Why is this hard to understand? If he's a guy who is attracted to guys, he'd be one of the gay LI's. If he's a guy who's attracted to gals, he'd be one of the romances for straight women.
I understand your point. Krem considers herself a man, so she'd consider herself straight/gay/whatever. I don't think you understand mine, which is do you think any of those groups would want to give up their romance slot for it? I don't.
Only if you are brain dead
, ill put in a simpler way for your convenience .....Krem + male = Straight relationship , Krem + Woman = Lesbian relationship. you're welcome.
I'm not straight (or bi or pan) and I've dated a transguy before. Thank you for informing me what my own sexual orientation is. I hope you continue to do good works in the world with your omniscience.
I know that this is going to be hard for you to understand, but bear with me: His sexuality isn't defined by his partner's orientation. If he's a guy who's attracted to guys, he's gay. If there are gay guys that aren't interested in romancing him, they don't have to. If he's a guy who's attracted to gals, he's straight. If there are straight gals that aren't interested in romancing him, they don't have to. In this hypothetical situation, no one would be forced to engage in the romance, just like every other romance in Bioware history.
And I'm not sure why you are so hung up on straight guys romancing Krem. I don't think the vast majority of straight men have any interest in romancing someone who looks like and identifies as a male. So it's a moot point.
ahh the typical im going to be a dick to try to get my point across , how original anyways mind pointing me to the part of my post that stated that Krem's sexuality is defined by his partner's orientation ? i said that his partner, if straight and male , would be still be straight if he dated Krem nowhere in my post did i mention his (Krem's) sexuality, my post touches on the former's orientation not the latter's.
I understand your point. Krem considers herself a man, so she'd consider herself straight/gay/whatever. I don't think you understand mine, which is do you think any of those groups would want to give up their romance slot for it? I don't.
I am going to ask you politely to follow the board rules that Krem is a male and to use masculine pronouns. It's been stated here numerous times that blatant misgendering of Krem will get you a warning. If you weren't aware, now you are. If you were, now you know that you'll get reported if you keep doing it. It's Bioware's rule, so any issues you have with it should be taken up with a mod.
Now, to respond to your question, I've already stated in this thread that I do think that people would have a problem with it and that's likely why we'll probably not see a transperson as a romance option any time soon. For me personally? I'd have to see the character. It would depend on my PC and the character. It is, after all, just a video game. If the LI was a dud, then I'd not be any more interested in him than I am any other dud LI's.
And we really don't need one. Time and time again, transgender people feel as if people should accept them sexually as well as socially and find that the two don't mesh as well with the crowds they are trying to attract. Krem, for instance, would have a much easier time attracting a bisexual male more than anyone else. Is that wrong? No. Call me what you want, but I'm not going to have sex with a transwoman anytime soon just because she feels like a woman "on the inside."
Which is why BioWare won't invest in a lifestyle "choice" gating of LIs. Sexuality is one thing, it's a lo easier to manage and is easier to justify. All of these lines cost money, and at the end of the day, that is what BioWare has to consider.
I don't remember anyone here claiming that anyone is required to sleep with Krem.
I'm not straight (or bi or pan) and I've dated a transguy before. Thank you for informing me what my own sexual orientation is. I hope you continue to do good works in the world with your omniscience.
And how exactly does this disprove my point ? as you said you arent straight so clearly my post isnt aimed at you.
And how exactly does this disprove my point ? as you said you arent straight so clearly my post isnt aimed at you.
Because I'm a gay man and you've said that anyone who would date Krem is a straight guy or lesbian, which is just categorically false.
ahh the typical im going to be a dick to try to get my point across , how original anyways mind pointing me to the part of my post that stated that Krem's sexuality is defined by his partner's orientation ? i said that his partner, if straight and male , would be still be straight if he dated Krem nowhere in my post did i mention his (Krem's) sexuality, my post touches on the former's orientation not the latter's.
It's simple. If you identify as a straight guy, then don't romance the guy! It's not hard. If Krem was a romance and a little heart icon appeared, you wouldn't click it. And that's fine because who you romance is your own business.
It's simple. If you identify as a straight guy, then don't romance the guy! It's not hard. If Krem was a romance and a little heart icon appeared, you wouldn't click it. And that's fine because who you romance is your own business.
I don't remember anyone here claiming that anyone is required to sleep with Krem.
This thread is about why Krem isn't romancable, broski.
Because I'm a gay man and you've said that anyone who would date Krem is a straight guy or lesbian, which is just categorically false.
If you're down with Krem all in the raw, and accept his masculine personality more than anything, you're not "gay" in the traditional sense. You'd be bisexual with a very high preference for male.
And how exactly does this disprove my point ? as you said you arent straight so clearly my post isnt aimed at you.
I'm straight, and I assure you, nothing you post is even remotely aimed at me, either.
Hey everyone. First, let's keep it civil. Second, Allen has been clear that we will not be playing the pronoun game here. Thank you.
This thread is about why Krem isn't romancable, broski.
If you're down with Krem all in the raw, and accept his masculine personality more than anything, you're not "gay" in the traditional sense. You'd be bisexual with a very high preference for male.
It's probably not a good idea to tell someone what their sexual orientation is.
On Krem being LI, I think he would get much more fleshed out personality and maybe some character development as well. If you look Merrill, Isabela, Cullen, Cassandra etc, they have all started from pretty one-dimensional characters simply cause they had little screentime and you couldn't get to know them that much during the time they had. So I think Krem has potential to be more intresting character and LI.
It's simple. If you identify as a straight guy, then don't romance the guy! It's not hard. If Krem was a romance and a little heart icon appeared, you wouldn't click it. And that's fine because who you romance is your own business.
And who said i was against Krem's romance being in the game? you have quite some imagination , i never said or even implied that Krem couldnt/shouldnt be a romance option for those who want it.
I am going to ask you politely to follow the board rules that Krem is a male and to use masculine pronouns. It's been stated here numerous times that blatant misgendering of Krem will get you a warning. If you weren't aware, now you are. If you were, now you know that you'll get reported if you keep doing it. It's Bioware's rule, so any issues you have with it should be taken up with a mod.
Except for the fact the crux of the issue is Krem's physical gender and how it would relate to the nature of the theoretical romance question [which you brought up], not his self-ascribed one. I was using the female pronouns for the sake of clarity and consistency, its hardly blatant misgendering.
This thread is about why Krem isn't romancable, broski.
If you're down with Krem all in the raw, and accept his masculine personality more than anything, you're not "gay" in the traditional sense. You'd be bisexual with a very high preference for male.
Just because someone is a LI doesn't mean you have to romance them. If you choose to gate yourself off from a character for whatever reason, that's your business. A lot of people aren't into BDSM, yet Bull was still a LI. Some people, like me, will never romance him because of that, but here he is.
And no, I'm not because I'm not attracted to women. But thanks for informing me of my own sexuality because apparently you know better than the actual person experiencing it.
Because I'm a gay man and you've said that anyone who would date Krem is a straight guy or lesbian, which is just categorically false.
Well you learn something new everyday
It's ironic that the people who like to use the word 'misgendering', a word they no doubt learned in college from a far-left professor, are the ones who advocate using incorrect gender pronouns for people, they don't seem to understand what the word actually means 
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I go through every romance in the game that I can manage. I didn't even know that someone's sexual orientation had anything to do with playing a video game. What sexual orientation am I for romancing Garrus in Mass Effect?
I think I will call it "Kinsey's Orientation Chart 5: Doesn't play video games on the basis of what he likes to ****."
Just because someone is a LI doesn't mean you have to romance them. If you choose to gate yourself off from a character for whatever reason, that's your business. A lot of people aren't into BDSM, yet Bull was still a LI. Some people, like me, will never romance him because of that, but here he is.
BDSM is a lot more ignorable than body parts. Especially considering Cole reveals Iron Bull has much less control than implied. The fact is, a character won't be romanceable if it's a huge waste of resources and will be controversial, to say the least. This is a business, not a Messiah and bastion of social justice.
And no, I'm not because I'm not attracted to women. But thanks for informing me of my own sexuality because apparently you know better than the actual person experiencing it.
Whatever you tell yourself to make you happy. If you have sex with a woman who besides their hair cut and mannerisms looks exactly like a woman, and you enjoy it with complete consent, you aren't gay. No matter what you may think on the subject, that's a fact.
And who said i was against Krem's romance being in the game? you have quite some imagination , i never said or even implied that Krem couldnt/shouldnt be a romance option for those who want it.
What conversation are you even having? When we are talking about Krem's sexuality, you start talking about how straight guys who romance him would be straight and then, no gay guy would ever romance him, despite a gay guy in the thread saying otherwise. Now, you are responding to me that I have an imagination, but in a response to a claim that I never made. I genuinely don't care if you want a Krem romance in the game or not. And I never made a comment on that either way. You are clearly just looking to pick fights and have been since you started making inflammatory statements on the top of page 3. I'm done with you.
Except for the fact the crux of the issue is Krem's physical gender and how it would relate to the nature of the theoretical romance question [which you brought up], not his self-ascribed one. I was using the female pronouns for the sake of clarity and consistency, its hardly blatant misgendering.
If you are calling someone a "she" who makes it clear that he wants to be preferred to as a male and with male pronouns, then you are misgendering him. You might not mean to be doing so with malice, but you it doesn't change the outcome. You are calling someone a 'she' who made it clear that he's a 'he'. I offered that up just to make sure that we were on the same page. That's all. It wasn't meant as an accusation, so I'm sorry if it came off that way.
I think the problem is that some people are using biological sex and other people are using gender identity. I go with gender identity because all of the transpeople who I know use that as the lens that they look at it. If that's what they are using, then I don't feel it's my place to tell them otherwise.
Whatever you tell yourself to make you happy. If you have sex with a woman who besides their hair cut and mannerisms looks exactly like a woman, and you enjoy it with complete consent, you aren't gay. No matter what you may think on the subject, that's a fact.
I could just as easily say that if you have sex with someone who looks like a guy and identifies as a guy, then you aren't straight. No matter what you may think on the subject, that's also a fact. Guys who have sex with guys aren't straight.
What conversation are you even having? When we are talking about Krem's sexuality, you start talking about no straight guy would romance him and then, no gay guy, despite a gay guy in the thread saying otherwise. Now, you are responding to me that I have an imagination, but in a response to a claim that I never made. I genuinely don't care if you want a Krem romance in the game or not. And I never made a comment on that either way. You are clearly just looking to pick fights and have been since you started making inflammatory statements on the top of page 3. I'm done with you.
First of i was replying to the guy above me on page 3 not you , the fact you kept bringing up that i didnt have to romance Krem if i didnt want to is what led me to believe that you thought i didnt want him to be romanceable which is far from the truth . You can believe that im here to pick fights ( i mean people who do not agree with our views always are , right? ) if you'd like i could care less about your opinion really.
First of i was replying to the guy above me on page 3 not you , the fact you kept bringing up that i didnt have to romance Krem if i didnt want to is what led me to believe that you thought i didnt want him to be romanceable which is far from the truth . You can believe that im here to pick fights ( i mean people do not agree with our views always are , right? ) if you'd like i could care less about your opinion really.
If the whole thing was a misunderstanding, I'm willing to move past it.
If the whole thing was a misunderstanding, I'm willing to move past it.
It seems it was, im willing to move past it as well.
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