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[TheOgre]

Gaider and the rest of the DA team have already said numerous times that they are interested in going in this direction, though.  I can understand you wanting to see more diverse options for straight males.  I'm totally supportive of that.  I feel like straight guys have the least diversity in their options in the series (5 humans, 1 elf).  But you aren't entitled to more just because you are the majority.  The devs have been clear about that.

 

Their decisions aren't really affecting their overall sales that much.   To be honest, the vast majority of straight guys aren't interested in boycotting future games because of the male romance options.  And the few that do are replaced by the additional female and/or LGBT players that the game attracts.  This is a case of a game company deciding to create games that they want to make, versus being pressured to create games that people think they should make.  That's what we (the gaming community) have been asking for and Bioware is doing it.  The problem is that they are doing it in a way that the majority wasn't expecting. 

 

I disagree that straight guys were neglected.  Cassandra is one of the best written characters in the game.  I agree that Josephine is a dud, but Cass is fantastic.  Straight guys got the same amount of options that they've always gotten and the same amount of options as gay guys and lesbians.  Hopefully you like the options in the next game better.  I didn't like either of my options in the last game, but I didn't see that as a slight against my demographic.

 

I was used to having options like Morrigan, and Isabella. They were strong, confident women. Cassandra fell short of the confidence unfortunately.She was cute in her moments of weakness, like the part where I ambushed her while she read swords and shields (spoilers, oh wait, too late to read that). But at a lot of moments she faltered, or regretted her actions. I don't like this in a woman. The short hair, I can overlook because its superficial, and her features were cute (liked her a lot better in da2, I admit they were more doll like however, but you can argue that the hair in this game is so dull and lifeless..) 

 

entitlement? Since I take issue with this, I will argue against this. I didn't feel like I had a fair representation in this game. You, or anyone else can legitimately say I was represented, but I won't feel it. I wanted my diversity to be fair. I still maintain that we weren't fairly represented, and I only argued from the percentage of gaming population to argue that they wanted to go in that direction (Gaider's direction), they already had the male population so they diversified, which left us slightly shafted. Slightly, but still, shafted.

[Lord Surinen]

I can see it now. Straight Males vs. BioWare. It'll be like the trial in Miracle on 34th Street. The lawyer calls in some men carrying sacks full of receipts for each purchase by these guys as his Exhibit A.

I'm glad you see it.

 

It's not agenda to have different kind of people in the games, sexualities included.

Depends on the differences and the people. Currently it is an agenda.

 

If it were actually equal, which I don't feel it was, I suspect a lot of those 'receipts' would have vanished too, but quite a bit are actually due to bugs/inability to play their hard copy of DA:I thanks to game breaking bugs.

I don't know DA:I sales, but they are probably decent. I would hope for it to be small and get interest of EA suits to close this agenda business and focus on well, us.

 

If this guy's posts on the BSN are an actual glimpse inside his head and not some sort of trollish performance art, his inner life is terrifying.

 

He sure is fun to read though.

 

(Not *fun* fun, but you know what I mean.)

'(...) gazes into you.'

[FKA_Servo]

I don't know DA:I sales, but they are probably decent. I would hope for it to be small and get interest of EA suits to close this agenda business and focus on well, us.
 

 

Or you could move on to a different game and a different company. It's not some new revelation that Bioware likes putting this stuff in, since, you know, they've been doing it for more than a decade now.

 

Maybe stick to Skyrim and mod in all the awful things you want?

[TheOgre]

Or you could move on to a different game and a different company. It's not some new revelation that Bioware likes putting this stuff in, since, you know, they've been doing it for more than a decade now.

 

Maybe stick to Skyrim and mod in all the awful things you want?

 

oh typical, telling one player to get out of a game franchise you don't agree with their line of thought over.. If I did this, you'd have 10 different people like a post where you rightly tell me off.

[daveliam]

oh typical, telling one player to get out of a game franchise you don't agree with their line of thought over.. If I did this, you'd have 10 different people like a post where you rightly tell me off.

 

Well, think about it this way.  If you are unhappy with your representation in DA, there are many other choices for you.  If I am unhappy with my representation in DA, there are almost no other choices.  That's the only difference, in my view.  I wish I had the luxury of having almost 100% of the games represent me.  You'd never hear a peep out of me if that were the case. 

[Xiomara]

In regards to Straight women's options, yes, I'd say we did get the shaft.

No, the shaft is what straight women playing a straight Femshep got in the Mass Effect trilogy. Straight women got a whopping two more (race gated) options. I suspect the romance imbalance has far more to do with male party members outnumbering females by almost 2:1 than any kind of agenda to deny romances to hetero men. Oh but why not make more female characters? Dragon Age's writers have gone on record saying that they don't add characters purely because people want more boning options. I also suspect that if the party had an equal amount or even slightly more women than men, certain demographics would still be playing the "agenda" card and saying feminists are taking over.

[Panda]

I was used to having options like Morrigan, and Isabella. They were strong, confident women. Cassandra fell short of the confidence unfortunately.She was cute in her moments of weakness, like the part where I ambushed her while she read swords and shields (spoilers, oh wait, too late to read that). But at a lot of moments she faltered, or regretted her actions. I don't like this in a woman. The short hair, I can overlook because its superficial, and her features were cute (liked her a lot better in da2, I admit they were more doll like however, but you can argue that the hair in this game is so dull and lifeless..) 

 

entitlement? Since I take issue with this, I will argue against this. I didn't feel like I had a fair representation in this game. You, or anyone else can legitimately say I was represented, but I won't feel it. I wanted my diversity to be fair. I still maintain that we weren't fairly represented, and I only argued from the percentage of gaming population to argue that they wanted to go in that direction (Gaider's direction), they already had the male population so they diversified, which left us slightly shafted. Slightly, but still, shafted.

 

The thing is that everyone doesn't like everything. I don't usually get the romance I want either, well this time around I got Dorian and I get him by making male Inquisitor but if I wasn't open to play character who is opposite sex than me I wouldn't have one that I like in DAI draft either. I will romance Cullen and Cassandra as well but I'm not as attracted to them and how their romance plays out (yuck, sweet and romantic).

 

Well it's entitlement when someone says he should have more than others just because he's part of some group ^^ I think more equal numbers for everyone would have been nicer though. It would have given me more space to craft my characters as well. That said, I think it's ridiculous for some to say there is some kind of agenda against straight men just because they don't have more options than 2 XD

[FKA_Servo]

oh typical, telling one player to get out of a game franchise you don't agree with their line of thought over.. If I did this, you'd have 10 different people like a post where you rightly tell me off.

 

Dig into his post history. Bring some popcorn and a bucket.

 

Anyway, all I'm saying is that if you easily get mad about RPGs that feature non-straight representation, inclusive characters and so forth, maybe you'd rather not play games from the guys who have stated in no uncertain terms that this is the direction they wish to take, to pretty much widespread applause. I'm basically also re-iterating something that the lead writer of the series said.

 

Aren't most of you guys of the opinion that Bioware is a blight on the nation for making games for console kiddies or something anyway?

Modifié par TommyServo, 26 janvier 2015 - 02:41 .

[TheOgre]

No, the shaft is what straight women playing a straight Femshep got in the Mass Effect trilogy. Straight women got a whopping two more (race gated) options. I suspect the romance imbalance has far more to do with male party members outnumbering females by almost 2:1 than any kind of agenda to deny romances to hetero men. Oh but why not make more female characters? Dragon Age's writers have gone on record saying that they don't add characters purely because people want more boning options. I also suspect that if the party had an equal amount or even slightly more women than men, certain demographics would still be playing the "agenda" card and saying feminists are taking over.

 

(Wait man not going to disagree, but, I thought femshep, can only be human...)

 

 

Well, think about it this way.  If you are unhappy with your representation in DA, there are many other choices for you.  If I am unhappy with my representation in DA, there are almost no other choices.  That's the only difference, in my view.  I wish I had the luxury of having almost 100% of the games represent me.  You'd never hear a peep out of me if that were the case. 

 

Are you telling me that I have to abandon Dragon Age Universe, a universe I thoroughly enjoy, because I complain about how little care they put into diversity for my orientation? If I ****** told you that right now I'd get so many people down my neck. That's a freaking double standard and you know it. I KNOW you guys don't have fair representation. ALL I ASKED was for representation, fair representation. 

 

These ****** forums, you think you understand people but nope.

 

edit, not going to edit what I said previously because that's sneaky.

 

I'm not leaving the DA universe because there was so much potential, which DA:I i felt did not capture. I loved Origins, and I love DA2, I like the mage templar conflict, I like the dark spawn and I like the conflict between Tevinter, and the southern nations. I voiced my opinion because I love this franchise, and having people tell me you should play something else so they don't have to read my feedback is just insulting.

[papercut_ninja]

...and yet...still no cougars, ever, in any BW game...unless you count Liara since she is technically over a hundred years old...

 

Until I get my cougar I declare all your whining invalid!

 

...Flemeth, I am looking at you, you sexy beast God...

[TheOgre]

...and yet...still no cougars, ever, in any BW game...unless you count Liara since she is technically over a hundred years old...

 

Until I get my cougar I declare all your whining invalid!

 

...Flemeth, I am looking at you, you sexy beast God...

I think you should be able to get your cougar. I don't like her, but I believe you SHOULD be able to.

[daveliam]

Are you telling me that I have to abandon Dragon Age Universe, a universe I thoroughly enjoy, because I complain about how little care they put into diversity for my orientation? If I ****** told you that right now I'd get so many people down my neck. That's a freaking double standard and you know it. I KNOW you guys don't have fair representation. ALL I ASKED was for representation, fair representation. 

 

These ****** forums, you think you understand people but nope.

 

No.  I'm not saying that at all.  I said that I want to see more diverse options for straight males.  The only thing that I don't agree with is the fact that just because there are more of you, you should get more options because that's not how Bioware wants to do it and I don't think it's fair to tell them to change how they want to make their games.  Just like you don't see me on the CD Projekt forums demanding representation in the Witcher games. 

 

I was pointing out, like a "silver lining", that you are lucky that if you do decide to leave Bioware behind, you have a ton of options still.  I don't have that luxury.  It wasn't meant to insinuate that you should leave Bioware behind.  In fact, I pointed out earlier that I hope that you are satisfied with your options in the next game.  I don't want to see any fans alienated.

 

Hope that makes more sense now. 

[ThreeF]

Are you telling me that I have to abandon Dragon Age Universe, a universe I thoroughly enjoy, because I complain about how little care they put into diversity for my orientation?

 

All male LI in DA are broken guy ™, at least guys can pick between a rebel and a damsel.

[Xiomara]

(Wait man not going to disagree, but, I thought femshep, can only be human...)
 
 

 

Sorry, my bad. I meant the straight female Inquisitor only gets 2 more options. Turian Femshep would have made my day tho.

[TheOgre]

No.  I'm not saying that at all.  I said that I want to see more diverse options for straight males.  The only thing that I don't agree with is the fact that just because there are more of you, you should get more options because that's not how Bioware wants to do it and I don't think it's fair to tell them to change how they want to make their games.  Just like you don't see me on the CD Projekt forums demanding representation in the Witcher games. 

 

I was pointing out, like a "silver lining", that you are lucky that if you do decide to leave Bioware behind, you have a ton of options still.  I don't have that luxury.  It wasn't meant to insinuate that you should leave Bioware behind.  In fact, I pointed out earlier that I hope that you are satisfied with your options in the next game.  I don't want to see any fans alienated.

 

Hope that makes more sense now. 

 

It is my opinion that it's so fucked up in the gaming world that there isn't more options for gays or lesbians, when it comes to games with this kind of setting (romance or adult sexual things). I'm glad organizations like GLAAD exist. I don't think it's right one bit that they have one but you can't have the other just because you didn't like your option.

 

You are right, if I did leave bioware behind and said **** it all, there's games like witcher (which, honestly, i'm not too big on because it seems like one big harem) that cater to my orientation. I am indeed fortunate. I wanted DAI to deliver what DAO and DA2 did for my female character preferences but it did not, so I voiced my opinion and liked a few controversial posts because I was partially in their camp. I will never tell anyone they shouldn't have LGBT representation. This industry is too far behind on the times. But this is MY universe that I enjoyed. So I am indeed kicking and flailing about angrily because I wanted things that did not happen. So hopefully this happens in the next universe.

[TheOgre]

Sorry, my bad. I meant the straight female Inquisitor only gets 2 more options. Turian Femshep would have made my day tho.

 

Oh -- sorry -- hah, yeah, ****. Sorry about that :/ I don't think it's fair male shepherd got that many options in comparison to female.

[papercut_ninja]

I would like to point out that where there are no viable romancing options, masturbation is a perfectly valid option, you can even craft your very own one-handed shafts and staff grips in the Undercroft...

[Lord Surinen]

Or you could move on to a different game and a different company. It's not some new revelation that Bioware likes putting this stuff in, since, you know, they've been doing it for more than a decade now.

 

Maybe stick to Skyrim and mod in all the awful things you want?

There are not many AAA rpgs made. I would rather see BioWare change and drop forcing agendas on people.

 

Idon't want awful things, but the opposite of it.

[FKA_Servo]

It is my opinion that it's so fucked up in the gaming world that there isn't more options for gays or lesbians, when it comes to games with this kind of setting (romance or adult sexual things). I'm glad organizations like GLAAD exist. I don't think it's right one bit that they have one but you can't have the other just because you didn't like your option.

 

You are right, if I did leave bioware behind and said **** it all, there's games like witcher (which, honestly, i'm not too big on because it seems like one big harem) that cater to my orientation. I am indeed fortunate. I wanted DAI to deliver what DAO and DA2 did for my female character preferences but it did not, so I voiced my opinion and liked a few controversial posts because I was partially in their camp. I will never tell anyone they shouldn't have LGBT representation. This industry is too far behind on the times. But this is MY universe that I enjoyed. So I am indeed kicking and flailing about angrily because I wanted things that did not happen. So hopefully this happens in the next universe.

 

Well, strictly speaking... you had two, just like DAO and DA2.

 

Maybe this doesn't apply to you, but the issue is that in even in some far flung fantasy future game where straight dudes have 8 options, some of them will still lose their minds because the gays and ladies might have 12. For some people, like the elf supremacist up there, having even one is too many.

[HuldraDancer]

Sorry, my bad. I meant the straight female Inquisitor only gets 2 more options. Turian Femshep would have made my day tho.

 

That would have been the most amazing thing ever!

 

Okay back to lurker mode again.

[TheOgre]

-snip- learning how to snip to cut down on page scrolling space for people. sorry

 

Aren't most of you guys of the opinion that Bioware is a blight on the nation for making games for console kiddies or something anyway?

 

No! No no no sir, no, I'm afraid they are becoming it and I don't like it one bit. I want EA to stop forcing Bioware to appeal only to the console industry. PC gamers matter too. The sales don't show it but these are the kind of games that should shine best on a pc because of the power available to it. The UI we got, and the controls we have for pc are not as bad as companies like Fromsoft japan that port these games and tell you, "Good luck". I fear the day that this practice becomes the norm.

[Inquisitor2015]

I don't think they will add more companions through DLC's they have said that they will not add anymore characters due to the Mass effect 3 outrage over having character coding on the disc but you need to have the DLC

[daveliam]

It is my opinion that it's so fucked up in the gaming world that there isn't more options for gays or lesbians, when it comes to games with this kind of setting (romance or adult sexual things). I'm glad organizations like GLAAD exist. I don't think it's right one bit that they have one but you can't have the other just because you didn't like your option.

 

You are right, if I did leave bioware behind and said **** it all, there's games like witcher (which, honestly, i'm not too big on because it seems like one big harem) that cater to my orientation. I am indeed fortunate. I wanted DAI to deliver what DAO and DA2 did for my female character preferences but it did not, so I voiced my opinion and liked a few controversial posts because I was partially in their camp. I will never tell anyone they shouldn't have LGBT representation. This industry is too far behind on the times. But this is MY universe that I enjoyed. So I am indeed kicking and flailing about angrily because I wanted things that did not happen. So hopefully this happens in the next universe.

 

I agree with all of this.  I don't want to see DA become a franchise that excludes or alienates straight guys.  That serves no one.  Personally, I think that they should have just stuck with the 6 original romances and used the additional development time to enhance those stories.  And, like I said, I've been a big proponent of seeing more diversity in the straight male romances.  You've had 5 humans and 1 elf.  I think that the ones that you've had have all been fairly unique, but it would be nice to see another elf.  Or a dwarf.  Or a qunari.

 

Really, it just seems like you don't like your two options.  I get that.  I really didn't like my two options in DA 2.  I made due with Anders because I think it made for a compelling story if mage Hawke romanced Anders and then had to deal with a terrorist boyfriend.  But I really didn't like either of them at all.  I'm fortunate in DA: I that I love one of my options and like the other okay.  It makes the world of difference if you like your options.  It's why ME 3 will always be my favorite ME game because I loved both of my options.  Hopefully, the straight and bisexual gals in DA 4 are more to your tastes.

[FKA_Servo]

There are not many AAA rpgs made. I would rather see BioWare change and drop forcing agendas on people.

 

Idon't want awful things, but the opposite of it.

 

Bioware is the answer to the question "if you guys want it so much, why don't you make your own games?"

 

No further comment on your other claims.

[daveliam]

There are not many AAA rpgs made. I would rather see BioWare change and drop forcing agendas on people.

 

Idon't want awful things, but the opposite of it.

 

The fact that you can't see the hypocrisy in your statements is breathtaking.

 

Bioware has stated that this is the direction that they want to go with this franchise.  It is you who is trying to force your agenda on the developer and make them change their vision to suit your personal tastes.  It is exactly what you are accusing others of doing and the fact that you can't see it is astounding.  I really used to think you were just a troll.  Now I am starting to feel bad for you, to be honest.