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[Jackums]

Now that the Wiki has been sufficiently updated, I figured it was time for one of these.
 
What's your ideal combination of epilogue outcomes, even if you didn't achieve it in-game?
 
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This is just one variation I like.

 

Orlais: Celene (Alone)
Wardens: Help Inquisition
Divine: Leliana (Hardened)
Mages: Alliance
Inquisition: Forces

Spoiler

Consider the mighty Empire of Orlais, where Empress Celene remains on her golden throne.
The civil war is ended and order finally restored. The empress is unchallenged... but at what price?
Blood drips from Celene's hands, and all her court know it. However, none are in a position to move against her.
Fortunately for Celene, her gratitude towards the Inquisition has remained strong.
Some claim she clings too tightly to the alliance - others know it is all that stands between her and defeat.
Her subjects approve of the alliance even if some claim it is the only reason she yet clings to power.

The Grey Wardens of the south slowly rebuild in the months following the events at Adamant.
They declare it time for the Order to emerge from the shadows, to join the rest of humanity in fighting their ancient foes.
Rumors abound that they severed ties with their leaders at Weisshaupt, and that a bitter war now rages between them.
What becomes of Loghain is unknown – save that all news out of Weisshaupt soon ends.
Does the sudden silence indicate a battle within... or something far worse?

One month after the defeat of Corypheus, the Chantry names Leliana as successor to the Sunburst Throne.
Given the name Divine Victoria, she first declares an end to the Circle of Magi; the mages will now govern themselves.
She opens the priesthood to other races, declares support for the Inquisition, and rededicates the Chantry to the principle of charity.
Divine Victoria is controversial from the start, several new sects arise, resisting her reforms and declaring her rule a threat to the faith.
Her response is as swift as it is deadly, unity is maintained, but blood runs through the halls of the Grand Cathedral.

The Inquisition's mages – the former rebels led by Grand Enchanter Fiona – are left with a choice.
When Leliana disbands the Circles, they leave the Inquisition and reform the College of Enchanters as a new order.
The College, they say will allow mages of the South to gather in peace and seek new solutions to age-old problems.
For the moment, it appears to be working – mages are enjoying unprecedented acceptance throughout Thedas.

And what of the Inquisition itself?
Its military might has grown, now rivaling that of kingdoms. Fear of the Inquisition's army has become the true source of its power.

[Nefla]

The game didn't give me enough reason to care about any of those things.

[o Ventus]

Now that the Wiki has been sufficiently updated, I figured it was time for one of these.
 
What's your ideal combination of epilogue outcomes, even if you didn't achieve it in-game?
 
_______________________

 

This is just one variation I like.

 

Orlais: Celene (Alone)
Wardens: Help Inquisition
Divine: Leliana (Hardened)
Mages: Alliance
Inquisition: Forces

This was mostly my epilogue, though I think the slide for the Inquisition was different. I don't remember what it said though, so I can't be sure.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I've gotten several combinations that made no sense to me.

 

Allied: Mages

Orlais: Celene Alone

Supported Vivienne

Devine: Cassandra, Lelianna

 

Conscripted: Mages

Orlais Celene alone

Supported Cassandra

Divine: Cassandra, Lelianna

 

Allied: Templars

Orlais Celene Alone

Supported Vivienne

Divine: Cassandra, Lelianna

 

Conscripted Templars

Orlais Celene Alone

Supported no one

Divine Cassandra, Lelianna

 

Vivienne won't be divine for anything in my games. Do you have to reconcile Briala or, choose Gaspard (which to me says failure since the whole premise is Orlais falls if Celene is assassinated.)

[Precursor Meta]

I couldn't pull myself to let celene get killed. I can't believe Cullen, Cassandra, and leiliana are ok with that. Well I expect leiliana but not Cassandra.

[Jackums]

If I can headcanon it plausibly, I'd probably go with Unhardened Leliana. Have her act as the diplomat, and if negotiations fail, the Inquisition focused on Forces can act as the military branch when needed.

[panamakira]

I tended to be pro-Celene but then I learned other things about her I disliked. Also the fact that she's been in power all this time and let things get this bad, doesn't give me much reason to let her stay as Empress. I'm working on another playthrough and give Gaspard/Briala a chance. 

 

Don't care who's in power though. They're all puppets of the Inquisition. Hopefully.

[DarkDragon777]

Orlais: Gaspard and Briala
Wardens: Help Inquisition
Divine: Leliana 
Mages: Alliance
Inquisition: Forces

[Dabrikishaw]

Orlais: Gaspard became emperor. Peace talks had between Orlais and Ferelden.

The Grey Wardens: Help the Inquisition. Warden ally is alive.

The Chantry and the Divine: Leliana appointed Divine. Leliana "hardened".

Mages: Alliance

[Al Foley]

If I may comment on something am I the only one who thinks that the mages should only enjoy unprecedented acceptance if the Inquisitor was a mage only?

[Boost32]

Orlais: Celene with a a truce between her, Gaspard and Briala.
Wardens: Helped the Inquisition. Hawke is alive, Loghain left in the Fade.
Divine: Vivienne with high approval.
Templars: Conscripted.
Inquisition: Forces.

Spoiler

Consider the mighty Empire of Orlais, where Empress Celene remains on her golden throne.
The civil war is ended, but a new war rages in the shadows. Gaspard it seems, has learned his lesson well.
Even the elves have no rest, with Briala's uprising rocking the empire to its core.
Fortunately for Celene, her gratitude towards the Inquisition has remained strong.
Some claim she clings too tightly to the alliance - others know it is all that stands between her and defeat.

The Grey Wardens of the south slowly rebuild in the months following the events at Adamant.
They declare it time for the Order to emerge from the shadows, to join the rest of humanity in fighting their ancient foes.
Rumors abound that they severed ties with their leaders at Weisshaupt, and that a bitter war now rages between them.
What becomes of Hawke is unknown – save that all news out of Weisshaupt soon ends.
Does the sudden silence indicate a battle within... or something far worse?

One month after the defeat of Corypheus, the Chantry shocks the world by naming Vivienne as successor to the Sunburst Throne.
Given the name Divine Victoria, she is the first mage to hold the position - and the uproar is immediate.
Three revolts follow in quick succession, and her response is immediate and vicious. For months, chaos reigns.
Some say it is only her warm relationship with the Inquisition that ensures her victory.
To the surprise of many, she reinstates the Circle of Magi and creates a Templar Order firmly leashed to her hand.
Mages rise quickly in the new Circle, having more freedom and responsibility then ever before - even if all true power lies with her.
For now, the Chantry remains united. Though difficult for many to accept, a mage sits on the Sunburst Throne and will remain there.

Those Templars of the Inquisition who were recruited at Therinfal Redoubt are left with a choice.
Some return to the Templar Order under the new Divine, but the rest elect to shed their allegiance forever.
Under the watchful eye of Commander Cullen, these men and women form the core of the Inquisition's strength for years to come.

And what of the Inquisition itself?
Its military might has grown, now rivaling that of kingdoms. Fear of the Inquisition's army has become the true source of its power.

[Jackums]

If I may comment on something am I the only one who thinks that the mages should only enjoy unprecedented acceptance if the Inquisitor was a mage only?

The acceptance (evidently) does not come from the Inquisitor's achievements, but more likely the fact that for the first time in centuries, the southern nations are seeing that free mages doesn't automatically equate to, "Doom! Magical apocalypse and abominations running rampant!" like the Chantry's fear-mongering enforced.

[phaonica]

The acceptance (evidently) does not come from the Inquisitor's achievements, but more likely the fact that for the first time in centuries, the southern nations are seeing that free mages doesn't automatically equate to, "Doom! Magical apocalypse and abominations running rampant!" like the Chantry's fear-mongering enforced.

 

Isn't "Doom! Magical apocalypse and demons running rampant" exactly what happens in DAI, though, what with Corypheus and the Breach? And the Chantry's Herald of Andraste is who saves the day? I'd be more surprised if the common folk didn't somehow blame all of that on the mage-templar war and magic specifically.

[movieguyabw]

Huh... just looking at the Celene list, I think I need to play through the ending again for my main save.  I know I got something completely different from the others listed.  Basically Celene (like Leliana) rules by fear and blood.  Executed Gaspard, put Celene on the throne, didn't tell her Briala helped.  I honestly forget what happened with Briala - though I'm positive she wasn't exiled (I would've loaded an earlier save if that happened), and I don't think she was made an ambassador (when I first saw a video of someone doing that, I originally thought that was the "reunite Celene and Briala" ending that I originally wanted to get)...  0o

 

I'm really curious now - what did I actually do for that mission?  o0

 

Edit:  woops didn't read the last one apparently... yikes.  I guess I accidentally got Briala killed.  0o

 

Anyway - ideal version of my canon playthrough

 

Celene/Briala reunited

Wardens exiled/Hawke saved

Divine: Cassandra/rebuilt seekers/high approval

Mage alliance

Inquisition - either Connections or Forces  (I got connections originally, but haven't decided yet if I want to change it in the Keep)

[Jackums]

Isn't "Doom! Magical apocalypse and demons running rampant" exactly what happens in DAI, though, what with Corypheus and the Breach?

And none of that had anything to do with the Mage-Templar War.

[phaonica]

The game didn't give me enough reason to care about any of those things.

 

Same here. Although, looking back, it wasn't really any better or worse than DAO's or DA2's epilogues, IMO.

[Al Foley]

The acceptance (evidently) does not come from the Inquisitor's achievements, but more likely the fact that for the first time in centuries, the southern nations are seeing that free mages doesn't automatically equate to, "Doom! Magical apocalypse and abominations running rampant!" like the Chantry's fear-mongering enforced.

Perhaps but you have rebel mages doing a lot of very stupid and evil things n Redclffe.  Tevinter mages forming a Cult known as the Venatori on the lands to raise up a Tevinter Mage as a god, and then you have Apostates running amuck.  Granted there are a lot of examples of good mages in the game too that acted responsibly but I just think that the amount of damage mages did in Inquisition has no real counterbalance unless the Inquisitor was a mage.  Because then a mage literally saved the freaking world and was outside the circle to do it and did not succomb.  

[phaonica]

And none of that had anything to do with the Mage-Templar War.

 

Doesn't matter. It all happened together, it was all connected. The Inquisitor can deny being the Herald of Andraste every single time, and the people will believe what they want. I wouldn't be surprised if they lumped both conflicts together.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

[Choice:Personal Favorite/What I Did]

Templars & Mages: Ally with Templars/Conscript the Mages.

Allying with and rebuilding the Templars, particularly as a mage, is my favorite route to go about with this and what I did on my "What would HYR do?" first run. It was a feel-good story for me since I believed in the Templars and felt largely vindicated for doing so. However, when I roll with my canon Qunari, it felt more in-character to go about with it like "lemme do the Templars' job for them" and go acquire and leash the bas sarebaas. Do not like allying with the mages or disbanding the Templars.

Wardens: Exiled and Leaderless/Exiled Leaderless.

One of the few constants between my ideal and my canon. The Wardens are more trouble than they're worth and so I support kicking them out of Thedas and going the way of their mascot. Qunari was going to conscript them, then decided they were truly not worth it.

Orlais: CeleneXBriala/Gaspard(Briala).

I liked Gaspard well enough but did not like the idea of him as emperor. I supported Celene's policies more. Also, I want elves to have more say in things. So I liked reconciling those two. That said, my Qunari got fed up with "The Game" real quick (though he handled it surprisingly well) and never wanted to do that ish again, so he figured he'd let Celene die. Then he helped Briala because his Inquistion was a bit too forces-oriented and the spies were a worthwhile addition. Also, he wanted to help the elves as well since the Qun teaches equality (and he happens to agree with that bit).

Well of Sorrows: Morrigan/Inquisitor.

Though this decision was not alluded to in the epilogue, I think the post-credits twist with Flemeth and Solas potentially gives this decision big repercussions. I am expecting Fen'Harel to drop some real bombshells on the world of Thedas. In that, having control of a lone shapeshifter is not as fearsome as having control of the Inquisitor, the man who leads this powerful Inquisition thing and can open and close rifts into the Fade. However, I decided it was far more interesting to have the latter in my canon world-state, and I felt Morrigan deserved better than to be bound to whomsoever would be controlling her through the well.

Divine: Vivienne/Vivienne.

I am pro-Circle but also believe mages should have greater say in society, and my canon character shared this view, so I am a big fan of raising Vivienne to the Sunburst Throne in my canon world-state. To me, it is a more meaningful reform for the mage issue than any that Cass or Leliana bring about.

Inquisition: Secrets/Forces.

I am a more "intel"-oriented guy. When I played as "me," I preferred Leliana's approach to war-table missions most of the time. Also, I found the perks in Secrets more attractive than the other two (though the Inquisition's own had the best). However, my Qunari is pretty Qunari and instead preferred to respond to war-table stuff with a nice show of force. So I made his Inquisition forces-based.

[Jackums]

Doesn't matter. It all happened together, it was all connected. The Inquisitor can deny being the Herald of Andraste every single time, and the people will believe what they want. I wouldn't be surprised if they lumped both conflicts together.

Evidently it does matter because they didn't lump both conflicts together, otherwise mages wouldn't receive "unprecedented acceptance." They do.

[The Mistress]

For my Dalish mage elfy (since I really don't like making up 'ideal' or perfect scenarios, and just prefer to 'go with the flow') -

Orlais: Inexperienced and unskilled in the court pleasantries (as well as severely disliking 'The Game' of Orlais), she didn't fare well at the ball. When it came down to decisions, though, in a temporary, more militaristic state of mind, Celene was allowed to die so Gaspard could take the throne (and was further ushered into the decision with Cullen and Leliana's suggestion). It's a decision she regrets completely after she allows it.
Wardens: Banished from southern Thedas. As much as I need forces for my own army, if they could be manipulated by Corypheus then they're too dangerous to keep nearby. Let them handle their own crap in the north.
Divine: Cassandra. Reforms were a must, since my elf didn't think humans were capable enough to take Leliana's amount of change without more war, but knew the system was flawed enough that Vivienne could not possibly expect to reinstate circles without incidents (in addition to the known disdain for mages in the Chantry, she was a definite no for the sympathetic elf).
Mages: Being a mage herself (and a Dalish one at that), she sympathized and allied with them.
Inquisition: Her forces rival that of nations, and her might forces others to take the Inquisition seriously.

I feel like making a few 'mistake choices' as an Inquisitor is wonderful, and shows that even the "Herald of Andraste" is not always perfect either. Just my opinion, though... and how I wanted to play my Lavellan.

[LobselVith8]

What's your ideal combination of epilogue outcomes, even if you didn't achieve it in-game?

 

Mages: Alliance.

Orlais: Briala.

Wardens: Allies.

Divine: Leliana.

Inquisition: Espionage.

[DracoAngel]

Templar Alliance - those that remained with the Inquisition after Corypheus' death chose to follow in the steps of Commander Cullen and break their Lyrium leash

Celene and Briala rule together

Warden Alliance

Alistair alive, Hawke left in the Fade

unhardened Leliana as Divine

Inquisition: Forces

[Nefla]

Same here. Although, looking back, it wasn't really any better or worse than DAO's or DA2's epilogues, IMO.

The difference for me was that it mentioned some of your companions and other characters you care about or who's futures you were interested in. Do I care about what happens to "townswoman" after I find her some blood lotus? Nope. But I cared about what happened to people like Bella, Brother Burkel, Teagan, Soris and Shianni, Lanaya, etc...The main plot characters weren't much better. Celine, Briala, Gaspard, Fiona, etc...must have gotten a lot of character development in the books/comics/whatever and the devs must have assumed we all read those because they had zero depth or development in the actual game.

[ElementalFury106]

This isn't the epilogue of my canon world state because idealism isn't everything to me, but in my opinion the most optimal and ideal world state is;

 

Orlais: Gaspard rules unopposed.

Wardens: Alliance.

Divine: Cassandra (high approval, Seekers reformed)

Templars: Alliance. (those who remained joined Cullen in refusing lyrium, breaking their leash to the Chantry)

Inquisition: Forces.

 

Spoiler

’Tis said that Corypheus woke after his long slumber and found the world gone awry.

He fought to bring back those days of magic and shadow, to raise himself as a god, and set things right.

Now we are left with a scar in the sky to remind us of what almost was.

It tells us that a great victory against chaos was won, but left the world forever changed.

 

Consider the mighty Empire of Orlais, where Gaspard has ascended to the golden throne.

He rules unopposed. Each noble house that rises up against him soon realizes it has made its last mistake. He settles disputes with Ferelden, freeing the Orlesian armies to fortify the northern Tevinter borders. His victories are many. Strength and stability are restored to Orlais... for now

 

The Grey Wardens of the south slowly rebuild in the months following the events at Adamant.

They declare it time for the Order to emerge from the shadows, to join the rest of humanity in fighting their ancient foes.

Rumors abound that they severed ties with their leaders at Weisshaupt, and that a bitter war now rages between them.

What becomes of Hawke is unknown – save that all news out of Weisshaupt soon ends.

Does the sudden silence indicate a battle within... or something far worse?

 

One month after the defeat of Corypheus, the Chantry names Cassandra as successor to the Sunburst Throne.

Given the name Divine Victoria, she immediately enacts reform: a new Templar Order, and a new Circle of Magi. The Seekers of Truth are rededicated to their purpose of protecting the innocent. A proclamation of support for the Inquisition is issued, recognizing its service to all of Thedas. Despite her popularity, the new Divine's reforms are seen by some as going too far. A new sect arises, demanding a return to the status quo on threat of war. With the Inquisitor's assistance, negotiations end peacefully, and few concessions are made. Strength and unity within the Chantry are restored in the months following. A golden age - if it can last.

 

Those Templars of the Inquisition who were recruited at Therinfal Redoubt are left with a choice. Many follow in the footsteps of Commander Cullen, going through the slow and agonizing process of lyrium withdrawal. This frees many to join the Seekers of Truth under The Divine – a renewed Order dedicated to justice for all.

 

And what of the Inquisition itself? Its military might has grown, now rivaling that of kingdoms. Fear of the Inquisition's army has become the true source of its power

 

I leave Skyhold now, knowing that power will continue to grow.

The Inquisitor is a symbol to many, a leader of the changing world order.

To others, (s)he has become a target.

They linger in the shadows, waiting for their day to come.

When it does, the Inquisition shall stand ready.