Nope. I always wanted to go to Hawaii. Then I went. After an incredible long plane ride, it was hot, humid, and had bugs the size of cats. What little "fun" there was to do there, was easily outpaced by the negatives. Now I appreciate "staycations" more.
I imagine the Golden City would be much the same. All those advertisements of it being a wonderful "tropical" getaway are way over-exaggerated. I'll just stay home.
Nope. I always wanted to go to Hawaii. Then I went. After an incredible long plane ride, it was hot, humid, and had bugs the size of cats. What little "fun" there was to do there, was easily outpaced by the negatives. Now I appreciate "staycations" more.
I imagine the Golden City would be much the same. All those advertisements of it being a wonderful "tropical" getaway are way over-exaggerated. I'll just stay home.
Not a vacation. An expedition. I'm rather expecting conditions to be unpleasant there, but when has that ever bothered a determined scholar?
Yes, very much. If jest to know what Bioware writers would cook up for us. But I bet it would be the "sin/redeemer" guilt nonsense so many religions spew today and in fact DAI allready does. So no original creativity their today allready.
It's not golden anymore and I'm sure bad things would happen if I went there. 
Yes, very much. If jest to know what Bioware writers would cook up for us. But I bet it would be the "sin/redeemer" guilt nonsense so many religions spew today and in fact DAI allready does. So no original creativity their today allready.
That would be disappointing. ME3 already made it clear ME was never my kind of story and that I just deceived myself about that, I'd hate to have to disown DA as well.
Given the only way we would see what the golden city looks like short of the maker returning is if they did a DLC of Coryphues and co breaching it and to see what they saw when they walked the golden halls as Corypheus ranted about. I don't think a return to the golden city is likely even if the maker's return has already been foretold.
Well...no. We don't know that this is the origin of the darkspawn. We know - I'm inclined to treat this as knowledge at this point - that one of those who entered came out as darkspawn, and probably, by extension, the other six as well. That's all. We don't know they were the first darkspawn, and that seems rather unlikely considering the numbers in the first Blight. Also, given the events of DA2, red lyrium has likely been around for longer than the Blights, which suggests that the Blight as a phenomenon is also much older, and by extension, also the darkspawn. The association of the Golden City with Heaven is a quaint conceit of Andrastianism. The City is a location in the Fade, unconnected to any one faith's deity/s as far as we can determine, and if it has a legitimate owner, nobody knows who or what this is.
The possibility of the Blight predating the magisters does not automatically mean the same applies to the Darkspawn.
Corypheus' own dialogue points to this. He does not deny that they "discovered the Darkness".
Even if minuscule residues of Blight existed in Thedas, it is possible only after infecting conscious beings who could actively spread it did the Taint truly become a world threat.
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I'm all for trying things like this once you have some educated guess as to the mechanics and dangers involved. It's sort of like Solas' idea to remove the Veil. It sounds interesting. Frankly, I don't know enough about the Veil or spirits to make some blanket dismissal of the idea as terrible. But, unfortunately for Solas, we also have 0 idea what would really happen if we did this. Even he admits it would be dangerous. The Veil thing at least bears research because many major problems with the world are caused by issues with the Veil and spirits being pulled from the Fade.
With the Golden City, I'm left wondering, why? I can't think of any reason to do it except for idle curiosity. Any positive benefits are 100% hypothetical because we know nothing about it, and meanwhile, it doesn't seem to be causing any problems until people start messing with it. It's like red lyrium. I more or less agree with Varric when he confronts Bianca studying it for idle curiosity. "What, so now you know two horrible things combined create something super awful?"
Now, we have to study stuff like the Blight and red lyrium because of the risk they pose, but it would be a moot point if people hadn't been mucking around with dangerous things they didn't understand for "science" or "glory" or whatever in the first place.
Don't really feel like it's as good as it sounds. Also only my power hungry/evil characters would consider that in the first place.
As of now, no. It sounds as though the place is thoroughly tainted (literally infested with the taint/blight) and so going there as anything but a Darkspawn sounds like a bad idea.
However, there is a reason why I kept the Architect and Avernus (unrestricted) alive. Should we uncover more about the Taint, find ways to neutralize it, then the Golden Black City may be worth the trip.
I like there being some unknowns. Unknowns are why people still argue over Tom Bombadil, having everything explained is boring.
After an incredible long plane ride, it was hot, humid, and had bugs the size of cats.
m8 it's a tropical island in the middle of the pacific. What did you expect?
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I wonder if a Warden could go without becoming tainted.
Yes. I'd definitely have some power-hungry Inquisitors who wouldn't mind usurping the power of the gods and beating Corypheus at his own game. Oh wait, we're supposed to be the hero of the game? Never mind then. XD
Only if the game series ends there.
Considering how much we discovered in DA:I to be an outright lie, I am sure if my inquisitor had the choice, she'd go, just to see what all the fuss is about. I think the black city is like the temple in the Oasis, when the door was closed, the temple gave everyone a "bad feeling" to deter those not bold enough to go inside. Likewise I think the tales of the black city are just rantings from superstitious folk.
I wouldn't say it's ranting from superstitious folk, but you're right, how much we know actually about the Maker? Elves who pre-date Andrastians and the Chantry don't recognize such omni-potent deity and Corypheus states that the City was already black and magisters didn't recongize nor mention him as a deity - they had their own gods... Andraste had to burn, actually, in order to have the idea of the Maker valid in Tevinter Imperium.
There is a huge taboo when it comes to Black City, but there's no valid support in DA so far for the Maker to be an actual viable possibility - even Spirits don't recognize him (Justice never did in DA:A and I'm still not sure what to think when it comes to 'Divine' in the Fade).
We saw that magisters of old are true, Elven deities... and we saw and used Andraste's ashes (even though the entire temple was actually lying on lyrium). The only one who was sort of foreshadowing the Maker (and that is questionable, depending on interpretation) is Sandal actually in his prophecy.
Perhaps the Maker is just like Eru and the Western Wind and the Eagles in LotR... but so far, he's not showing actual signs of the existence at all.
Nope, going there seems to be a bad idea.
indeed, it's a silly place
It would be fascinating, but probably a very bad idea. At least, not until the protagonist knows much much more about its nature and what the possible repurcussions would be.
The possibility of the Blight predating the magisters does not automatically mean the same applies to the Darkspawn.
Corypheus' own dialogue points to this. He does not deny that they "discovered the Darkness".
Even if minuscule residues of Blight existed in Thedas, it is possible only after infecting conscious beings who could actively spread it did the Taint truly become a world threat.
yep, that line from corypheus kinda stuck with me, about the magisters "discovering" the darkness and not being the ones who in fact caused it. I think it was always there, waiting to get out and perhaps that was the point of the magisters going there to begin with. It was a ploy by whatever ancient forces exist in the black city to get out. That being said, this darkness or whatever it is seems to have been released already, thedas has already suffered from multiple blights and darkspawn. I'd figure, what the hell else could go wrong? Might be something in that city that can be used towards a more enlightened purpose, or at least some knowledge lost long ago that could be a key to eliminating the blights for good.
I always keep in mind one thing even with what Corypheus says about darkness and dead whispers already being there, one that the city was certainly golden at one time and two that he rants about walking the golden halls which requires there to be golden halls to walk though.
Nah... FormerFiend kind of convinced me that it's a bad idea. The Herald of Andraste would be 'too powerful'. No one could top him after that. Playing prophet is good enough for me.
You've just convinced me. I would tots' do it!
When I'm powerful to the point all of thedas and the fade bends the knee to me? Then i'd say its only just enough power.
I think I would send someone else first and see what happens.
Maybe grey wardens , they already got the Blight.
Also I would try to find other Tevinter magisters , possible one of them has a better idea of what happened.
So far we have Darkness , Dead Whispers , getting the Blight (though the magisters are different from your average ghoul , so there's something else going on) and somehow getting cast out of the Fade.
It's possible the city is just an illusion anyway , and the whole thing is just a Blight container looking a bit fancy.
I wouldn't say it's ranting from superstitious folk, but you're right, how much we know actually about the Maker? Elves who pre-date Andrastians and the Chantry don't recognize such omni-potent deity and Corypheus states that the City was already black and magisters didn't recongize nor mention him as a deity - they had their own gods... Andraste had to burn, actually, in order to have the idea of the Maker valid in Tevinter Imperium.
There is a huge taboo when it comes to Black City, but there's no valid support in DA so far for the Maker to be an actual viable possibility - even Spirits don't recognize him (Justice never did in DA:A and I'm still not sure what to think when it comes to 'Divine' in the Fade).
We saw that magisters of old are true, Elven deities... and we saw and used Andraste's ashes (even though the entire temple was actually lying on lyrium). The only one who was sort of foreshadowing the Maker (and that is questionable, depending on interpretation) is Sandal actually in his prophecy.
Perhaps the Maker is just like Eru and the Western Wind and the Eagles in LotR... but so far, he's not showing actual signs of the existence at all.
Not showing signs of existance? Riiiight. This isn't Pokemon you know, you don't just 'catch' God. The Maker in this representation of a higher being is much like Marvel's The One Above All. All powerful beings, no matter how godly speak of one being that is far more than they can ever understand. That is the God of that world, like the God of our world. An omni-potent being of so much power that trying to comprehend their existence is hard enough.
Thedas exists. There is your proof of viable possibility.
This is a fictional world and you argue that The Maker might not exist in it, yet are happy to accept the Eru from LofR does?
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