I never had a problem with it, of course the only sexual related banter I've heard between them is...I don't remember all of it but it was something like...
Dorian: Would you prefer me leashed and bound?
IB: I'd buy you dinner first..
And I took that as them mostly joking around, but still I don't see the problem, its a game, these people aren't even real, why is it even an issue? O.o
Is there anyone else who really dislikes the Iron Bull/Dorian 'romance'?
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#52
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 02:44
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I don't really care much at all. I think it's a nice touch but not much more,
And it's never happened to be actually, in 5 playthroughs I have never triggered enough banter between the two for the romance to fire before I get to the end game.
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 02:53
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This thread shows what books like Twlight and fitty shades of grey have done to distort people's views on what a healthy relationship is to them.
In fact, I would clasfiy it as an emotional abusesive relationship, since it's starts when Dorian is drunk and not able to consent which is clasfiyed as rape in America. The most noteable case like this that happened here was in Stebuenvill, Ohio.
However, I also think it's stupid to suggest that someone is wrong in feeling uncomfortable with the two in a realationship I too felt like I needed to point out that a person does not have to be a wall flower to be in an abusevise realationship.
I have a good narrative essay to show what I mean about the relationship http://m.psychologyt...nce-in-twilight it is using the Bella Edward paring though the samething could be said about the Dorian and Bull realationship.
All though he doesn't isolate Dorian ect but he can still be consider abusive if three or more things are noticed,
In fact, I would clasfiy it as an emotional abusesive relationship, since it's starts when Dorian is drunk and not able to consent which is clasfiyed as rape in America. The most noteable case like this that happened here was in Stebuenvill, Ohio.
However, I also think it's stupid to suggest that someone is wrong in feeling uncomfortable with the two in a realationship I too felt like I needed to point out that a person does not have to be a wall flower to be in an abusevise realationship.
I have a good narrative essay to show what I mean about the relationship http://m.psychologyt...nce-in-twilight it is using the Bella Edward paring though the samething could be said about the Dorian and Bull realationship.
All though he doesn't isolate Dorian ect but he can still be consider abusive if three or more things are noticed,
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 02:57
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I don't feel comfortable with NPC/NPC romantic relationships when one of them is a romance interest in the same game. It reminds me of a situation in high school when a guy told me that for a couple of weeks, he's been choosing between me and that other girl, and finally decided to date me. Um, thanks, I guess. Seems like the Iron Bull's or Dorian's feelings for the Inquisitor must've not been running very deep, huh?
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 03:01
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LOL!!
Seriously?
When I said "borderline rape" and "any takers?" I wasn't being serious....
But this is the BSN.
And sorry, I refuse to read anything that has the word "Twilight" in it.
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 03:06
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It's actually is a very good easy for any anti Twlight people to show what I meant about the abusesive parts in the romance through using psychology. I love psychologyLOL!!
Seriously?
When I said "borderline rape" and "any takers?" I wasn't being serious....
But this is the BSN.
And sorry, I refuse to read anything that has the word "Twilight" in it.
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 03:13
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I also said that in America it is considered Rape under the law since a case similar to this happened in Stebuenvill, Ohio and the hacker group Anoymous had to get involved to give the girl Justice.
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 05:05
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I don't feel comfortable with NPC/NPC romantic relationships when one of them is a romance interest in the same game. It reminds me of a situation in high school when a guy told me that for a couple of weeks, he's been choosing between me and that other girl, and finally decided to date me. Um, thanks, I guess. Seems like the Iron Bull's or Dorian's feelings for the Inquisitor must've not been running very deep, huh?
David Gaider wrote about his thoughts on the IB/Dorian relationship:
http://dgaider.tumbl...d-want-to#notes
To summarize he does not see it as abusive, but not particularly healthy, passionate but not healthy, and the rest you as the players can headcanon.
Rant Incoming *hit the deck*
As for me emboldening part of your post, I played only as a straight femshep in ME. As we all know by now Thane dies and Jacob cheats. You're stuck with Garrus or Kaidan. Kaidan is bisexual (as a straight woman I am personally put off by that since I will never be able to compete with a man and my PC by extension of myself will always feel suspicious about the need to should Kaidan desire male affections/anatomy). And I am of the opinion that Patrick Weekes was working reeaaaalllly hard to pair Garrus and Tali, even to the detriment of femshep. Why?
-He wrote Fleet and Flotilla (F&F)
-He shoved (F&F) into Tali's dossier/Garrus' dossier even though Garrus says he is only into Turian women (guess he lied to femshep) since he watched F&F while on the Normandy in ME2 but refused to watch human&Turian sexual vids prior to the Suicide Mission when in a romance with femshep even though it was almost essential to preventing a cross-species crisis when they engaged each other as such. Why? He didn't want femshep's a**.
-He had Garrus insulting femshep about her lack of attractiveness to him in ME2 (hey look a Turian with half his face blown off, but you don't see femshep calling him out on his lack of good looks). Tali meanwhile fangirls over maleshep in ME2 and both characters are written by Weekes. See the disparity, Tali in love with maleshep and Garrus acting discomforted by femshep's advances but flirting with Tali in ME2 about her immunity.
-Remember how Garrus isn't attracted to humans. Now think about that stock photo being femsheps face (plausible since it is a human and yeah I know we get horrible CC options for femshep but bare with me), and now Tali's face being the photoshop version. Femshep is unattractive to him, but Tali has the face of an angel.
-Yeah, mister ruthless calculus who don't care who Shep knocks off/just agrees with you throughout the series is all torn up about Tali's death to the point of being inconsolable even if I only recruited him in ME2 (the only time he could have met her). Tells femshep to leave him be so he can grieve her, while in a romance. Guess the grieving involved one of his hands and a lot of Turian tears/spooge on Tali's photo.
-Then finally Tali fans get the final insult (since femshep has been getting it since ME2) in Citadel dlc when it is shown the lines spoken from a Qurian to a Turian in F&F are just copy pasta'd by Tali to maleshep in ME2's romance (guess she wasn't speaking from the heart afterall).
This is how not to have NPCs pair up, where there is direct intent to undermine the romance between NPC and PC implying multiple times that the writer would prefer the NPCs be together. Because you know love is only as deep as one's amino acid chirality. Not like femshep had built anything meaningful with Garrus, had been involved in shaping his life and views, or encompasses anything (being a military woman) that would be attractive to a Turian (again speaking from how I felt ME2 Garrusmance was sh*tty after reading Garrus' F&F material and his blatant flirtation with Tali in ME2).
And no I am not against NPCs hooking up. I loved Blackwall's crushing on Josephine and Dorian with IB, since there is no overwhelming indication that one or the other has a fetish for the other that completely rules the PC out or makes them secondary . But I get bad vibes when it is done like the Tali and Garrus pairing.
So after that rant I should just add my femshep (straight orientation) run had no romances and granted Weekes wishes and let Tali have what Tali wants, sine Tali is Weekes' character.
I will say Dombrow's writing of the Garrusmance was light years better than what Weekes did to it in ME2. Alas, the damage was already done when I realized my worst fears had come to fruition with the hook up.
*This post reflects my personal opinions and insecurities and should not be taken as an insult to Talimancers, Garrusmancers, or Talibration-shippers*
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 05:17
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Kaidan is bisexual (as a straight woman I am personally put off by that since I will never be able to compete with a man and my PC by extension of myself will always feel suspicious about the need to should Kaidan desire male affections/anatomy).
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#60
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 05:18
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Umm Qunari is the one race I can see Dorian most with.
Aren't you familiar with forbidden law and those things? Romeo and Julia? ^^;
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 05:22
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I don't feel comfortable with NPC/NPC romantic relationships when one of them is a romance interest in the same game. It reminds me of a situation in high school when a guy told me that for a couple of weeks, he's been choosing between me and that other girl, and finally decided to date me. Um, thanks, I guess. Seems like the Iron Bull's or Dorian's feelings for the Inquisitor must've not been running very deep, huh?
Well people tend to find someone else eventually if you don't want to date them. I like NPC's dating, it ads for the story to me and it makes me happier for them when I'm romancing someone who isn't them ^^
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 05:36
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For me it depends on how it's written in the game, since the Dorian and Bull comes out badly in the game to me I say it was not the best option for said NPC.Well people tend to find someone else eventually if you don't want to date them. I like NPC's dating, it ads for the story to me and it makes me happier for them when I'm romancing someone who isn't them ^^
However, I may get jealous of Isabella hitting on Fenris but I actually like the couple because it's on equal footing to me at least. Since they meet on their own terms unlike the Dorian and Bull's realationship.
Also I agree that their should be hints to us and that the PC romance with said character does not come in second place. Like say during the whole writeing of the tail x Garrus romance which is a bit forced. However, it does come off now that I look like at it again that I am breaking them up if I romanced him.
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 05:37
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Do you also feel that way when a gay man is uncomfortable with a bi-man having a slight preference for women, or why that may be an issue for them?
It may elicit that response from you, but not everyone wants to romance a bisexual person. Nor should they be ridiculed for not wanting to do so.
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 05:40
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Do you also feel that way when a gay man is uncomfortable with a bi-man having a slight preference for women, or why that may be an issue for them?
It may elicit that response from you, but not everyone wants to romance a bisexual person. Nor should they be ridiculed for not wanting to do so.
As a gay man, yes, I feel the exact same way if it's a gay guy using the same irrationality to justify biphobia. Do you also only date men who are exclusively attracted to women with your hair color? I mean, that way he won't cheat on you the second he spots a redhead.
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 05:43
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As a gay man, yes, I feel the exact same way if it's a gay guy using the same irrationality to justify biphobia. Do you also only date men who are exclusively attracted to women with your hair color? I mean, that way he won't cheat on you the second he spots a redhead.
Oh stop it with the "biphobia" some gay men don't want to date bisexuals. Is it morally right? No. Is it their personal choice which makes it ok? Yes.
As a gay man, I have other gay male friends who explicitly say they won't date Bi men. All I can say is oh well. I won't berate them for their choice.
It's simply a preference.
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 05:45
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As a gay man, yes, I feel the exact same way if it's a gay guy using the same irrationality to justify biphobia. Do you also only date men who are exclusively attracted to women with your hair color? I mean, that way he won't cheat on you the second he spots a redhead.
mmmmhmmmmm redheads
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 05:46
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mmmmhmmmmm redheads
Lol, I thought you wanted a blond human for your DA romance 
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 05:48
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Ehh, I would've preferred Dorian to hook up with Cullen.
They do have a relationship, they are friends.
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 05:48
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IMO Iron Bull is ridiculous.. his head is too small for his body and he looks like a Minotaur. So unless you like bestiality, he is a complete yuck in my book. 
Dorian on the other hand.......wait, females can't romance him, so never mind..... 
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 05:49
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Hey I picked Cullen for a reason.Lol, I thought you wanted a blond human for your DA romance
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 06:01
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Oh stop it with the "biphobia" some gay men don't want to date bisexuals. Is it morally right? No. Is it their personal choice which makes it ok? Yes.
As a gay man, I have other gay male friends who explicitly say they won't date Bi men. All I can say is oh well. I won't berate them for their choice.
It's simply a preference.
No one can make anyone date someone they don't want to date, but that doesn't mean you need to perpetuate damaging stereotypes about people in order to justify your prejudice. Specifically in this case that bisexual men are inherently incapable of being faithful and are sex obsessed and duplicitous. That's a problem and is inexcusable.
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 06:04
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It just feels wrong to me and doesn't make kind of sense. I can't even see Dorian with a non-human, really.
Tristan Lavellan disagrees!
I have an unhealthy obsession with those two. It's why I now have two canon world states for Thedas...
I'm not touching the IB/Dorian argument. I haven't done an IB romance yet so I don't really know how I feel about him in that regard. And I'm obsessed with Dorian so there is always going to be a whopping great bias there. Basically making anything I say totally one sided and void.
Both sides have their valid points in this argument and I've found it interesting to read when it hasn't been making sweeping generalisations about abusive relationships sometimes it's not that easy to up and leave them ;(. I definitely don't think it's the healthiest of relationships, but then I can't imagine it having much staying power in the long run. Because, damn it Bioware, if none of my characters can stay with their LI's then no one else is allowed to either. Nope!
This will probably get locked as all do on this subject. So I'll just go over here and dance in the meantime.
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 06:05
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Oh stop it with the "biphobia" some gay men don't want to date bisexuals. Is it morally right? No. Is it their personal choice which makes it ok? Yes.
As a gay man, I have other gay male friends who explicitly say they won't date Bi men. All I can say is oh well. I won't berate them for their choice.
It's simply a preference.
I don't hate or dislike bisexual people. I just feel insecure in those types of relationships, so I don't seek them out, or enter into them if I know ahead of time. Now if I had been in a long term relationship and it was sprung on me by my significant other that he considered himself bi, i'd be displeased he was telling me so late in the relationship and question why now, but I would not stop the relationship unless he cheated or said he wasn't happy.
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 06:09
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No one can make anyone date someone they don't want to date, but that doesn't mean you need to perpetuate damaging stereotypes about people in order to justify your prejudice. Specifically in this case that bisexual men are inherently incapable of being faithful and are sex obsessed and duplicitous. That's a problem and is inexcusable.
Everyone's eyes wonder. I never said bisexual meant promiscuous. I would prefer my li not desire/be attracted to men since I am a woman. If my statement implied otherwise it was not intended.
Edit: I see where the issue is in "suspicious" and "want affections". Poor choice of words. If I know my li may have sexual desires/daydreams/dreams/fantasies (replace 'want affections') about men, this woman personally feels uncomfortable (replaces 'suspicious') with it.
