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[FKA_Servo]

"forcing agendas" you must have a sore throat

 

Seeing as all this is being "forcefully rammed" down there, I can only imagine.

[Lord Surinen]

Wait, what? How can someone, who wants to be able to force a female elf to marry them and break their will through physical torture, actually use the words "forceful" and "alarming" in the same sentence with a straight face?

Easily. Do you manipulate or you can't read with understanding? In my straight female elf suggestion, there was nothing about physical abuse of bride to be.

 

You shopped in the wrong aisle. "Bigotry Simulator: 1933" is only available on Stormfront. That'll give you the perfect platform to express your distaste at the idea of non-straight characters having the temerity to exist in your physical presence, and you'll find a group of like-minded individuals who want to use women as breeding pods for their racially pure dream race.

I enjoy seeing how people post old dates to reinforce an idea that 'modern' is somehow a synonym of 'better'. No, it is not a place for me but thank you for your kind suggestion.

[Uccio]

Yeah, how dare she not completely abandoned her worldview and attitude. That's the kind of character development we need to see.

 

It usually is a two way street, meet in the half way at least. Which she didn´t do.

[Lord Surinen]

Happens in RL very often. Do you want example ?

No one asked you about your preferences, yet you keep talking about them.

Irrational. 0pt

 

It is a forum, a specific thread about romances, unbalanced options.

 

 

"forcing agendas" you must have a sore throat

Please refrain from vulgar commentaries.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Seeing as all this is being "forcefully rammed" down there, I can only imagine.

BW ain't gonna suddenly change everything for his beliefs so he'll just need to work on his gag reflex to cope in future

[FKA_Servo]

Wait, what? How can someone, who wants to be able to force a female elf to marry them and break their will through physical torture, actually use the words "forceful" and "alarming" in the same sentence with a straight face?

 

Hey, now.

 

He was physically torturing someone else in order to psychologically torture his blushing bride to be.

 

Two completely different things.

[ThreeF]

Then how exactly is -she- breaking the norm, the diversity? She was unique in her character, but I see her no more or less unique than Morrigan. I wanted someone sure of themself. It didn't happen, I had to play a softer inquisitor that's well meaning toward most and pro chantry and order. As a result, I was limited in that regard.

Ukki up there is arguing that she is too strong-headed for him and you are saying that you had to mold yourself to fit her, that's all I'm going to say on this matter.

 

As for diversity while both Morrigan and Isabella are rebels without case, Cassandra is rebel with cause. While for Morrigan men==ants and Isabells is a vixen with trust issues, Cassandra has a rather healthy, if romantic, outlook in her relationship, she likes the thrill of a romance and is an intellectual, you don't encounter that many strong women with healthy outlook on love in fiction, same way you don't encounter that many stoics without any angst in their life.

[Panda]

It usually is a two way street, meet in the half way at least. Which she didn´t do.

 

I can see how this would affect romance negatively. Personally I love to push it and make romances between characters that are like day and night I also plan my characters somewhat around the LI's so I don't often get situations where I wouldn't like dynamics between my character and LI. However I can see how this would bother someone, I had lot of problems with Alistair in DAO cause I felt like I had to please him always to make him happy- which I didn't and he hates majority of my characters. So I didn't romance him either ^^;

[TheOgre]

Ukki up there is arguing that she is too strong-headed for him and you are saying that you had to mold yourself to fit her, that's all I'm going to say on this matter.

 

As for diversity while both Morrigan and Isabella are rebels without case, Cassandra is rebel with cause. While for Morrigan men==ants and Isabells is a vixen with trust issues, Cassandra has a rather healthy, if romantic, outlook in her relationship, she likes the thrill of a romance and is an intellectual, you don't encounter that many strong women with healthy outlook on love in fiction, same way you don't encounter that many stoics without any angst in their life.

 

They have causes alright, you just didn't take the time or the effort to actually explore the tropes before you generalized them.

[ThreeF]

They have causes alright, you just didn't take the time or the effort to actually explore the tropes before you generalized them.

If you say so.

[Lord Surinen]

Hey, now.

 

He was physically torturing someone else in order to psychologically torture his blushing bride to be.

 

Two completely different things.

Thank you for pointing this out. At least you keep facts straight - almost. It is a single event, it can't count as torture. So yes, basically it is an introduced psychological 'trauma'(possibly).

 

Shame on me. Let's stay on the topic.

[In Exile]

It usually is a two way street, meet in the half way at least. Which she didn´t do.

It's not a two way street. Just like Lord Women Are Breeding Factories over there isn't going to convince me that his repugnant world view merits even the barest iota of respect.

Cassandra is devout. Her faith is everything. Abandoning that is like asking Morrigan to become Leliana or Alistair to turn into Dark Malak.

[HuldraDancer]

Wait, what? How can someone, who wants to be able to force a female elf to marry them and break their will through physical torture, actually use the words "forceful" and "alarming" in the same sentence with a straight face?

 

What? What?! Please tell me that's exaggerated or was made in jest that someone didn't actually want an LI to torture to 'break' them into a 'proper' romantic partner. If not then that's pretty alarming right there. I think I might be at a loss of words right now, no snide comment comes to my lips for something like this. I pray this wasn't an actual thing and that I'm starting to hallucinate from lack of sleep.

[Angry_Elcor]

Hey, now.

 

He was physically torturing someone else in order to psychologically torture his blushing bride to be.

 

Two completely different things.

 

Hmm... you have a point. The correct grammatical phrasing should have been, "through the physical torture of her lover," in order to avoid the misunderstanding.

[Uccio]

I can see how this would affect romance negatively. Personally I love to push it and make romances between characters that are like day and night I also plan my characters somewhat around the LI's so I don't often get situations where I wouldn't like dynamics between my character and LI. However I can see how this would bother someone, I had lot of problems with Alistair in DAO cause I felt like I had to please him always to make him happy- which I didn't and he hates majority of my characters. So I didn't romance him either ^^;

 

Yep, to be honest, I don´t think she needs to loose her "hard head" for it. People can change their perspective without completely losing their identity.

[Lord Surinen]

Hmm... you have a point. The correct grammatical phrasing should have been, "through the physical torture of her lover," in order to avoid the misunderstanding.

It is clear: http://forum.bioware...on/?p=18306837 I have told you it several times yet you keep your version for demonising manipulations purpose.

[Angry_Elcor]

Easily. Do you manipulate or you can't read with understanding? In my straight female elf suggestion, there was nothing about physical abuse of bride to be.

 

Oh, I must have completely misunderstood how cutting off her lover's finger doesn't count as "torture" or "abuse." How silly of me.

[ShadowWeaver2012]

I'm disappointed that Varric is not available, or Scout Harding. I think they should have thrown in at least one dwarf as romancible no matter what gender.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

What? What?! Please tell me that's exaggerated or was made in jest that someone didn't actually want an LI to torture to 'break' them into a 'proper' romantic partner. If not then that's pretty alarming right there. I think I might be at a loss of words right now, no snide comment comes to my lips for something like this. I pray this wasn't an actual thing and that I'm starting to hallucinate from lack of sleep.

Is not an exaggeration, is better you don't ask tbh, is disturbing

[TheOgre]

If you say so.

 

No, it's a fact. Just because there is an order she's trying to establish doesn't make it more unique than Morrigan's goals

 

Learning wild magic at nearly any cost, while shaming people for their ignorance. While Solas is kinder and more soft, they share an understanding of, "magic is only as dangerous as the one wielding it". You throw her in the rebel without a cause group because she's selfish and greedy. 

 

Isabella was trying to further her own gold, but she doesn't support cruelty against the mages. Usually if a choice is made that benefits everyone involved shes for it. 

[Uccio]

It's not a two way street. Just like Lord Women Are Breeding Factories over there isn't going to convince me that his repugnant world view merits even the barest iota of respect.

Cassandra is devout. Her faith is everything. Abandoning that is like asking Morrigan to become Leliana or Alistair to turn into Dark Malak.

 

Her way or the highway. Right. But changing ones perspective doesn´t mean one has to change personality. I´ve seen very few people who are not affected by their relationships. The ones with immovable attitudes usually end up alone, or have to find someone really alike.

[ThreeF]

I'm disappointed that Varric is not available, or Scout Harding. I think they should have thrown in at least one dwarf as romancible no matter what gender.

They should make Varric romance Harding.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If we never get the ability to marry an LI, I blame posts like Lord Surinen's. 

[In Exile]

It is clear: http://forum.bioware...on/?p=18306837 I have told you it several times yet you keep your version for demonising manipulations purpose.

What the ...

You are either the best stealth troll or an outright terrifying human. I'm really hoping for troll.

[Angry_Elcor]

It is clear: http://forum.bioware...on/?p=18306837 I have told you it several times yet you keep your version for demonising manipulations purpose.

 

Oh, I'm demonizing you. I had no idea. I can't imagine all the people to whom I have given the wrong impression of you by referring to things that you said you wanted the option to do in the game. I should have clarified from the beginning that you have successfully established that forcing someone to marry you to breed is perfectly acceptable and that breaking their will through torture is not torture.