I don't think it added anything. It was pretty pointless and played pretty straightforward. Blackwall and Josephine at least had a small, but present, sort of depth.
Is there anyone else who really dislikes the Iron Bull/Dorian 'romance'?
#151
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 11:54
#152
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 11:54
If we had a third gay male in the party and a human at that, Dorian would no doubt go for him first.
But we don't, so Bull it is!
#153
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 12:12
Does love really make sense all the time? ![]()
#154
Guest_Donkson_*
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 01:26
Guest_Donkson_*
It may be an unhealthy relationship but what people need to remember is that Dorian is consenting to it?
Even if you think the situation is very similar to a "rape" case, if Dorian perceived it to be unhealthy and wrong, obviously he wouldn't continue on with it...
I suppose it's slightly similar to women who go back to their partners after getting beaten up.. they will cry for help but all it takes is a sweet nothing and a "I love you, please come back." and after that it's "Mind your own business. He (or she?) loves me, you don't know him/her."
After that... well, I'm sorry but they bring it upon themselves because at the end of the day it's up to the discretion of the individual.
#155
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 01:28
But we don't, so Bull it is!
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I gotta admit though the conquer you dialogue makes me wonder...just how hard can you yank on Bull's horns before they crack? ![]()
#156
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 01:29
I dislike it, but then I dislike the entire premise of the companions forming these kinds of relationships.
- AnnJuly et Aryvine aiment ceci
#157
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 03:03
I dislike it, but then I dislike the entire premise of the companions forming these kinds of relationships.
It makes them more real. As real as any pixelated character can be, anyway. The game itself is already revolving around the PC, so why does that mean your companions can't get it on? I'm not getting this odd...fixation from some fans that NPC's can't hook up because they have to wait around for the PC to choose them. Uh, why? My third character already chose Cullen. Why can't my inner circle play with who they want? It's only fair. Not everything should be controlled by the PC - relationships between NPC's in particular.
- AtreiyaN7, Catwall, Sui Causa et 1 autre aiment ceci
#158
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 03:29
My only annoyance is that Bull is far more flirty with Dorian than Quizzy.
Makes me jealous ![]()
- AnnJuly et Aryvine aiment ceci
#159
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 03:40
My only annoyance is that Bull is far more flirty with Dorian than Quizzy.
Makes me jealous
This. So much this. My first play through I had no idea what I was doing and so it took me forever to get Bull. So I had to listen to these two flirt. Ticked me off
- AnnJuly aime ceci
#160
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 03:42
I finally got him to say to my character, in front of everyone, "Next time we're alone, I'm going to pin you down and do things to you that your body won't believe."
I was okay with this. It made up for a lot of the jealousy. ♥ But you frickin' have to bait him into saying it. xD
- wistful81 aime ceci
#161
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 03:46
Not to derail the thread, but I must know how you did thisI finally got him to say to my character, in front of everyone, "Next time we're alone, I'm going to pin you down and do things to you that your body won't believe."
I was okay with this. It made up for a lot of the jealousy. ♥ But you frickin' have to bait him into saying it. xD
#162
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 03:49
This. So much this. My first play through I had no idea what I was doing and so it took me forever to get Bull. So I had to listen to these two flirt. Ticked me off
Even when I'm not romancing Bull now, I can't have these two in the same party , I still get jealous
Yeah I'm not sure why he's so stone faced when you flirt with him. Made me feel I was forcing him into a romance at first.
And yeah if Dorian doesn't want the savage conquering him I'll gladly take Bull off his hands ![]()
I finally got him to say to my character, in front of everyone, "Next time we're alone, I'm going to pin you down and do things to you that your body won't believe."
I was okay with this. It made up for a lot of the jealousy. ♥ But you frickin' have to bait him into saying it. xD
Wait is that when you're using Cole? XD I think I picked the wrong response and didn't get that at all.
But I don't wanna have to bait him into being unffff
Oh well. hopefully in some DLC he'll be more flirty with a romanced Inquisitor. I can only hope. ![]()
#163
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 03:53
Yesss, I would still be so much more happy with him being more blatant about the sexytimes, buuuut I will take what I can get.
For me it was Cole's second romantic banter. The first one was about the safe word, katoh. The second one was the "He submits, but you serve." Bull says "If you take the mystery out it isn't as hot." You have two options, one is "Bull? Yes it is." And then Bull is like ".....hnnngh in that case, carry on kid!" But you can also say "That's actually how it works?"
And Bull's response is amazing. He gets all blustery like "PFFFFT, WHAT DOES COLE KNOW ABOUT THIS? When we're alone, I'm going to pin you down and do things to you your body won't believe!"
And Cole is like "...but but...that's not..." And Iron Bull is like "*AHEM*" To scare him into shutting up. ♥
It was an adorable and hilarious exchange, I loved it. ;_;
- wistful81 aime ceci
#164
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 03:53
It makes them more real. As real as any pixelated character can be, anyway. The game itself is already revolving around the PC, so why does that mean your companions can't get it on? I'm not getting this odd...fixation from some fans that NPC's can't hook up because they have to wait around for the PC to choose them. Uh, why? My third character already chose Cullen. Why can't my inner circle play with who they want? It's only fair. Not everything should be controlled by the PC - relationships between NPC's in particular.
Oh, it's not that I don't want characters to be solely for the protagonist. In fact, it is quite the opposite. I don't like it because the couples tend to be very cute together so I can't romance either anymore.
#165
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 04:14
Yesss, I would still be so much more happy with him being more blatant about the sexytimes, buuuut I will take what I can get.
For me it was Cole's second romantic banter. The first one was about the safe word, katoh. The second one was the "He submits, but you serve." Bull says "If you take the mystery out it isn't as hot." You have two options, one is "Bull? Yes it is." And then Bull is like ".....hnnngh in that case, carry on kid!" But you can also say "That's actually how it works?"
And Bull's response is amazing. He gets all blustery like "PFFFFT, WHAT DOES COLE KNOW ABOUT THIS? When we're alone, I'm going to pin you down and do things to you your body won't believe!"
And Cole is like "...but but...that's not..." And Iron Bull is like "*AHEM*" To scare him into shutting up. ♥
It was an adorable and hilarious exchange, I loved it. ;_;
I only got the one where cole goes "s/he almost says the word sometimes." CURSE YOU BANTER BUG. CURSE YOU TO THE FIERY PITS OF HELL.
I want the second one. XD
That and I do kind of want to troll Bull more often. Really hoping dlc has expanded banters (that actually work >_> )
- Sui Causa aime ceci
#166
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 04:47
I'm just like...
"Well, if you guys are just so perfect for each other, I'll just stay out of your way then!"
='(
- Hanako Ikezawa et AnnJuly aiment ceci
#167
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 05:16
I both love and hate when companions romance each other.
Love it because it adds depth to the game, and makes it seem like the companions have aspects of their lives that don't involve the PC.
Hate it because it makes it hard for me to romance that character after knowing, because I feel like I'm keeping them from each other or something.
For mostly physical relationships, like Fenris and Isabela I don't feel that way as much. But, like one of the reasons I cannot romance Blackwall is because of how much he loves Josephine. In ME, I also felt pretty weird about both my Garrus and Tali romances because they get together if neither is with Shepard.
In some ways, I wish that the Alistair/Leliana romance existed in the actual game (not just in Darkspawn Chronicles) for additional depth to the party members, but I also know that it would in some sense ruin both of their romances for me.
For the Iron Bull and Dorian romance, the only thing that I dislike about it is the difference between how Iron Bull reacts to Dorian and the Quizzy. Iron Bull flirts with Dorian pretty aggressively, but he acts so stoic towards my Quizzies flirting towards him. Kinda gives the feeling that he would rather have Dorian than my Quizzy, which is a bit off putting.
- Hanako Ikezawa, Ryzaki et wistful81 aiment ceci
#168
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 05:31
I dislike it because Bull is MINE damn it!
...wait what?
- AnnJuly aime ceci
#169
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 05:37
I think you can head canon Iron Bull's actions to the Quizzie to be that way, not because it might be how Iron Bull prefers it, but because of how he sees it has to be?
The Inquisitor has to lead pretty much the entire world around by it's short hairs. He needs to be the picture of absolute power. What he does with Iron Bull can be very easily mis-understood, and anyone who is looking to find some way to undermine the Inquisitor's character/authority/power/ability etc, wouldn't have to look very far if Iron Bull was as open about what he does with the Inquisitor as he does with Dorian.
Plus we're never really given any sort of insight as to just how kinky Iron Bull is with Dorian. From what banter you get, it just seems like some pretty sexy sex. Cole's banter with the Inquisitor leaves absolutely no question just how kinky they are. So Iron Bull keeps it very separate so as not to undermine the Inquisitor's power outside the bedroom. Dorian might not have the same power play, so Iron Bull doesn't need to worry about that etc.
(Plus, who knows. If Iron Bull came on to the quizzie hard when flirting, there would probably be people complaining that he was too aggressive and sexual, and that offends there delicate sensibilities because only typically-attractive humans are allowed to be sexually dominant?)
It's all very nice and it's all very respectful, and thank you Iron Bull for being so considerate. BUT WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DESERT THERE IS NO ONE AROUND EXCEPT THAT ONE DEAD GUY WE JUST KILLED. ITS SAFE. There should be a "DAMNIT BULL WE ARE ALONE, FLIRT WITH ME." button. ![]()
- blauwvis, Nefla et Melbella aiment ceci
#170
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 05:41
For the Iron Bull and Dorian romance, the only thing that I dislike about it is the difference between how Iron Bull reacts to Dorian and the Quizzy. Iron Bull flirts with Dorian pretty aggressively, but he acts so stoic towards my Quizzies flirting towards him. Kinda gives the feeling that he would rather have Dorian than my Quizzy, which is a bit off putting.
I have to agree. I don't know why he's such a golem when quizzy flirts with him. Even after the romance is initated he's still damn stone. I kind of want to shake him. DON'T CALL DORIAN PRETTY BUT NOT ME YOU JERK.
- Nefla aime ceci
#171
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 05:57
I think you can head canon Iron Bull's actions to the Quizzie to be that way, not because it might be how Iron Bull prefers it, but because of how he sees it has to be?
The Inquisitor has to lead pretty much the entire world around by it's short hairs. He needs to be the picture of absolute power. What he does with Iron Bull can be very easily mis-understood, and anyone who is looking to find some way to undermine the Inquisitor's character/authority/power/ability etc, wouldn't have to look very far if Iron Bull was as open about what he does with the Inquisitor as he does with Dorian.
Plus we're never really given any sort of insight as to just how kinky Iron Bull is with Dorian. From what banter you get, it just seems like some pretty sexy sex. Cole's banter with the Inquisitor leaves absolutely no question just how kinky they are. So Iron Bull keeps it very separate so as not to undermine the Inquisitor's power outside the bedroom. Dorian might not have the same power play, so Iron Bull doesn't need to worry about that etc.
(Plus, who knows. If Iron Bull came on to the quizzie hard when flirting, there would probably be people complaining that he was too aggressive and sexual, and that offends there delicate sensibilities because only typically-attractive humans are allowed to be sexually dominant?)
It's all very nice and it's all very respectful, and thank you Iron Bull for being so considerate. BUT WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DESERT THERE IS NO ONE AROUND EXCEPT THAT ONE DEAD GUY WE JUST KILLED. ITS SAFE. There should be a "DAMNIT BULL WE ARE ALONE, FLIRT WITH ME." button.
Maybe but still *pouts* not even when they're mostly alone. Still all that's good reasoning.
But yes can you imagine? We already get 50 shades whining galore it'd probably be multiplied by 10 if he did flirt (that said I'd want it restricted to the PC initiating the romance first so at least they can't say they didn't bring it on themselves but yeah betting if Bull looked like Cullen half the complaints would vanish heck I probably would tolerate some characters I dislike a bit more if I found them attractive XD so I'm not excluding myself from that).
XD yes there should be.
#172
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 06:03
Maybe but still *pouts* not even when they're mostly alone. Still all that's good reasoning.
But yes can you imagine? We already get 50 shades whining galore it'd probably be multiplied by 10 if he did flirt (that said I'd want it restricted to the PC initiating the romance first so at least they can't say they didn't bring it on themselves but yeah betting if Bull looked like Cullen half the complaints would vanish heck I probably would tolerate some characters I dislike a bit more if I found them attractive XD so I'm not excluding myself from that).
XD yes there should be.
Yeah, I'm fine with him only ever responding to your flirting, he comes on strong enough when he finally does decide it's time, so I'll just fan myself and be happy with that. But as adorable as it is that he goes all srsface about how his sword totally has blood grooves so he'll be okay, just a little more sexytalk would be awesome. They really push the comedic with Bull to make people more comfortable with the bdsm stuff, but maybe just a tiny little bit less pandering to the masses here would be nice.
Us Bullriders know what we're getting into, and we're okay with it. Dirty talk us like one of your french girlsTevinter mages!
- Ryzaki aime ceci
#173
Guest_Donkson_*
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 06:59
Guest_Donkson_*
Looking at it from that perspective.. I understand.
DA:2. Fenris is ALWAYS my fHawke's rival. Isabela is always her romance option... so when they flirt, I would get annoyed. I don't even know why I got annoyed...
I wasn't half as obsessed with her as I am with Sera.
I think it's more of a possessive or pride thing... anyway, at least I had the option of sending Fenris to Tevinter. ![]()
#174
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 07:07
You sent Fenris to Tevinter?! How could you! ![]()
I also dislike this sort of thing between (romanceable) companions. It just ruins it for me in future playthroughs.
I'm just like...
"Well, if you guys are just so perfect for each other, I'll just stay out of your way then!"
='(
Luckily there are no romances like that in DA so far. If Cullen and Cassandra had hooked up, it would have been so hard for me to romance Cullen afterwards.
#175
Posté 22 janvier 2015 - 07:12
Yeah, I'm fine with him only ever responding to your flirting, he comes on strong enough when he finally does decide it's time, so I'll just fan myself and be happy with that. But as adorable as it is that he goes all srsface about how his sword totally has blood grooves so he'll be okay, just a little more sexytalk would be awesome. They really push the comedic with Bull to make people more comfortable with the bdsm stuff, but maybe just a tiny little bit less pandering to the masses here would be nice.
Us Bullriders know what we're getting into, and we're okay with it. Dirty talk us like one of your
french girlsTevinter mages!
Still we could've had so much more ![]()
And yeah I'd liked it he at least flirt back with you. Every other LI does. I mean the most lewd banter you get with him involves leaving him for Sera >_< bah Bull. Just bah.
XD yeesss.





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