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I kinda think that this series as a whole is played out anyways. Churn out some MP and SP content so people don't feel burned and move on to Mass Effect and a new IP without baggage (preferably an action game since that's what they seem to want to make).
As if Mass Effect isn't just as played out lol.
This thread is an instant BSN classic.
In a year everyone will realize how ridiculously maudlin and melodramatic everyone involved is behaving. And that's all I have to say about it.
My prediction is that in a year there wont be any people around to enjoy it.
I think the reason why a lot of people are so angry and hostile are many:
1) They really like the game, have invested lots of time in it, and see the potential.
2) First DLC made the game feel like a beta test, with several bugs attached to it that was at times gamebreaking.
3) None or very little response from Bioware on the issues, even though some of the bugs should have been fixed right away, if it was any other game.
4) The update comes out, listing fixes. Fixes dont work as stated, only about 60% and balance changes has happened that the majority of the community finds unnescessary and misplaced. Also even more bugs are added to the game.
5) No response or post from Bioware regarding the update, only a defencive position taken, not really commenting on the issue but the community feedback.
6) People really like the game, have invested lots of time in it and see its potential, but are unhappy with the changes, the responses and the show of ambition regarding the mode, from Bioware.
Actually, if I was in charge of the department with responsibility for MP I would realise that our player base is what actually makes the game. That doesnt mean that you should answer to any whim of the players or make every change they request, and even make unpopular changes that you feel is required. But I would atleast keep the community posted with constant updates, and teasers to what is happening in the future, just to keep those people who play our game in the loop. This is not happening at all as far as I can see. All I see is them going into defensive mode when the community starts complaining. I would also feel absolutely embarassed about the DLC release. The game had obivous bugs that should have been discovered immediatly byt the Q&A team (which makes the claim that they are the best in the business quite ridiculous), and the launch of the DLC should atleast be held back until I knew that the possibility of fixing eventual problems the community discovered could be fixed, and not release it right before everyone goes on a xmas holiday. That is just bad tactics. Not only that but I would realise that the moment most people will be playing will be during the holidays. If the game then goes from playable to buggy in this timeperiod, it is actually a disaster in my eyes. If I was charge of the MP-mode....
I do like the game, and I will continue playing it, but Im not sure I'd be able to keep grinding the lacking content and the annoying bugs for a few more months before I see any changes. I also do think that they might miss their moment to make this game-mode a hit. This game is mostly regarded as a SP-game by most of the gaming community. Also, most people who recieved the game late over xmas are finishing SP now and trying out MP, finding not only a buggy, hardly playable gamemode (unless you know how to deal with the bugs as experienced players do), but also a community enraged with the developer. I am also watching twitch regularly and checking if anyone is watching any MP streams there, but as far as I can see hardly anyone is streaming MP and very few even SP. You have to go so far down the list you are passing games I wouldnt even dream of that people were streaming to this day, let alone watch. Lastly people dont really take breaks from games. In my experience they rarely ever come back, but move on to new and more interesting stuff. So if people take breaks from your game, I'd be worried.
I hope this gets solved, and that I'm wrong in my predictions - but as ME3MP was, as far as I have been told on these forums, a sleeper hit - I cant really see DAMP becoming that, atleast not yet. I do believe their moment has passed unfortunatly. And at that moment it wasnt good enough.
Fitting!
I'd rather go with this. Much better:
Guest_DOJA_*
It seems that someone from Bioware (not current CM) should step up and calm the situation little bit.
It seems that someone from Bioware (not current CM) should step up and calm the situation little bit.
Guest_DOJA_*
... Honestly, this video is solid evidence that these forums don't really want dev interaction or communication. When I joined the forum it was because I saw cries for these very things, and I thought I would help. What I quickly realized, however, is that whenever someone sticks their neck out in the forum there are a thousand swords to fall on it regardless of the content of the post. There is this very confusing cognitive dissonance where it seems this community wants interaction and communication, but pushes back fiercely when they actually receive it. A number of users on the BSN turn this space into a hostile, inhospitable environment, and asking why the developers don't interact is strange - the answer is well known. I will say - There are a number of wonderful, helpful community members in these forums whom I really appreciate. Its unfortunate that the people who are behaving poorly get so much attention. ...
Also do you know that when people see the words below your picture ( BioWare Employees 
) they assume you're talking for the whole company. Posting in this forum as a BioWare Employee is both a privilege and a responsibility, so please remember this the next time you make a post calling a customer a villain.
Guest_Cyan Griffonclaw_*
Now, the others said almost everything I planned to write. But I am going to say something anyways:
Interacting with people= A chance of having to talk to jerks. Yes, it sucks but it is part of the job. Don't take it personal.
Also, I really doubt that the BSN is so toxic.
I mean okay, it was in a pretty ..."special" situation back during the "ME3 ending sucks" time. But right now? I don't think it's toxic. (Well, just as "toxic" as any other normal forum aswell)
It's toxic. No, I am guilty of criticizing Bioware and pointing fingers at the current Bioware team. I just feel this was a time to say, "Bioware, you screwed me over for the third time in a row at preordering. I made a few negative remarks about Awakenings. I made a few negative remarks about SWTOR and I am no longer a subcriber with my collector's edition. I made a few negative remarks about DA2 heading towards consoles. I am totally frustrated now with Patch 3. All the fixes that worked after patch 2 are making the gameplay as bad as launch. Also, talking on social media besides official forums makes me think we're not at all a priority. I'm old. I don't Facebook, Twitter, Reddit or any of that. I'm also not used to Bioware being so passive on the forums.
The Maker has surely turned his gaze away from us... and when the gaze is on us... the Maker is angry.
Some very sneaky editing to make my posts fit your viewpoint! As always, context is key, and there's a lot of context missing around the things you've posted ( I recommend following @AndrastesTits on Twitter, by the way, she's hilarious ).
Honestly, this video is solid evidence that these forums don't really want dev interaction or communication. When I joined the forum it was because I saw cries for these very things, and I thought I would help. What I quickly realized, however, is that whenever someone sticks their neck out in the forum there are a thousand swords to fall on it regardless of the content of the post. There is this very confusing cognitive dissonance where it seems this community wants interaction and communication, but pushes back fiercely when they actually receive it. A number of users on the BSN turn this space into a hostile, inhospitable environment, and asking why the developers don't interact is strange - the answer is well known. I will say - There are a number of wonderful, helpful community members in these forums whom I really appreciate. Its unfortunate that the people who are behaving poorly get so much attention.
I'm honestly disappointed things went this way, with you especially Penguin. You so quickly turned from a hero into a villain. I'm sorry that you didn't get what you wanted from me. I'm happy that you're taking what seems like a much needed break. Its going to be a good year for MP, there's a lot of awesome stuff coming down the pipe, and if you decide to check in in a few months I know you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Be Excellent to Eachother
Thanks,
Amelia
lol
Just fix your game you took, not you personally though who knows .., my money for. Then you will be able to come here and be in peace. I do not quite understand what you find curious about this. The company you work for shipped MP fail so customers are not happy. This is not 60's in California where only love prevails. Wake up and get your **** together.
I could write essay but it would probably be of no use. Just like in SWTOR PvP for example. Epic fail without recognition from devs and without willingness and probably also resources to do anything about it.
I'd rather play Baldur's Gate again. See you.
Guest_Cyan Griffonclaw_*
AmeliaBy the above sentence, I can only assume that you are not ready to be in a forum or in a social media of any kind. There will always be toxic people on the internet and if you can't handle it, it is better for you to leave.
Also do you know that when people see the words below your picture ( BioWare Employees
ABSOLUTELY. (ran out of likes)
It's toxic. No, I am guilty of criticizing Bioware and pointing fingers at the current Bioware team. I just feel this was a time to say, "Bioware, you screwed me over for the third time in a row at preordering. I made a few negative remarks about Awakenings. I made a few negative remarks about SWTOR and I am no longer a a subcriber with my collector's edition. I made a few negative remarks about DA2 heading towards consoles. I am totally frustrated now with Patch 3. All the fixes that worked after patch 2 are making the gameplay as bad as launch. Also, talking on social media besides official forums makes me think we're not at all a priority. I'm old. I don't Facebook, Twitter, Reddit or any of that. I'm also not used to Bioware being so passive on the forums.
The Maker has surely turned his gaze away from us... and when the gaze is on us... the Maker is angry.
Sorry for off topic,but I am using that avatar for my neutral good warrior 
It's toxic. No, I am guilty of criticizing Bioware and pointing fingers at the current Bioware team. I just feel this was a time to say, "Bioware, you screwed me over for the third time in a row at preordering. I made a few negative remarks about Awakenings. I made a few negative remarks about SWTOR and I am no longer a a subcriber with my collector's edition. I made a few negative remarks about DA2 heading towards consoles. I am totally frustrated now with Patch 3. All the fixes that worked after patch 2 are making the gameplay as bad as launch. Also, talking on social media besides official forums makes me think we're not at all a priority. I'm old. I don't Facebook, Twitter, Reddit or any of that. I'm also not used to Bioware being so passive on the forums.
The Maker has surely turned his gaze away from us... and when the gaze is on us... the Maker is angry.
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Some very sneaky editing to make my posts fit your viewpoint! As always, context is key, and there's a lot of context missing around the things you've posted ( I recommend following @AndrastesTits on Twitter, by the way, she's hilarious ).
Honestly, this video is solid evidence that these forums don't really want dev interaction or communication. When I joined the forum it was because I saw cries for these very things, and I thought I would help. What I quickly realized, however, is that whenever someone sticks their neck out in the forum there are a thousand swords to fall on it regardless of the content of the post. There is this very confusing cognitive dissonance where it seems this community wants interaction and communication, but pushes back fiercely when they actually receive it. A number of users on the BSN turn this space into a hostile, inhospitable environment, and asking why the developers don't interact is strange - the answer is well known. I will say - There are a number of wonderful, helpful community members in these forums whom I really appreciate. Its unfortunate that the people who are behaving poorly get so much attention.
I'm honestly disappointed things went this way, with you especially Penguin. You so quickly turned from a hero into a villain. I'm sorry that you didn't get what you wanted from me. I'm happy that you're taking what seems like a much needed break. Its going to be a good year for MP, there's a lot of awesome stuff coming down the pipe, and if you decide to check in in a few months I know you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Be Excellent to Eachother
Thanks,
Amelia
Amelia,
My comment will be completely out of the subject of discussion. I think you really need to work on your communication skills. I know you are being honest but things can go either way when you post something like that. I know you may not care for a feedback like mine -and you certainly have your reasons for it- but believe me, BW community is a lot better than what I see on other forums every day.
Guest_Cyan Griffonclaw_*
Sorry for off topic,but I am using that avatar for my neutral good warrior
Baldur's Gate. Original gangster, yo. I am playing it again, slowly, but surely. I am revisiting Bioware's library including Fallout. You know... they talk about the engines getting more complex, but that's the industry. More complex, more challenges. You're either up to the task or you're not. Maker help us all.
Amelia,
My comment will be completely out of the subject of discussion. I think you really need to work on your communication skills. I know you are being honest but things can go either way when you post something like that. I know you may not care for a feedback like mine -and you certainly have your reasons for it- but believe me, BW community is a lot better than what I see on other forums every day.
Signed and confirmed
No. Simply wrong. The sign on the door says "Multiplayer". This is a thread adressing the MP communities issues with the MP-mode and the people working on the MP-mode. It has nothing at all to do with SP problems. Whatever problems you have in SP are irrelevant to this forum. I didnt even want to know the stuff you wrote, as I havent even started SP, but when I realised you were in the wrong place it was already to late. Thanks for the spoiler warning, mister. Try to consider this next time: Not everyone here has played the SP mode! Including the OP if you had ever watched his video.
Now, I say again: delete your post and go post your grievances on a different forum. That includes grievances regarding the devs or moderators not giving a ****. Thank you!
MP problems like reaver effects SP because SP gets nerfed with MP changes.
Not saying your completely wrong but sir, please calm down.
Stop disrespecting your customer base!
I do not post a lot. But I will here.
It seems EA and Bioware have apparently taken a page from Ubishaft's forum playbook.
'Customers exist to get ignored and then shafted and insulted. If they leave, we have more, so **** 'em.'
@BWEAmelia... I have never in my LIFE read such a rude response from ANY dev, ANYWHERE. Even the one on the Ubisoft Ghost Recon forums from a dev who shall remain nameless egging a poster on to SUICIDE was not as rude as what you posted. (Got me permabanned from their forums when I asked him why he did that btw. Worth it. The post was deleted and I will never pay money for any of their games again.) Well done ma'am. I did not think it was possible to surpass that, but you managed.
Not ALL of us offer negative feedback JUST for the hell of it by the way. There are significant problems that you (Bioware/EA) are apparently either ignoring or discounting. Calling people villains because they do not act as you wish is rude. SOME of us want the game to succeed, to be what it MIGHT be. Not the buggy half finished pile of fewmets it currently seems to be.
Frankly? I mean no insult. it is possible you did not intend it as it was read by me and by others. If so, you have a problem. If not? You managed to show the forums exactly how you feel about us.
In that case? I am ALSO going to quote Bill and Ted:
'BOGUS'
MP problems like reaver effects SP because SP gets nerfed with MP changes.
Not saying your completely wrong but sir, please calm down.
In ME3 changes in MP did not affect SP,at least for weapons.I do not understand,why would "OPness" in SP bother anyone.
MP problems like reaver effects SP because SP gets nerfed with MP changes.
Not saying your completely wrong but sir, please calm down.
I'm cool as a cucumber. It's kind of weird that you are telling me to calm down in this thread, considering what other people have been writing here. You must not have read much of it.
Anyway, I have a very valid point actually. There should not be any posts talking about SP here, because they might spoil it for those here that have not played SP, like me. Any information I hear about SP can potentially ruin it for me. Which kinda of annoyed me a little bit. For what I know, the reaver fix was actually intended mainly on SP, and then effected MP quite a lot. Besides, this is not the focus of this thread and it is quite OT. That particular bug was not even an important part of the list the person who had grievances from the SP-mode.
I cant help how you percieve my points but it's just the way I write. My mindset might be the total opposite for what you or anyone would know.
Now go read my post on the actual subject matter instead. You might find that more interesting.
And Joe, stop stalking me.
Ah, your post came off far more hostile than you meant it, to me. But there is a degree to which SP and MP are linked, and it's been established unfortunately with the reaver changes. I don't condone spoilers, and I too would encourage people not to come to the MP section to talk about plot or quest bugs. I will however encourage SP people to talk about how MP changes affect their SP considering this thread is really active right now and has potential for future BW representatives to come in and see that it's not just the MP community taking notice of unnecessary nerfs (Reaver's dragon rage / rampage nerf). Guys, remember, no spoilers.
As for the above poster to the comment I am addressing in the former, someone posted a video after patch 3 went live showing how dragon rage is now healing over time, and very barely (like a life regeneration potion). ME3 skills, MP and SP were probably separated because they put more effort into the development of both aspects of the game. It seems like whatever changes come to MP will also impact SP mechanics talent wise. It is, strange...
edit: oh, and yes, they nerfed a major part of SP too, which for the feedback suggestion is currently the 'hot thread', it involves exploiting. It was 'odd' for them to focus on removing that specific exploit when not addressing pressing matters such as key drops (which are again, related to SP, you kill a mob, it doesn't register as killed). I'd ask for more communication from Bioware in regards to what they are focusing on patching, and how they plan to focus on it, instead of attacking people who aren't really, flaming, BW such as penguin, moreso documenting and presenting the issues that were being ignored by the dev team.
Yes, "stalking"....
Obviously a misclick. It actually was. I knew it would have reprecussions.
Obviously a misclick. It actually was. I knew it would have reprecussions.
Sure buddy....
I will however encourage SP people to talk about how MP changes affect their SP considering this thread is really active right now and has potential for future BW representatives to come in and see that it's not just the MP community taking notice of unnecessary nerfs (Reaver's dragon rage / rampage nerf). Guys, remember, no spoilers.
Fine, if SP people want to come here and talk about MP, then thats great. His post didnt contain anything that had anything to do with MP as far as I'm concerned, and at the same time spoiled some information about the SP mode.
Just because a thread is hot doesnt make that ok. It's something people should know.
Yes, no spoilers please.
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