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[Hybrid?!]

The grey warden mage Avernus said "the darkspawn taint, THAT is alien to them".

 

The belief has been that the taint was brought back from the black city by corypheus and his fellow magisters,

but If the taint originated in the fade, it seems odd that no spirits knows of it.

 

According to spirits and templars, lyrium has the song. According to darkspawn and grey wardens, the taint

makes them hear a song aswell(though that apparently stops if a darkspawn undergoes the Architects awakening ritual).

 

Yet spirits knows nothing of the taint? Seems very odd.

 

And then of course there is the whole The-taint-predates-the-first-blight thing aswell.

 

We found out in Inquisition that red lyrium has the blight, and Primeval thaig does seem to predate the first blight.

 

Could it be that the darkspawn taint is not from the fade at all?

A song can be heard from both the lyrium and the taint.

Could it be that the red lyrium in Primeval thaig was the result of dwarven experimentation on lyrium?

Perhaps the dwarves created the taint?!

 

Why are there no records of primeval thaig? Why has it seemingly been erased from history?

What was so horrible that it was sealed off and forgotten by its own people?

Perhaps the creation of Red lyrium...and possibly the taint.

 

Of course this clashes with the fact that the magisters DID become darkspawn after entering the fade...humhmmm.

 

Lyrium exists in the world and the fade, if the taint was created in/spread to lyrium, could that be why

the magisters recieved taint in the fade?

Could the red lyrium have caused the taint to spread to the fade?

 

 

In any case, if the taint does come from the fade, spirits not knowing anything about it is pretty weird.

 

 

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

 Considering the blight originated in the deep roads, it would not be surprising if the dwarves had some hand in it long ago, and it's been lost to history. At least, that would be an interesting twist anyway. Dragon age lately has been elves, elves elves, would be nice if we get a little bit of involvement by the other races in Thedas' ancient history.

[Antergaton]

Spirits know because people know, many characters have said about how spirits know things because they see it in the minds of the living. Many argue this is why they know of The Maker at all. Stands to reason they know what the taint is just because it's a physical thing and the veil is rarely torn enough to allow beings physically through, spirits would never encounter it. Spirits have no desire to go to the Black City. Also, when The Maker cast Cory and his crew out of the Golden City, it probably would have been direct, not through the fade route to infect spirits, if they could be tainted.

[Hybrid?!]

 Considering the blight originated in the deep roads, it would not be surprising if the dwarves had some hand in it long ago, and it's been lost to history. At least, that would be an interesting twist anyway. Dragon age lately has been elves, elves elves, would be nice if we get a little bit of involvement by the other races in Thedas' ancient history.

 

Oh i think we will. The remaining "banished" elven gods might be the old gods,the darkspawn taint/the song

causes them to search for the old gods,they're down in the deep roads...only a matter of time!

[Hybrid?!]

Spirits know because people know, many characters have said about how spirits know things because they see it in the minds of the living. Many argue this is why they know of The Maker at all. Stands to reason they know what the taint is just because it's a physical thing and the veil is rarely torn enough to allow beings physically through, spirits would never encounter it. Spirits have no desire to go to the Black City. Also, when The Maker cast Cory and his crew out of the Golden City, it probably would have been direct, not through the fade route to infect spirits, if they could be tainted.

 

But is the taint a physical thing? It has the "song". Spirits comments that the lyrium sings to them,

if the taint comes from the fade itself should the spirits not be able to hear the song of the taint aswell?

[Antergaton]

 

But is the taint a physical thing? It has the "song". Spirits comments that the lyrium sings to them,

if the taint comes from the fade itself should the spirits not be able to hear the song of the taint aswell?

 

 

Lyrium sings to them, not the taint. Lyrium sings to Dwarves too so they can find it, mine it etc. Where is it said that the taint sings? It seems to me the taint is physical as it affects physical things (and isn't air born). Lyrium is said to be a living organism, so red lyrium makes sense. People are living, so it affects them, Old Gods are living so it affect them. 

[Ranadiel Marius]

But is the taint a physical thing? It has the "song". Spirits comments that the lyrium sings to them,
if the taint comes from the fade itself should the spirits not be able to hear the song of the taint aswell?

Regardless of where the taint originates from (which is probably the fade as I believe it to predate the veil meaning there was only the fade when it was made), the Magisters encountered the taint in the Black City and made it part of themselves. I believe it is established that spirits don't go near the city, so it makes sense they don't know of it if it only exists in the fade in the city.

As for why spirits don't hear the song, according to Cole there is some ancient song that was sundered. Assuming the song is the same, then maybe the sundering rendered non blighted creatures deaf to part of the song.

[Hybrid?!]

Lyrium sings to them, not the taint. Lyrium sings to Dwarves too so they can find it, mine it etc. Where is it said that the taint sings? It seems to me the taint is physical as it affects physical things (and isn't air born). Lyrium is said to be a living organism, so red lyrium makes sense. People are living, so it affects them, Old Gods are living so it affect them. 

 

The Mother in Awakening said the Architect took away the song. "you took away that beautiful music and left us with nothing".

I know the taint doesn't sing to spirits that's why i think it might not be from the fade itself.

[Hybrid?!]

Regardless of where the taint originates from (which is probably the fade as I believe it to predate the veil meaning there was only the fade when it was made), the Magisters encountered the taint in the Black City and made it part of themselves. I believe it is established that spirits don't go near the city, so it makes sense they don't know of it if it only exists in the fade in the city.

As for why spirits don't hear the song, according to Cole there is some ancient song that was sundered. Assuming the song is the same, then maybe the sundering rendered non blighted creatures deaf to part of the song.

 

Ooh i didn't think about it being before the veil existed.

If the fade was all around the world back then...hmm, something to ponder!

 

That's interesting! I haven't heard that comment from Cole yet, but yeah it could mean the song from the taint.

If it is, then i wonder if this "sundering" turned the taint from what it was into what is is now.

[Robert Trevelyan]

I may be reading a little between the lines here, but I suspect that the Taint originates from the section of the Fade spoken of as The Void. In the Codex entry for Andruil it refers to the Goddess of The Hunt having gone into the Void to hunt. That they took on an armor constructed of the Void and that it changed her. That it began to corrupt her the longer she stayed in contact with the armour and the Void.

 

My suspicion is that when Fen'harel sealed away the Elven Gods he did so in the Void. Which is part of the Fade, but inaccessible without knowing how to get there. Just like how The Black City is always visible at the centre of the Fade, but cannot be reached without knowing how. I think there is absolutely a tangible link between the two - that The Black City actually is Arlathan transported with the Gods inside it, to the Void.

 

Now stick with me here. The Blight is native to the Void. It currupted the City. It corrupted the Elven Gods, until they became the Twisted Old Gods of Tevinter. Those gods called out to the Waking World, the Magister's of Tevinter answered. And yes, the Blight in Thedas still began with them, but only because they breached the Veil and physically entered the Void. At which point they were corrupted at the very source of the Blight and those fleeing tainted Arlathan brought it back into the real world as the first Darkspawn of Thedas.

 

That's my personal belief, at this time. Spirits exist in The Fade, but maybe NOT within the Void.

[Joseph Warrick]

Why is it strange that the taint is older than the blights? Darkspawn might have been around for a long time before finding the first archdemon.

[Hybrid?!]

I may be reading a little between the lines here, but I suspect that the Taint originates from the section of the Fade spoken of as The Void. In the Codex entry for Andruil it refers to the Goddess of The Hunt having gone into the Void to hunt. That they took on an armor constructed of the Void and that it changed her. That it began to corrupt her the longer she stayed in contact with the armour and the Void.

 

My suspicion is that when Fen'harel sealed away the Elven Gods he did so in the Void. Which is part of the Fade, but inaccessible without knowing how to get there. Just like how The Black City is always visible at the centre of the Fade, but cannot be reached without knowing how. I think there is absolutely a tangible link between the two - that The Black City actually is Arlathan transported with the Gods inside it, to the Void.

 

Now stick with me here. The Blight is native to the Void. It currupted the City. It corrupted the Elven Gods, until they became the Twisted Old Gods of Tevinter. Those gods called out to the Waking World, the Magister's of Tevinter answered. And yes, the Blight in Thedas still began with them, but only because they breached the Veil and physically entered the Void. At which point they were corrupted at the very source of the Blight and those fleeing tainted Arlathan brought it back into the real world as the first Darkspawn of Thedas.

 

That's my personal belief, at this time. Spirits exist in The Fade, but maybe NOT within the Void.

 

Hmm, the black city, physically transported into the fade? It does make sense as to why one can only enter it if

physically in the fade!

 

I agree with you theory, the only thing that does not fit then is the red lyrium in Primeval thaig.

Perhaps the Red lyrium idol was a "gift" from one of the elven gods.

Having temples and statues in the thaig might indicate that they worshipped one of the elven gods as

their own god!

[Robert Trevelyan]

 

Hmm, the black city, physically transported into the fade? It does make sense as to why one can only enter it if

physically in the fade!

 

I agree with you theory, the only thing that does not fit then is the red lyrium in Primeval thaig.

Perhaps the Red lyrium idol was a "gift" from one of the elven gods.

Having temples and statues in the thaig might indicate that they worshipped one of the elven gods as

their own god!

 

 

We do not know of course, regardless of what anybody personally believes happened, know how the Magisters who became the First Darkspawn departed the Black City and returned to the Waking World. We know that they seem to have errupted into The Deep Roads first, at the start of the First Blight, but an exact explanation of how it occurred has as of yet not been revealed.

 

We are told in DAI that Red Lyrium is corrupted by The Blight. The Taint literally lives inside it.

 

So here's my thought...

 

Lyrium is present and naturally grows in The Fade.

 

If Red Lyrium is simply Blighted lyrium, and The Blight itself were to be Native to The Void, then I have to wonder if that Ancient Thaig in Kirkwall wasn't another place where some of the first corrupted Magisters - maybe even Corypheus himself, exited into the Waking World. Who is to that all of the Darkspawn errupting through the First Blight went in the same direction?

 

If this was their exit point from The Void naturally living Red Lyrium may have crept in with them.

 

I know people in Thedas are all 'We've never seen this Red stuff before' but the majority of Darkspawn who exited the Black City arrived bak in Thedas so deep into the Deep Roads that we will probably never see the exit point, to even know if there was REd Lyrium down there.

[Hybrid?!]

We do not know of course, regardless of what anybody personally believes happened, know how the Magisters who became the First Darkspawn departed the Black City and returned to the Waking World. We know that they seem to have errupted into The Deep Roads first, at the start of the First Blight, but an exact explanation of how it occurred has as of yet not been revealed.

 

We are told in DAI that Red Lyrium is corrupted by The Blight. The Taint literally lives inside it.

 

So here's my thought...

 

Lyrium is present and naturally grows in The Fade.

 

If Red Lyrium is simply Blighted lyrium, and The Blight itself were to be Native to The Void, then I have to wonder if that Ancient Thaig in Kirkwall wasn't another place where some of the first corrupted Magisters - maybe even Corypheus himself, exited into the Waking World. Who is to that all of the Darkspawn errupting through the First Blight went in the same direction?

 

If this was their exit point from The Void naturally living Red Lyrium may have crept in with them.

 

I know people in Thedas are all 'We've never seen this Red stuff before' but the majority of Darkspawn who exited the Black City arrived bak in Thedas so deep into the Deep Roads that we will probably never see the exit point, to even know if there was REd Lyrium down there.

 

 

I wonder if it was one of the blighted magisters that created the first broodmother.

Then the darkspawn she birthed went forth to capture and transform more females of all the races.

 

I still wonder how the dwarves of primeval thaig managed to sculpt that idol out of red lyrium without going bonkers!

[tirnoney]

 

I wonder if it was one of the blighted magisters that created the first broodmother.

Then the darkspawn she birthed went forth to capture and transform more females of all the races.

 

I still wonder how the dwarves of primeval thaig managed to sculpt that idol out of red lyrium without going bonkers!

 

 

Up close pictures of the lyrium idol show it as two elves entwined.  I don't think the dwarves created it unless ancient dwarves also worshipped elven gods.

[Hybrid?!]

Up close pictures of the lyrium idol show it as two elves entwined.  I don't think the dwarves created it unless ancient dwarves also worshipped elven gods.

 

Well primeval thaig had temples and statues, maybe they did worship one of the elven gods as their own god,

or maybe the red lyriym idol was supposed to be a gift to the elves.

[myahele]

DA2 Had the "Enigma of Kirkwall" codices that there was something important in the area surrounding Kirkwall. That Kirkwall was built for that reason.

 

Furthermore, there's another abandoned thaig near the forgotten thaig that seems to have experimented with magic. If red lyrium can "sing" then its possible it seeking  to be released long before the 1st blight 

[Xx Serissia xX]

It's the archdemons that they hear singing not the taint itself.  It's how the darkspawn seek out a new archdemon to taint.  Basically think of it like a beacon and the closer you get the louder the beeping is.  Since most darkspawn are basically mindless creatures it may take them hundreds of years to find the next archdemon.  As to if the archdemons were powerful sentient dragons, corrupted elven gods or something else no one knows for sure.

[Heimdall]

The Taint supposedly originates in the Black City, a place spirits apparently can't access any more than mortals by normal means.

So it would be alien to them.

[Hybrid?!]

It's the archdemons that they hear singing not the taint itself.  It's how the darkspawn seek out a new archdemon to taint.  Basically think of it like a beacon and the closer you get the louder the beeping is.  Since most darkspawn are basically mindless creatures it may take them hundreds of years to find the next archdemon.  As to if the archdemons were powerful sentient dragons, corrupted elven gods or something else no one knows for sure.

 

The taint itself is what allows them to hear this song,just like the lyrium allows spirits to hear a song.

[Captmorgan72]

I always thought of the taint as a supernatural virus with a collective hive mind. 

[leaguer of one]

My thoughts...

taint>black city>Arlathan>elven gods>geas

[leaguer of one]

DA2 Had the "Enigma of Kirkwall" codices that there was something important in the area surrounding Kirkwall. That Kirkwall was built for that reason.

 

Furthermore, there's another abandoned thaig near the forgotten thaig that seems to have experimented with magic. If red lyrium can "sing" then its possible it seeking  to be released long before the 1st blight 

AND Kirkwall may of been set up to do the massive blood ritual need for the magesters to get into the fade.

[Daerog]

Souls travel through the blight and one can draw magic from the blight instead of the Fade.

 

I tend to theorize that the blight is like an anti-Fade thing.... like a negative Fade... or something...

 

Lyrium is the physical manifestation of the Fade in the material realm, perhaps the blight is a physical manifestation of... Nothing? The Void? Eeeevvviiillllll??

 

We're not sure if the blight came from the Fade, but we do know the ancient magisters fell out of the Black/Golden City, became darkspawn, and then the Blights started happening.

 

The blight may have always been deep under Thedas and maybe darkspawn didn't exist until the ancient magisters became tied to it somehow.

[In Exile]

Lyrium sings to them, not the taint. Lyrium sings to Dwarves too so they can find it, mine it etc. Where is it said that the taint sings? It seems to me the taint is physical as it affects physical things (and isn't air born). Lyrium is said to be a living organism, so red lyrium makes sense. People are living, so it affects them, Old Gods are living so it affect them.

The song of the old gods is tied to the taint. Red lyrium signs. People cannot hear lyrium the same way.