I don't get these ME2 ratings, especially from people rating DAI as 'the worst thing ever'. It's like they're mentally blocking the "all build up, little payoff" structure, planet vacuum cleaning, the whole idiocy that was the Cerberus and ultimately, the baby Reaper.
Much like the crowd saying you can't love DA:O and DA:I, I can't say I agree with your sentiment. There's nothing wrong with someone loving ME2 and hating DA:I. It's the basic point behind how everyone has different preferences.
I'm not saying it's wrong, just that it's bizarre to see one game praised and the other criticized in this manner, since it involves ignoring the elements which the latter is criticized for are also prominently present in the former.There's nothing wrong with someone loving ME2 and hating DA:I. It's the basic point behind how everyone has different preferences.
I'm not saying it's wrong, just that it's bizarre to see one game praised and the other criticized in this manner, since it involves ignoring the elements which the latter is criticized for are also prominently present in the former.
I can understand that, to an extent. I recall DA2's release how people ripped on the death of your brother/sister being lacking in impact, even though Bioware's first game did the exact same thing.
But I'd argue there are quite a few overt differences between the two. Some related to setting, which is obvious. Gameplay is also completely different, one being similar to Gears of War while the other is more typical Action RPG. Companion characters are always YMMV. Even flow/style of the missions is different, given that DA:I leaves the player in a sandbox, which isn't really comparable to planet-scanning. Hell, if you import an ME1 save, you really can get by with very little planet-scanning and still achieve the best ending, which was my situation.
Beyond really general criticisms, I can't say there's much about DA:I that immediately reminds me of ME2 that isn't just part of Bioware's signature design. Weak/nonexistent villain maybe?
Definitely more. At the least it felt like a lot, lot moreEven if you didn't like ME2's planet scanning, you don't need to do very much of it to get your upgrades. Maybe an hour across the whole run?
I'm probably in the minority with my ranking, but here it is:
1) Mass Effect 2
2) Dragon Age 2
3) Mass Effect 3
4) Dragon Age: Inquisition
5) Dragon Age: Origins
6) Mass Effect
7) Star Wars: The Old Republic (would be higher if it wasn't a MMO)
I haven't really played Baldur's Gate 1 or 2, Neverwinter Nights, Knights of the Old Republic, or Jade Empire so I can't really rank them. This is just my opinion of my favorites.
Jade Empire is a magical game.These lists remind me that I really ought to check out some of these other games....
Jade Empire is a magical game.
The combat is poor, and some of the mechanics are annoying, but the experience is fantastic.
If you choose to play only one other BioWare game, this is the one.
I can't say I have -one- favourite game. It depends on my mood, the time I have to spare and some other factors.
So... with that being said:
1. BG2, ME2, DA:O
2. BG1, KotOR, DA2, ME, ME3
3. Jade Empire
...
6. DA:I
...
9. SW:TOR
ME3 only moved up to 2. because of the MP, otherwise it wouldn't be in the top5.
It's too bad that KotOR2 and NWN2 (MotB) don't count as BioWare games, because those are really good, too. Cut content and all.
NWN is absolutely forgettable, but I guess it's a lot of fun as far as mechanics go. The SoU expansion has one large redeeming feature (Deekin!), but it's otherwise hard to recommend. HotU was actually really great, and a bit of a departure for BioWare.I've actually been considering it. Combat doesn't bother me much so long as the story is good. I'm also considering NWN. I played just the beginning but never finished after I cleaned up Neverwinter.
NWN is absolutely forgettable, but I guess it's a lot of fun as far as mechanics go. The SoU expansion has one large redeeming feature (Deekin!), but it's otherwise hard to recommend. HotU was actually really great, and a bit of a departure for BioWare.
Combat in JE is awful, but I think you can cheat (I seem to remember there were 2DA edits you could make, and there were probably save editors), and it shouldn't be too difficult on easy anyway (it's like a low-rent fighting game without any of the stuff that makes them fun). But the setting and story are just wondrous. Easily the most unique and well-realized narrative that BioWare has managed to produce.
To this day, I've only ever played it the one time, but I still smile when I think about it.
Just from what I've played...
Dragon Age: Origins
Mass Effect 2
Dragon Age: Inquisition
Dragon Age II
Mass Effect 3
Mass Effect
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (I've been trying to finish it, but the weird combat, old graphics, and overall menu kinda kills it for me at times)
Star Wars: The Old Republic (I tried to get into it, but the mmo style wasn't really doing it for me)
Combat Entertainment:
DAI > DAO > DA2
Combat Flexibility:
DAO > DAI > DA2
Story:
DA2 > DAO > DAI (I liked how Hawke broke away from the nobody-who-saves-the-world, and instead was just the nobody who got rich and watched stuff happen )
Music:
DAI > DA2 > DAO
Characters/LI
DAI > DAO > DA2
But I've enjoyed all the games, so it's not like I could pick just one if I had to choose one game to play for the rest of the my life...variety!
NWN is absolutely forgettable, but I guess it's a lot of fun as far as mechanics go. The SoU expansion has one large redeeming feature (Deekin!), but it's otherwise hard to recommend. HotU was actually really great, and a bit of a departure for BioWare.
I actually agree with this 100% even though for me NWN1 is the top of my list. HotU was awesome, DA has never touched this level of Darkness in a story. The reason I prefer NWN over the others is because of the strickness to DnD 3.0 and later 3.5 with user mods, and that lead to countless player made modules, coop game play with buddies. I got more replay out of it than any other game I've ever owned. Honestly, the original story not so great compared to later Bioware releases. SOU and HOTU were really damn good, but there some epic level player made modules that were just outstanding.
My List
1)NWN1
2)Jade Empire
3)BG2
4)Kotor
5)DAI
6)DAO
7)BG1
I like all these games. I never got into Mass Effect. ME1 was buggy mess for me, and the story seemed like a cheesy syfy movie, and therefore never finished. So I didn't move on to the next games. Sometimes I wish I did because by most accounts it sounds like ME2 was pretty epic.
I'm not saying it's wrong, just that it's bizarre to see one game praised and the other criticized in this manner, since it involves ignoring the elements which the latter is criticized for are also prominently present in the former.
Sometimes I wish I did because by most accounts it sounds like ME2 was pretty epic.
Jade Empire is a magical game.
The combat is poor, and some of the mechanics are annoying, but the experience is fantastic.
If you choose to play only one other BioWare game, this is the one.
Go post on the JE board let em know, there is still some diehards praying for JE2. I think the time is right frostbite would be perfect for Jade Empire. And I feel the same, I was so connected when I played it.
I agree it would be cool, but I don't want to lose people from the DA team (which is where a lot of the Jade team ended up) to make it happen.Go post on the JE board let em know, there is still some diehards praying for JE2. I think the time is right frostbite would be perfect for Jade Empire. And I feel the same, I was so connected when I played it.
Mass Effect 3
Dragon Age Origin
Dragon Age Inquisition
Jade Empire
Dragon Age 2
KOTOR
Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect 1
Baldur's Gates 1
Baldur's Gate 2
Dead last: Star Wars the Old Republic. Total mess.
I haven't played through enough of BG1 and 2 or Kotor 1 and 2 to rate them, so I'll stick with the ones I have played.
1. Dragon Age Origins --- The gameplay is fanatstic, I love the tactical combat and the characters are nice too.
2. Mass Effect 1 (Very close to DAO) ---One of the best plots ever and great characters. Minus a few points for the combat though.
3. Neverwinter Nights --- A true classic in every sense, but the plot and characters are not up to the standards of the first two.
4. Mass Effect 2 ---The plot is all over the place, and the characters not as strong. It makes up for this with better combat and of course the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC.
5. Jade Empire ---Fantastic game, decent story and characters but the combat is too simplistic.
6. Star Wars: The Old Republic ---Although a lot of it is a World of Warcraft rip off it still has some pretty good plots and characters to it. Unfortunately they are all a bit shallow and leave you wondering how great the stories could have been if it was not an mmo.
7. Dragon Age 2 - The characters are not very strong, and the plot is fairly weak. But unlike the games below it does not retcon or contradict its own lore which stops it from dropping any lower on the list.
8. Mass Effect 3 - The characters are pretty weak, the plot is a mess and it retcons and contradicts its own lore on numerous occasions. Also there are way too many fetch quests and they had the nerve to try to force multiplayer into the single player campaign. It is only saved by a fairly decent combat system.
9. Dragon Age: Inquisiton ---Same problems as Mass Effect 3. The characters are weak, the plot is a mess and it retcons and contradicts is own lore on numerous occasions. Again there are a lot of fetch quests and kill x amount of creatures, or collect x amount of things quests. Unlike ME3 it is not save by a decent combat system, in fact it might be the worst part of the game.
As was stated by others, it has gotten worse since EA took over.
1) Knights of the Old Republic
2) Mass Effect
3) Mass Effect 2
4) Dragon Age: Origins
5) Dragon Age 2 (However, I hated "another wave another wave another wave" and enemies dropping from sky and ceilings.)
6) Dragon Age Inquisition
7) The Old Republic ( I abhor all those other players on the screen though. Yay for green instances!! But if you can adapt to the mosquitoes, it does have eight pretty good stories in one game.)
8) Baldur's Gate 2
9) Hordes of the Underdark
10) Neverwinter Nights
11) Baldur's Gate
12) Jade Empire
13) Shadows of Undretide
14) Mass Effect 3 (This game would actually be third if I remember to turn the computer off right after Shepard opens the arms and has a nice little talk with the dieing Anderson.)
I agree it would be cool, but I don't want to lose people from the DA team (which is where a lot of the Jade team ended up) to make it happen.
At the same time, I feel like Jade Empire gave us everything it needed. The only thing I almost wish they would have given us is an expansion to visit Phoenix Gate. Other than, it's perfect as is. 
1. Baldur's Gate 2 (but not Throne of Bhaal.)
2. Dragon Age: Origins
2. Dragon Age 2
2. Dragon Age: Inquisition.
(I can't help it, the whole series so far is equal second for me. I ended up loving DAO and DA2 equally for different reasons, and I'm afraid it's happening again.)
5. Baldur's Gate 1
6. Mass Effect 2
7. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
8. Jade Empire
9. Star Wars: The Old Republic
10. Mass Effect 3
11. Mass Effect 1
12. Baldur's Gate: Throne of Bhaal. Disappointing end to what is otherwise my favourite game. Watcher's Keep is still great, though.
13. Neverwinter Nights. Partially redeemed by Shadows of Undrentide and Hordes of the Underdark, but still their weakest game by far for me.
*Bondari reloads*1. Baldur's Gate 2 (but not Throne of Bhaal.)
top 5:
BG2
NWN [
Aribeth. Aribeth so much]
DAO
ME1
KOTOR
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