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[TheOgre]

Well, strictly speaking... you had two, just like DAO and DA2.

 

Maybe this doesn't apply to you, but the issue is that in even in some far flung fantasy future game where straight dudes have 8 options, some of them will still lose their minds because the gays and ladies might have 12. For some people, like the elf supremacist up there, having even one is too many.

 

True, we did have two, in every game.. I just Cassandra, surprisingly so was so familiar to Josie. Romantic inquisitor, when you had the bad boy romances like Isabella and Morrigan. 

[FKA_Servo]

True, we did have two, in every game.. I just Cassandra, surprisingly so was so familiar to Josie. Romantic inquisitor, when you had the bad boy romances like Isabella and Morrigan. 

 

So the issue is you didn't like both of your options, then. But what if you were stuck with just Zevran? Or just Liara? Or just Leliana?

 

It's not my intent to make anyone feel like a jerk. But I think that for the folks who legitimately feel slighted by this, it should be accompanied by a sort of realization of "Oh! Now I know how everyone else feels!" rather than a predictable tantrum when they suddenly find that they're not the primary focus for pretty much the first time ever. Perhaps this "imbalance" is one way for them to make up for lost time. Who knows?

Modifié par TommyServo, 26 janvier 2015 - 03:05 .

[TheOgre]

So the issue is you didn't like both of your options, then. But what if you were stuck with just Zevran? Or just Liara? Or just Leliana?

 

It's not my intent to make anyone feel like a jerk. But I think that for the folks who legitimately feel slighted by this, it should be accompanied by a sort of realization of "Oh! Now I know how everyone else feels!" rather than a predictable tantrum when they suddenly find that they're not the primary focus for pretty much the first time ever. Perhaps this "imbalance" is one way to make up for lost time. Who knows?

 

I read your post at first, seething. Then confused, with a thought that popped up.

 

If you don't care too much about what I'm complaining about, then why even bother replying? I already told you, and every other person in this thread why I'm not happy. I felt they focused so much on LGBT that the options, diversity mind you, were so bland for straight males? There shouldn't be any confusion at this point.

I already said I don't agree with how the industry is so behind on the times. I also said I don't think it's fair to limit a persons decision. I said that it was MY opinion they focused so much on the LGBT, and straight female options that I didn't get anything unique romance wise. So, yes, I am going to post my opinions. I do feel slighted by this, and yes I now know how it felt for others, despite agreeing it wasn't fair for the other games. 

 

So what do you really want from me? Not to post my feedback? Because so far, it shouldn't be any surprise what I say.

[Lord Surinen]

Bioware is the answer to the question "if you guys want it so much, why don't you make your own games?"

 

No further comment on your other claims.

Then this question should be erased. I did not lose mind, but I do not support equality in any form, especially when small, tiny itsy bits minorities are to share similar gains. If the straight males are the biggest monetary contributors then in my opinion they should get the most out of it. Main focus should lay with the norm.

 

Firstly you comment on it, now you refrain. Well, it fits.

[Lord Surinen]

The fact that you can't see the hypocrisy in your statements is breathtaking.

 

Bioware has stated that this is the direction that they want to go with this franchise.  It is you who is trying to force your agenda on the developer and make them change their vision to suit your personal tastes.  It is exactly what you are accusing others of doing and the fact that you can't see it is astounding.  I really used to think you were just a troll.  Now I am starting to feel bad for you, to be honest.

It is not an agenda when you serve the norm. It is merely an orderly served meal for the healthy majority of consumers. I'm flattered, but I do not feel anything for you.

[Panda]

There are not many AAA rpgs made. I would rather see BioWare change and drop forcing agendas on people.

 

Idon't want awful things, but the opposite of it.

 

AAA games are overrated and buggy anyways, indies do much better these days.

 

That would have been the most amazing thing ever!

 

Okay back to lurker mode again.

 

Personally I'd prefer female Drell PC. Maybe in Mass Effect 4? ^^

[daveliam]

It is not an agenda when you serve the norm. It is merely an orderly served meal for the healthy majority of consumers. I'm flattered, but I do not feel anything for you.

 

It is an agenda when you try to force a company to change their viewpoint to meet your specific interests.  Period.  You are just not used to being on the "agenda" side when it comes to a video game company.  The view isn't as nice from this side, huh?

[KaiserShep]

I did not lose mind, but I do not support equality in any form, especially when small, tiny itsy bits minorities are to share similar gains.

 

Well betcha-by-golly-wow. A plot twist for the ages.

[FKA_Servo]

Then this question should be erased. I did not lose mind, but I do not support equality in any form, especially when small, tiny itsy bits minorities are to share similar gains. If the straight males are the biggest monetary contributors then in my opinion they should get the most out of it. Main focus should lay with the norm.

 

Firstly you comment on it, now you refrain. Well, it fits.

 

I know you don't support equality in any form, that's apparent. I'm just saying that your position is not a popular one.

 

I guess you're right though. Maybe we should make this into another thread about how "Lord Surinen wants the option to sexually subjugate his companions."

[FKA_Servo]

I read your post at first, seething. Then confused, with a thought that popped up.

 

If you don't care too much about what I'm complaining about, then why even bother replying? I already told you, and every other person in this thread why I'm not happy. I felt they focused so much on LGBT that the options, diversity mind you, were so bland for straight males? There shouldn't be any confusion at this point.

I already said I don't agree with how the industry is so behind on the times. I also said I don't think it's fair to limit a persons decision. I said that it was MY opinion they focused so much on the LGBT, and straight female options that I didn't get anything unique romance wise. So, yes, I am going to post my opinions. I do feel slighted by this, and yes I now know how it felt for others, despite agreeing it wasn't fair for the other games. 

 

So what do you really want from me? Not to post my feedback? Because so far, it shouldn't be any surprise what I say.

 

Well, there's nothing to stop you from choosing to play different characters and trying different romances. I don't really see how Josie and Cass are inherently bland or overly similar to each other, personally. If there's no one in the whole cast who you'd like to pursue, well... sorry?

 

If you're only going to ever go for the straight male options, and you didn't get anything that you feel was "unique" - well... roll of the dice I guess. So, sorry?

 

If you're in sincere disagreement about the backwards state of the industry, it seems hypocritical to complain about the one developer that tries to address it.

[ThreeF]

I read your post at first, seething. Then confused, with a thought that popped up.

 

If you don't care too much about what I'm complaining about, then why even bother replying? I already told you, and every other person in this thread why I'm not happy. I felt they focused so much on LGBT that the options, diversity mind you, were so bland for straight males? There shouldn't be any confusion at this point.

 

You seem to think that all straight males share your opinion on the options being bland. Many liked their options very much. You were getting your sexy rebel without cause ™ for 2 games straight, BW decided to go with rebel with cause this time around and if you think about it in a sense what BW did is diversity . You just didn't got what you as a person wanted, that's all, there is no imbalance in that, no unfairness. It only has to do with your particular tastes not being met.

[Lord Surinen]

AAA games are overrated and buggy anyways, indies do much better these days.

 

 

Personally I'd prefer female Drell PC. Maybe in Mass Effect 4? ^^

I agree to some degree, but indies these seem to focus on turn based combat. I don't like it anymore.

 

It is an agenda when you try to force a company to change their viewpoint to meet your specific interests.  Period.  You are just not used to being on the "agenda" side when it comes to a video game company.  The view isn't as nice from this side, huh?

It is not an agenda. It is not a company's viewpoint most definately. I would like to see an order restored

 

Well betcha-by-golly-wow. A plot twist for the ages.

Nothing really new. I get shivers whenever I see word 'equality'.

 

I know you don't support equality in any form, that's apparent. I'm just saying that your position is not a popular one.

 

I guess you're right though. Maybe we should make this into another thread about how "Lord Surinen wants the option to sexually subjugate his companions."

If it is not the popular one then what I suggest will never pass. For now, I will remainw here I'm, in the position of "I want x y z'.

 

You seem to like mention it whenever I appear. It is good to have fantasies. Just to clarify it: my suggestion was about breeding, not the thing you say, although I'm not progressive so I don't understand this updated english language. I struggle with the normal grammar, yeah, no subjugation.

[daveliam]

If you're in sincere disagreement about the backwards state of the industry, it seems hypocritical to complain about the one developer that tries to address it.

 

In his defense, unless I missed it, Vargh wasn't actually complaining about LGBT representation anywhere.  He was advocating for more/'better' options for straight guys.  At least that's how I've read the posts this morning.  Not sure if I missed something earlier.

[KaiserShep]

You seem to think that all straight males share your opinion on the options being bland. Many liked their options very much. You were getting your sexy rebel without cause ™ for 2 games straight, BW decided to go with rebel with cause this time around and if you think about it in a sense what BW did is diversity . You just didn't got what you as a person wanted, that's all, there is no imbalance in that, no unfairness. It only has to do with your particular tastes not being met.

 

The Guild of Evangelical Heteronormativity doesn't look kindly on this sort of talk, yanno.

[xkg]

It is not an agenda when you serve the norm. It is merely an orderly served meal for the healthy majority of consumers. I'm flattered, but I do not feel anything for you.

 

There are restaurants that serves special food not meant for majority - caviar, frogs legs etc.

If you like food analogies, Bioware is like Swedish table. There is something for everyone on it. If you don't like that others have equal options there is not much you can do. You can always leave the party.

[Lord Surinen]

There are restaurants that serves special food not meant for majority - caviar, frogs legs etc.

If you like food analogies, Bioware is like Swedish table. There is something for everyone on it. If you don't like that others have equal options there is not much you can do. You can always leave the party.

Sure, but when they start to serve frog legs shaped arsenic then-----

Well, I hope for the positive changes. I want more straight female romances, just like great many other straight males who are fed with BioWare's agenda.

[FKA_Servo]

In his defense, unless I missed it, Vargh wasn't actually complaining about LGBT representation anywhere.  He was advocating for more/'better' options for straight guys.  At least that's how I've read the posts this morning.  Not sure if I missed something earlier.

 

He did, and I broadly agree as well. But in that second post I responded to, he came off as a bit petulant. If he really doesn't like any of the options open to him this time around, and he's unwilling to play a different character, try some of the other romances open to him - it's not really anyone else's fault.

 

Sure, but when they start to serve frog legs shaped arsenic then-----

Well, I hope for the positive changes. I want more straight female romances, just like great many other straight males who are fed with BioWare's agenda.

 

IE, a couple dozen individuals on the forum.

 

The overwhelming majority is likely just playing the game and this little crusade hasn't even occurred to them.

[Lord Surinen]

He did, and I broadly agree as well. But in that second post I responded to, he came off as a bit petulant. If he really doesn't like any of the options open to him this time around, and he's unwilling to play a different character, try some of the other romances open to him - it's not really anyone else's fault.

 

 

IE, a couple dozen individuals on the forum.

 

The overwhelming majority is likely just playing the game and this little crusade hasn't even occurred to them.

Yes, but it is not said that they will come back for the next installment. Not even I would be here if not for the broken-glued male elvhes.

[KaiserShep]

I want more straight female romances, just like great many other straight males who are fed with BioWare's agenda.

 

It's high time that the 8 or so of you rise up and show the big machine in Canada that you're unafraid.

[HuldraDancer]

Personally I'd prefer female Drell PC. Maybe in Mass Effect 4? ^^

 

So much yes! Triple yes if female Krogan is an option

 

I am bad at being a lurker right now >.>

[Panda]

I think Bioware would do financially very stupid decision if they were to cut content away from female and LGBT+ players and only targeted straight male demographic. There is lot of companies who mainly do that so lot of competition as well. Who would say that Bioware could be able to snatch players away from Rockstar, Ubisoft or other major companies by this stunt? Promoting game for straight male demographic but also for female gamers and LGBT+ gamers is clever from them, they get largest possible audience if they do it well and also less competition in terms of female and LGBT+ players who don't have lot of games that would have content dedicated for them (though these players might still enjoy other games as well even if the content wouldn't be aimed for them).

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

These threads never fail to annoy me, straight males having most options = perfectly fine, straight males have same amount as everyone = an evil agenda trying to oppress their rights was perfectly fine to them to tell straight women to STFO when they were unhappy about their choices in ME3

[Mummy22kids]

I haven't read all the responses but I'd just like to say you straight men have no idea how good you have it in the game.  I mean I'm playing a female elf, trying to romance Sera but it's s hard to resist Cullen, Solas and IB (whom I have romanced in previous playthroughs).  I've ended up flirting with all of them, and I know someone's feelings will be hurt, then I feel guilty! At least you won't have as much of a problem with that.  Count yourself lucky,

 

Sorry for any typos or grammatical errors, I haven't had any coffee yet.

[Lord Surinen]

It's high time that the 8 or so of you rise up and show the big machine in Canada that you're unafraid.

Please, refrain from unnecessary snarky comments.

 

I think Bioware would do financially very stupid decision if they were to cut content away from female and LGBT+ players and only targeted straight male demographic. There is lot of companies who mainly do that so lot of competition as well. Who would say that Bioware could be able to snatch players away from Rockstar, Ubisoft or other major companies by this stunt? Promoting game for straight male demographic but also for female gamers and LGBT+ gamers is clever from them, they get largest possible audience if they do it well and also less competition in terms of female and LGBT+ players who don't have lot of games that would have content dedicated for them (though these players might still enjoy other games as well even if the content wouldn't be aimed for them).

BioWare do RPG, they do not.

[FKA_Servo]

Please, refrain from unnecessary snarky comments.

 

BioWare do RPG, they do not.

 

Bioware does RPGs with inclusive characters and themes... which they started doing in 2003, before anyone "made them."

 

All those other companies do have their "thing." This is Bioware's "thing."