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[MisterJB]

As per the lore, murdering others in the course of the Game is socially acceptable and will even earn you respect so long as you are not caught doing it. It is good if people suspect you murdered a rival, bad if people know you did. The first means you are a shrewd manipulator, ruthless enough to advance. The second, a buffoon without class.

 

Having your sister murder the Empress in front of the entire court lacks class and subtlety and would mean Gaspard failed at the Game thus, every noble would disavow any allegiance to him.

[Augustei]

And go where? Gaspard is the only one. It's not the army of princes trying to get their piece of throne and recruiting left and right. There were Celene and Gaspard - only! - and nobles could choose either\or. One is gone - the only option left for others is to join the victor. Before the civil war Gaspard could care about "not being caught" in hope to take the throne peacefully (sort of). After the war started - with full force - it was a fight to the death. He already sieged the Val Royeaux, and it would be easy (like it was proved in Halamshiral quest) to simply kill his sister for assassination and get the throne. 

 

I can only repeat - it's a pity to find another plot-hole. 

No, there are others with a claim. Celene and Gaspard are simply the strongest contenders. This is mentioned in The Winter Palace, They have Cousins who could claim it.
Pay attention

[pawswithclaws]

I can only repeat - it's a pity to find another plot-hole. 

Well if you're married to your headcanon there isn't much any of us can do to convince you otherwise. I do not believe people would just fall in line behind Gaspard, a man caught murdering the empress (and failing spectacularly at the Game). There would a civil-war, at best. Just because he's next in line for the throne doesn't mean he's the only one with any claim to it. Any noble worth their salt would be trying to gain leverage in such a situation. You are free to feel it is a plothole, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to feel the same way. *shrug*

[MoonDrummer]

Its pretty easy to guess that when Celene gets murdered, Gaspard is framed and imprisoned/executed. Leaving Orlais with no ruler and a dozen or so minor cousins squabbling as the nation falls. I think you're trollolololing tho.

[Amirit]

Well if you're married to your headcanon there isn't much any of us can do to convince you otherwise. I do not believe people would just fall in line behind Gaspard, a man caught murdering the empress (and failing spectacularly at the Game). There would a civil-war, at best. Just because he's next in line for the throne doesn't mean he's the only one with any claim to it. Any noble worth their salt would be trying to gain leverage in such a situation. You are free to feel it is a plothole, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to feel the same way. *shrug*

 

My "headcanon I am married to" is called "The Masked Empire" - you know, the novel from Bioware (I guess you do not know, oh, well). In that book Gaspard is planning (and even executing" different plans about murdering Celene. But I suspect your dear husband (aka your headcanon) would never let you read or understand that book. Too bad.

[MisterJB]

Yes, in secret!

If it was just as easy as "she dies, I'm Emperor", Gaspard might as well have brought a sword and start hacking away.

[Ogillardetta]

My "headcanon I am married to" is called "The Masked Empire" - you know, the novel from Bioware (I guess you do not know, oh, well). In that book Gaspard is planning (and even executing" different plans about murdering Celene. But I suspect your dear husband (aka your headcanon) would never let you read or understand that book. Too bad.

Yes because The Masked Empire is a really hard book to read and understand.

[Steelcan]

man the Gaspard haters are really trying to stretch it

[The Baconer]

As per the lore, murdering others in the course of the Game is socially acceptable and will even earn you respect so long as you are not caught doing it. It is good if people suspect you murdered a rival, bad if people know you did. The first means you are a shrewd manipulator, ruthless enough to advance. The second, a buffoon without class.

 

Having your sister murder the Empress in front of the entire court lacks class and subtlety and would mean Gaspard failed at the Game thus, every noble would disavow any allegiance to him.

 

Tbh, Gaspard had already failed regardless. He was going to try and assault the negotiations with Fereldan sellswords, with his scheme already being foiled on top of that. That would have been an embarrassing end.

 

Luckily for him, Corypheus, and by extension, the Inquisitor were around to complicate things.

[Barquiel]

I guess he really can't be blamed for this. But I don't really he another reason not to choose Gaspard. The fact that he is a powerhungry, untrustworthy, hypocritical, warmongering racist is a good enough reason for me to hate him.

[ThreeF]

Not really. Gaspard is the scapegoat for Celene's assassination. That's why Orlais falls in the bad future. And it's why Florianne says "I did it for you, brother!" when she actually kills Celene.

 

Get your facts right.

 

I don't think that Florianne knew the future, (I doubt Cory knew it so there is no way he would have told her even if he wanted to),  she was simply doing something that would help her brother to rise in power.

 

But yes it is most probable that if Celene was assassinated Gaspard would be blamed for it and Orlais would be in too much turmoil to react to Cory's invasion. Cory didn't really care if Gaspard would become the next ruler or not, he just wanted to destabilize Orlais.

[MikeJW]

If you chose to let Celene die does it count to a hardened Lelianna?

[Hurbster]

Gaspard wants to get rid of the game and that I support. 

[Steppenwolf]

I love when people don't bother to pay attention to the plot and then declare that BioWare wrote a bad plot.

[MisterJB]

 

Gaspard wants to get rid of the game and that I support. 

 

Should have been the music at the ball, tbh.

 

[pawswithclaws]

My "headcanon I am married to" is called "The Masked Empire" - you know, the novel from Bioware (I guess you do not know, oh, well). In that book Gaspard is planning (and even executing" different plans about murdering Celene. But I suspect your dear husband (aka your headcanon) would never let you read or understand that book. Too bad.

Oh I'm sorry, my version of TME took place before the ball at the Winter Palace, so I missed the part where we were told about what happened after the assassination! As I said in a previous post, yes Gaspard was indeed planning to somehow have Celene removed from the throne, however method worked best. That would indeed include murder (he'd also go for marriage, or her dying in battle). He *knows* very well how to play the Game. That *still* doesn't mean that if he'd been caught in the act, which is how the scene at the ball would've played out without the Inquisition, that everyone would just go "oh well guess you're it then Gaspard, nothing we can do about it!".

 

And yes, it is indeed my headcanon, because there is nothing stated explicit in-game about why Orlaise was in turmoil after Celene's death. Your point is...? I mean, when you aren't too busy trying to take cheap shots at people instead of discussing?

[Steelcan]

I don't think that Florianne knew the future, (I doubt Cory knew it so there is no way he would have told her even if he wanted to),  she was simply doing something that would help her brother to rise in power.

 

But yes it is most probable that if Celene was assassinated Gaspard would be blamed for it and Orlais would be in too much turmoil to react to Cory's invasion. Cory didn't really care if Gaspard would become the next ruler or not, he just wanted to destabilize Orlais.

uhhhhhhhh what?

[Steelcan]

Oh I'm sorry, my version of TME took place before the ball at the Winter Palace, so I missed the part where we were told about what happened after the assassination! As I said in a previous post, yes Gaspard was indeed planning to somehow have Celene removed from the throne, however method worked best. That would indeed include murder (he'd also go for marriage, or her dying in battle). He *knows* very well how to play the Game. That *still* doesn't mean that if he'd been caught in the act, which is how the scene at the ball would've played out without the Inquisition, that everyone would just go "oh well guess you're it then Gaspard, nothing we can do about it!".

He admitted he planned on marrying her off to a Ferelden, not killing her

[pawswithclaws]

He admitted he planned on marrying her off to a Ferelden, not killing her

Pretty sure Gaspard wanted to marry Celene himself. I don't remember him actually telling Celene to her face that he would kill her, no, but it was definitely on his list of options to get rid of her.