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[Ryriena]

Also, I just said that to the law it's considered rape in many countries since your not in full control of your mind to consent. I just pointed out the case in Ohio because it's similar to the encounter in the game.

Also so the frak what if you can't see it as rape, its is considered rape in America. The qoute you mention says nothing about the first encounter which basicly has Dorian drunk and Iron bull make advances towards him.
Not that I mind the idea of the two I hate how they wrote the romance.

[Sui Causa]

To be fair, the context of that banter is, once again, Dorian telling everyone to pretty much shut up about it.

Because Dorian relates his fling with Bull to enjoying bad beer. He's ashamed of Bull because in his mind he's so much superior to Iron Bull that he views Bull as not good enough to acknowledge in the light of day. But he's totally okay with going to him and using him for sex when no one is "judging" him for it.

 

Seeing as the writers of the game have confirmed that Dorian's problem with the relationship isn't abuse, and instead it's because he's basically viewing getting caught having a relationship with Bull as getting caught liking Ferelden beer.

 

The problem here is that Dorian needs to stop expecting the fricking Iron Bull to go along with being a dirty little secret, because that's as far from Bull's personality as you can get.

 

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Remind me to call rape whe my husband and I finish off a bottle of wine and fall into bed together. Because clearly neither of us were able to consent because we were drunk and therefore it's rape.

 

\facepalm x 10000.

[Ryriena]

Because Dorian relates his fling with Bull to enjoying bad beer. He's ashamed of Bull because in his mind he's so much superior to Iron Bull that he views Bull as not good enough to acknowledge in the light of day. But he's totally okay with going to him and using him for sex when no one is "judging" him for it.

Seeing as the writers of the game have confirmed that Dorian's problem with the relationship isn't abuse, and instead it's because he's basically viewing getting caught having a relationship with Bull as getting caught liking Ferelden beer.

The problem here is that Dorian needs to stop expecting the fricking Iron Bull to go along with being a dirty little secret, because that's as far from Bull's personality as you can get.

edit:

Remind me to call rape whe my husband and I finish off a bottle of wine and fall into bed together. Because clearly neither of us were able to consent because we were drunk and therefore it's rape.

\facepalm x 10000.

This is coming from the same guy that said the romance in Twlight was well done, and I pointed out in page 3 it's nothing but an abusive relationship.

[Ryzaki]

To be fair, the context of that banter is, once again, Dorian telling everyone to pretty much shut up about it.

 

While admitting he's happy.

 

And yes how dare they bring up his relationship. It's not like he does the same in a romance with the Inquisitor.

 

So bull's good enough for him to **** repeatedly but he'll be damned if he admits it.

 

How charming.

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

And here I thought this will be one of these threads that starts complaining how Bull uses drunk Dorian to get him in bed,also how he doesn't care for what Dorian wants,how he uses Dorian's desire for love to manipulate him and so on...instead I got worst of worsts reasons that don't make sense why OP dislikes this paring.And that is because Dorian should be racist by what OP thinks at least? lol

[Sui Causa]

This is coming from the same guy that said the romance in Twlight was well done, and I pointed out in page 3 it's nothing but an abusive relationship.

I don't care about twilight, what anyone said about twilight, or your opinion on twilight. Because someone speculated that they are the same thing does not make it so. Because someone tells you that the sky is purple, does not mean it is so. So I'm sorry, I'm not going to take some shlub claiming that twilight is abusive and Iron Bull is therefore Edward Cullen and therefore Iron Bull rapes Bella as fact.

 

I'm going to take what is presented in game, as confirmed by those who wrote the game, as fact. Period.

 

I'm sorry that you need to involve more than that to make your case.

[Ryriena]

Because Dorian relates his fling with Bull to enjoying bad beer. He's ashamed of Bull because in his mind he's so much superior to Iron Bull that he views Bull as not good enough to acknowledge in the light of day. But he's totally okay with going to him and using him for sex when no one is "judging" him for it.

Seeing as the writers of the game have confirmed that Dorian's problem with the relationship isn't abuse, and instead it's because he's basically viewing getting caught having a relationship with Bull as getting caught liking Ferelden beer.

The problem here is that Dorian needs to stop expecting the fricking Iron Bull to go along with being a dirty little secret, because that's as far from Bull's personality as you can get.

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Remind me to call rape whe my husband and I finish off a bottle of wine and fall into bed together. Because clearly neither of us were able to consent because we were drunk and therefore it's rape.

\facepalm x 10000.

Also not what I meant just saying the law is stated that way. However the case in Stubenvill is somewhat different which more information can be found http://en.m.wikipedi...hool_rape_case'> http://en.m.wikipedi...chool_rape_case

[Ryzaki]

I love how they're using everything but the game to show how Bull is abusive.

 

probably because as soon as you involve the game that argument falls into ****** pieces.

[Ryzaki]

Also, I just said that to the law it's considered rape in many countries since your not in full control of your mind to consent. I just pointed out the case in Ohio because it's similar to the encounter in the game.

Also so the frak what if you can't see it as rape, its is considered rape in America. The qoute you mention says nothing about the first encounter which basicly has Dorian drunk and Iron bull make advances towards him.
Not that I mind the idea of the two I hate how they wrote the romance.

 

And Dorian was in control he flat out admits it. He says it was an ill advised decision. He made a choice. It was his choice to make.

 

Can we please stop infantilizing the man? I'm sure he's capable of knowing when his tolerance level for drinks.

 

Dorian clearly doesn't feel he was raped as he went back to the Bull for more.

[Ryriena]

It's unhealthy at best and I am not saying it abusevie. So what ever

[Ryzaki]

It's unhealthy at best and I am not saying it abusevie. So what ever

 

No you're merely calling Bull a rapist completely ignoring everything about his character and the damn dialogue in game that disproves that. Much better.

[Ryriena]

And Dorian was in control he flat out admits it. He says it was an ill advised decision. He made a choice. It was his choice to make.

Can we please stop infantilizing the man? I'm sure he's capable of knowing when his tolerance level for drinks.

Dorian clearly doesn't feel he was raped as he went back to the Bull for more.

I did not see it that way thought however I need to look at the dialouge in the game to see the tone and full abilities of it

[Ryzaki]

This thread shows what books like Twlight and fitty shades of grey have done to distort people's views on what a healthy relationship is to them.

In fact, I would clasfiy it as an emotional abusesive relationship, since it's starts when Dorian is drunk and not able to consent which is clasfiyed as rape in America. The most noteable case like this that happened here was in Stebuenvill, Ohio.

However, I also think it's stupid to suggest that someone is wrong in feeling uncomfortable with the two in a realationship I too felt like I needed to point out that a person does not have to be a wall flower to be in an abusevise realationship.

I have a good narrative essay to show what I mean about the relationship http://m.psychologyt...nce-in-twilight it is using the Bella Edward paring though the samething could be said about the Dorian and Bull realationship.

All though he doesn't isolate Dorian ect but he can still be consider abusive if three or more things are noticed,

 

Nice lying by the way.

 

Backpedal faster.

[Ryriena]

No you're merely calling Bull a rapist completely ignoring everything about his character and the damn dialogue in game that disproves that. Much better.

No I am not I am just say it can be considered rape mind you.

[Ryzaki]

I did not see it that way thought however I need to look at the dialouge in the game to see the tone and full abilities of it

 

You're just pulling **** out your ass and backpedaling. Do yourself a favor and stop and actually use the game for your arguments.

[Hazegurl]

While admitting he's happy.

 

And yes how dare they bring up his relationship. It's not like he does the same in a romance with the Inquisitor.

 

So bull's good enough for him to **** repeatedly but he'll be damned if he admits it.

 

How charming.

Why would he tell everyone otherwise? He doesn't want anyone talking about it at that point so why drag it out? It's like asking someone how their day is, and they say "I'm miserable" when a short "I'm fine" ends the discussion much faster.   Mind you I'm not saying he is a ball of misery. I'm saying that the whole "I'm happy, he's happy, everybody's happy" is not as you imply, him boasting about the relationship. He wants Cass to shut it.

[Catwall]

I love how they're using everything but the game to show how Bull is abusive.

 

probably because as soon as you involve the game that argument falls into ****** pieces.

Pretty much. It would be so much less laughable (not to mention less arguable) if people would just admit that they didn't like the pairing because they didn't like IB/Dorian. Instead, Dorian gets infantilized, then shoehorned into a victim role, and IB is given a villainous mustache to twirl and gets his Good Dom card revoked.

[Ryriena]

Nice lying by the way.

Backpedal faster.

how am I lying exactly since their are a few moments of it could be considered a emotionally abusevie realationship by some of the dialouge.

[Ryzaki]

Why would he tell everyone otherwise? He doesn't want anyone talking about it at that point so why drag it out? It's like asking some how their day is, and they say "I'm miserable" a short "I'm fine" ends the discussion much faster.   Mind you I'm not saying he is a ball of misery. I'm saying that the whole "I'm happy, he's happy, everybody's happy" is not as you imply, him boasting about the relationship. He wants Cass to shut it.

 

Because he doesn't want anyone to know he's boning the qunari. Because it's embarassing how charming. (I wouldn't want anyone to know I fancy Fereldan beer.")

 

Also you really think DORIAN wouldn't let the entire group know if he's upset? REALLY? You think Cole would ignore Dorian being hurt by Bull? You think Bull would abuse Dorian knowing he fears becoming a mindless savage brute?

 

You keep bending that pretzel darling.

[Ryriena]

Because he doesn't want anyone to know he's boning the qunari. How charming.

Also you really think DORIAN wouldn't let the entire group know if he's upset? REALLY? You think Cole would ignore Dorian being hurt by Bull?

You keep bending that pretzel darling.

This is the same dude who drew diagrams of having sex with the Qunari inqustior dude do better.

[Ryzaki]

how am I lying exactly since their are a few moments of it could be considered a emotionally abusevie realationship by some of the dialouge.

You just said you didn't claim it was emotionally abusive merely unhealthy.

 

Just stop.

[Ryzaki]

This is the same dude who drew diagrams of having sex with the Qunari inqustior dude do better.

 

Because it's the Inquisitor (who first of all is Tal Vasoth and second has the power to influence nations at his/her fingertips). The Inquisitor isn't show off loud bawdy mercenary who worked in the Ben Hassrath.

 

They aren't the same people.

 

(Which is why no duh they treat each other differently in a romance. )

 

 

Pretty much. It would be so much less laughable (not to mention less arguable) if people would just admit that they didn't like the pairing because they didn't like IB/Dorian. Instead, Dorian gets infantilized, then shoehorned into a victim role, and IB is given a villainous mustache to twirl and gets his Good Dom card revoked.

 

It belittles both characters but I guess that doesn't matter?

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

[Ryriena]

You just said you didn't claim it was emotionally abusive merely unhealthy.

Just stop.

Ok whatever I claimed it was it was both in fact you were saying I claimed he was a rapeist whatever which I did not just because I pointed out the fact it could be considered rape by lawmakers. In fact the one you pointed out by saying he was happy is not saying what you think it means. It's in fact like Hazelnuts says

[Ryzaki]

Ok whatever I claimed it was it was both in fact you were saying I claimed he was a rapeist whatever which I did not just because I pointed out the fact it could be considered rape by lawmakers. In fact the one you pointed out by saying he was happy is not saying what you think it means. It's in fact like Hazelnuts says

 

You claimed he was abusive then brought up rape to make your point.

 

And like I said to Hazel you keep bending that pretzel darling.