 200 armour is fine for 12-17, but later in game you'll want better. If black wall is your tank, I'd say that con is more important, but you should still be fine as is.

[GilgameshX]

Blackwall is lv 13 right now. No I haven't gotten to his weapons since I still haven't found any good tier 2 schematics.

[Feranel]

The shop in Val royeaux sells T2 weapon and armor schematics. go get the weapon and weapon attachment schematics and make weps out of tier 2 mats, use the serrault infused glass from Bonnie Sims if necessary, it should be a decent bump in damage.

[GilgameshX]

Okay I'm looking at the wave blade. It says with a 163 dps and 147 damage. What does that mean? I thought DPS = Damage?

 

Right now I have blackwall equipped with - 'Axe of Green Edges' it has 168 dps and 115 damage. So wouldn't the axe I have equipped be better then the sword since it has 168 dps and the sword would have 163?

[Feranel]

Damage = Damage per hit, which is also how special attacks are calculated.  DPS = damage per second, this is the raw DPS of simply doing regular attacks.

 

That's a pretty good axe so you can probably leave it be, what about your daggers and the rest of the groups weapons?

[GilgameshX]

My main - tempest has an Antivan Dual-Blade. It does 162 dps.  The second blade is a Crow Blade that does 159 dps. His armor is the Masterwork Scout Armor - 129 Armor Rating. With some random bonuses on it.

[Feranel]

I don't remember what the damage for the t2 dagger schematics was. I'd just buy them and compare, if anything you can save before and reload.

[GilgameshX]

I should probably get new armor right?

[Feranel]

I should probably get new armor right?

 

Is that tier 2 or tier 1 armor?  It won't make as huge a difference on a rogue tbh, you get hit by the dragon during the fight it's gonna grease you anyways. When I did it on my rogue I was using evade and stealth non-stop.

[GilgameshX]

Solas has ancient elven robes that have 121 armor rating. +16 magic and other bonuses.  His weapons are a fire and electric staff both doing 66 dps. The ice staff does 60 dps.

 

And Dorian has a fire staff that does 78 dps.

His armor is Superior Enchant Armor. It has a 147 armor rating. +8% cold resis. And 14% Fire resistance.

 

What're your thoughts?

 

And should a Tempest be db? Or just single blade?

[Feranel]

Sounds like it should be good. Did you take the respec advice from earlier? Pincushion in Archery and Cheap shot in Sabotage?  Improved Stealth for clearing the lightning ring and evade for getting out of dodge?

 

Have Blackwall's tactics set with Shield Wall to preferred, that should pretty much keep him alive indefinitely. 

 

Dodge those dragon kicks and dispel those lightnigh aura's you should be good to go.

[GilgameshX]

I didn't get shield wall for him. Is that generally important for blackwall? The build I'm following didn't include that.

[GilgameshX]

I'm using DB, why would I get pincushion? How would that effect my dps?

[Feranel]

I didn't get shield wall for him. Is that generally important for blackwall? The build I'm following didn't include that.

 

Oh good lord yes.  It's important for all sword and shield warriors. My build for SnS tanks (especially NPCs) is the outside of the entire SnS tree, all improved when you can except for improved shield wall it doesn't need the upgrade.  And then the outsides of the Vanguard tree, at least to It'll Cost You and Cutting Words, but they aren't entirely necessary early on, both upgrades to War Cry are necessary, and Challenge on blackwall will be replaced with To the Death pretty early, but Untouchable Defense and Trust the Steel are definite priorities for him.

 

In the Champion tree, head down the left side of the tree to get To the Death as soon as possible, but i would definitely get the entire outer ring of SnS tree and down to Untouchable Defense and Trust the Steel in Vanguard first.

 

Pincushion works with dual daggers as well. Now think about how fast you attack with dual daggers and then think how fast that 5% per hit will stack up?  It's a staple for dual dagger sustained dps.

 

Here is the champion build I use for my champion and Blackwall, obviously ignore the gear and stats as that's all T3 stuff with dragon bone, but that's the spec. Spec is at 3:26 in the video.

 

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[Steppenwolf]

OP, you need to git gud. Even on Nightmare it's possible to kill the weaker dragons at levels 9 or 10. Switch between characters to do specific attacks at specific times, use your focus abilities and have your focus meter full at the start of the fight, and frikkin' listen to the suggestions in this thread. You've been told and even shown exactly how to kill the dragons. It's really not hard.

[GilgameshX]

Steppen I'm not a bad player normally, I've beaten all of the Demon Souls, and Dark Souls games. I just didn't get how the system worked since this game has almost no tutorial in it lol.

[Steppenwolf]

Steppen I'm not a bad player normally, I've beaten all of the Demon Souls, and Dark Souls games. I just didn't get how the system worked since this game has almost no tutorial in it lol.

 

Why would there be a dragon killing tutorial? There's a combat tutorial at the beginning and the tactical camera lets you see every enemy's weaknesses.