Yea i dont think find Krem interesting whatsoever and i agree that were she just another woman in the game people wouldnt even pay any attention to her but then again this is all subjective.
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#52
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:33
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He wouldn't be for straight males. If he's gay, then he'd be for gay guys. If he's straight, he'd be for straight gals. If he's bi, he'd be for those groups. I don't think anyone would expect a straight guy to be attracted to someone who presents and identifies as male.
How does that work when she's still got her lady-bits? She might identify as a man, but she's still a she physically.
#53
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:35
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How does that work when she's still got her lady-bits? She might identify as a man, but she's still a she physically.
His gender is male and most of straight women are into people whose gender is male and most gay guys into guys whose gender is male as well.
His sex might be something else and I guess some straight women and gay man could have problem with his genitalia but genitalia isn't everything in relationship.
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#54
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:36
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The male dwarf in the gallows.
o.o there were folks who were enarmoured with him of all people.
Lol, really? I had no idea.
#55
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:38
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His gender is male and most of straight women are into people whose gender is male and most gay guys into guys whose gender is male as well.
His sex might be something else and I guess some straight women and gay man could have problem with his genitalia but genitalia isn't everything in relationship.
Exactly. If it's about who Krem would be attracted to. If he identifies as a male and is attracted to males, he'd be interested in bi/pan/gay guys. Not all of them might be interested back, but that's how he would identify. And I know a few transmen personally. Most of them (the ones that I know) identify as straight and are with bisexual women. I don't know what goes on in their sexual relationship because, frankly, it's not really my business.
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#56
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:43
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His gender is male and most of straight women are into people whose gender is male and most gay guys into guys whose gender is male as well.
Yeah, no. Most straight chicks aren't going to bang someone just because of what they identify as socially. Same with guys not always being too keen on trans chicks. I'm not sure where the idea of this being true came from.
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#57
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:44
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His gender is male and most of straight women are into people whose gender is male and most gay guys into guys whose gender is male as well.
His sex might be something else and I guess some straight women and gay man could have problem with his genitalia but genitalia isn't everything in relationship.
Only 'some'? 
Exactly. If it's about who Krem would be attracted to.
That's nice. How would this apply to her theoretical romance though? If Krem is attracted to females, that would make her the lesbian romance, if attracted to males it would make her the hetero romance. After all she is still physically a she, when you get right down to it.
#58
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:45
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His gender is male and most of straight women are into people whose gender is male and most gay guys into guys whose gender is male as well.
His sex might be something else and I guess some straight women and gay man could have problem with his genitalia but genitalia isn't everything in relationship.
This isn't true at all if you are saying that " most straight women " think that way. Only a few to be honest.
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:46
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Yeah, no. Most straight chicks aren't going to bang someone just because of what they identify as socially. Same with guys not always being too keen on trans chicks. I'm not sure where the idea of this being true came from.
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:46
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Yeah, no. Most straight chicks aren't going to bang someone just because of what they identify as socially. Same with guys not always being too keen on trans chicks.
That doesn't change who Krem would be open to as LI which would be straight/bi/pan woman and gay/bi/pan man depending on his sexual orientation which we still don't seem to know. It's players option to decide if they want to pursue him with characters that fit to his gender and possible race-gating.
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#61
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:48
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Only 'some'?
That's nice. How would this apply to her theoretical romance though? If Krem is attracted to females, that would make her the lesbian romance, if attracted to males it would make her the hetero romance. After all she is still physically a she, when you get right down to it.
This isn't true at all if you are saying that " most straight women " think that way. Only a few to be honest.
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#62
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:48
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Only 'some'?
That's nice. How would this apply to her theoretical romance though? If Krem is attracted to females, that would make her the lesbian romance, if attracted to males it would make her the hetero romance. After all she is still physically a she, when you get right down to it.
It applies to a theoretical romance in the fact that the romance is gated against straight males and lesbians. And gay men and straight women would, likely, have dialogue specific to his being trans prior to engaging in the romance with him.
It's not rocket science, here, people.
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#63
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:49
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This whole thread gets a (Disgusted noise.)TM
Is there typically a chorus of "the character you like is boring" when people (guys) are circle jerking over Harding? Somehow, I doubt it.
And now were on to a bunch of misgendering and mislabeling his theoretical sexual orientation.
Great thread, really.
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#64
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:52
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No straight guy would date a trans guy who identify himself as a she , absolutely none , those who do are either gay ( and in denial ) or bi , if a straight male dated Krem then he'd still be straight if its a woman then it is a lesbian relationship.
#65
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:52
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That doesn't change who Krem would be open to as LI which would be straight/bi/pan woman and gay/bi/pan man depending on his sexual orientation which we still don't seem to know. It's players option to decide if they want to pursue him with characters that fit to his gender and possible race-gating.
Well obviously. But that isn't what you said. The fact is, players will more often than not play a character similar to them, and they'll apply their own values to said character. Imagine if Cassandra or Leliana were transwomen or Cullen/Blackwall were transmen. They would not be nearly as accepted by "most."
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:53
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It applies to a theoretical romance in the fact that the romance is gated against straight males and lesbians. And gay men and straight women would, likely, have dialogue specific to his being trans prior to engaging in the romance with him.
It's not rocket science, here, people.
Exactly, it's not rocket science. The LIs are gated by their preferred gender, not the other way around. So would man-friendly Krem take up the Gay or Hetero slot? I don't see either group being happy losing their slot to her. If she takes up one of the two-bi slots, does that mean the other is will be male or female?
#67
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:55
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No straight guy would date a trans guy who identify himself as a she , absolutely none , those who do are either gay ( and in denial ) or bi , if a straight male dated Krem then he'd still be straight if its a woman then it is a lesbian relationship.
That doesn't even make English.
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Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:56
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Well obviously. But that isn't what you said. The fact is, players will more often than not play a character similar to them, and they'll apply their own values to said character. Imagine if Cassandra or Leliana were transwomen or Cullen/Blackwall were transmen. They would not be nearly as accepted to "most."
We don't know statistic on such thing so I can't go answering that. Like I said I'm trying to stay optimistic.
But if players wouldn't date transman although he's one of their options, well then they themselves gate one LI away from them.
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#69
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:56
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I'm trying to be optimist here and not think badly on my fellow women
. Why would you think badly about them ? A woman born as a woman but who identifies as a man without the genatalia has the right to feel what he feels, has the right to want to be considered as a man, but it has physically zero effects on women attracted to men who aren't forced to think the same and who see a woman instead.
They have their own opinions and they own feelings like the person who feels like a man. Nobody is bad in this story to me.
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#70
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:57
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No straight guy would date a trans guy who identify himself as a she , absolutely none , those who do are either gay ( and in denial ) or bi , if a straight male dated Krem then he'd still be straight if its a woman then it is a lesbian relationship.
I know that this is going to be hard for you to understand, but bear with me: His sexuality isn't defined by his partner's orientation. If he's a guy who's attracted to guys, he's gay. If there are gay guys that aren't interested in romancing him, they don't have to. If he's a guy who's attracted to gals, he's straight. If there are straight gals that aren't interested in romancing him, they don't have to. In this hypothetical situation, no one would be forced to engage in the romance, just like every other romance in Bioware history.
And I'm not sure why you are so hung up on straight guys romancing Krem. I don't think the vast majority of straight men have any interest in romancing someone who looks like and identifies as a male. So it's a moot point.
Well obviously. But that isn't what you said. The fact is, players will more often than not play a character similar to them, and they'll apply their own values to said character. Imagine if Cassandra or Leliana was a transwoman or Cullen was a transman. They would not be nearly as accepted to "most."
i agree that it would not be accepted by most players, which is ultimately why I don't think that they'll add in a transperson romance anytime soon. Hell, just his presence in the game is enough to make Krem 'controversial', let alone the idea of romancing him.
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#71
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:59
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That doesn't even make English.
Only if you are brain dead , ill put in a simpler way for your convenience .....Krem + male = Straight relationship , Krem + Woman = Lesbian relationship. you're welcome.
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#72
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:59
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Exactly, it's not rocket science. The LIs are gated by their preferred gender, not the other way around. So would man-friendly Krem take up the Gay or Hetero slot? I don't see either group being happy losing their slot to her. If she takes up one of the two-bi slots, does that mean the other is will be male or female?
Why is this hard to understand? If he's a guy who is attracted to guys, he'd be one of the gay LI's. If he's a guy who's attracted to gals, he'd be one of the romances for straight women.
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#73
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 10:59
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Exactly, it's not rocket science. The LIs are gated by their preferred gender, not the other way around. So would man-friendly Krem take up the Gay or Hetero slot? I don't see either group being happy losing their slot to her. If she takes up one of the two-bi slots, does that mean the other is will be male or female?
Bioware has already given you answers on all these. They take Krem as male. He would take LI slot for gay men or straight woman PC. Other bi character would be female if he is bi LI. It's not hard to respect his gender identity really, idk why some feel so strongly that they must disrespect it.
And if some group would not like to romance boo-hoo. They are gating themselves out of romance it's not Bioware's nor Krem's problem.
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#74
Posté 21 janvier 2015 - 11:03
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We don't know statistic on such thing so I can't go answering that. Like I said I'm trying to stay optimistic.
And we really don't need one. Time and time again, transgender people feel as if people should accept them sexually as well as socially and find that the two don't mesh as well with the crowds they are trying to attract. Krem, for instance, would have a much easier time attracting a bisexual fe/male more than anyone else. Is that wrong? No. Call me what you want, but I'm not going to have sex with a transwoman anytime soon just because she feels like a woman "on the inside."
But if players wouldn't date transman although he's one of their options, well then they themselves gate one LI away from them.
Which is why BioWare won't invest in a lifestyle "choice" gating of LIs. Sexuality is one thing, it's a lo easier to manage and is easier to justify. All of these lines cost money, and at the end of the day, that is what BioWare has to consider.
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