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#226
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I can't comment on the shading since I can't see where the light is coming on? Also, that nose's top bridge position rather weird no? It's like the head's rather tilted at one side but the nose's tilted at the other side. Overall great tho, keep it up :lol:


You're completely right... I tought something was wrong, but I couldn't point a finger at it. I need to correct that :)

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@Ceru & Shantia

 

You're totally right about the light; I knew I wanted the light to come from the front, but I really don't understand how light and shadows work so I couldn't shade accordingly. I'm going to spend some time on those wonderful tutorials that are posted on the tips thread. B) I felt something was odd with proportions and that's it, the upper and lower body don't match! You're right, proportions are a pain to get, so I'll keep practising!



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@Shantia: ^_^

 

@Morlanwen:  you're good already B)

 

@Vor: this is what I can find from Gurney's book about Colour & Lighting, Frontal Light chapter.

  • Frontal light is good to emphasize 2D design & local colour instead of sculptural form (Ceru comment: that dress pattern can be interesting no? Since I don't think that you'll put the emphasize on her face? If the emphasize is on her face maybe change lighting to three-quarter/side?)
  • Example: On the face of a bust positioned like your quizzy: slight shadow under lower lip, shadow under chin (top part of neck), shadow under cheekbone if prominent, shadow under brow. The front plane is the lightest, the sides of the heads get darker the further it is from front. All shadow minimal.


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@Shantia: ^_^

 

@Morlanwen:  you're good already B)

 

@Vor: this is what I can find from Gurney's book about Colour & Lighting, Frontal Light chapter.

  • Frontal light is good to emphasize 2D design & local colour instead of sculptural form (Ceru comment: that dress pattern can be interesting no? Since I don't think that you'll put the emphasize on her face? If the emphasize is on her face maybe change lighting to three-quarter/side?)
  • Example: On the face of a bust positioned like your quizzy: slight shadow under lower lip, shadow under chin (top part of neck), shadow under cheekbone if prominent, shadow under brow. The front plane is the lightest, the sides of the heads get darker the further it is from front. All shadow minimal.

 

 

Wow this is so useful, Ceru! My original idea was to emphasize her face, but after your comment I think it will be much more interesting to emphasize her dress; like that's where the light is mostly hitting. Good thing of playing it light with colours is that I still have some room for additional shading by adding darker colours. I'll try my hand at it and lee you see the results  :wizard:



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Wait wait, don't change your emphasize if you don't mean it, that's the soul of your drawing. You haven't put dark shading anyway, if your emphasize is on her face then keep at it, at worst change the lighting to three-quartered from the side.

 

EDIT: If anyone more experimented is here please correct this as necessary:

 

IMO, you choose your emphasize before the lighting... Quote from my Mom: You have to know what message your drawing want to tell, then choose the lighting. This is drawing not photography, you choose appropriate lighting not the contrary



#231
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Mmmm but since there is no lighting recognisable on the drawing I can still change it? Or I will end up messing everything up and still with no recognisable lighting? (now that you mention it, I may be a tad influenced by photography)



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@Vor what I saw, it looks mostly like there are shadings done that fit light coming from the right, specially if you look on the neck. But I am no pro, I might be wrong.



#233
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@Shantia so do you think it's better to try and go with that lighting from the right? Sorry for all these questions, I know you're trying to help to the best of your knowledge. Believe me, I'll not forget this "choose the lighting first" lesson! 



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@Vor that is what I would do. I don't know if it's the best way, but your colours are still pretty light :)



#235
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Just some very quick doodle... WIP.

 

I'm not sorry      I'm not sorry      I'm not sorry... I need coffee...

 

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+ R2s Del. Guys I need your opinions: keep the rose's leaf or not?

 

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#236
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Ceru: even if the leaf is rather cool, it is not practical (ça se dit ça?), maybe you can draw the leaf as a blade at the end of staff? (just an idea ;))
I really like those pocket inquisitors , they're so cuuuuute :D
 
And, since I went back to Skyrim, have a Farkas here :

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Still have problems with noses and so many things, and I can't get to draw 'right' ... I mean, every time, faces turne left .. maybe I should change the height of my desk , or change my hands.. I swear, from my place on the seat, it looks straight and all, but ... :/



#237
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Ooooh those eyes... Love those eyes & nose & lips... Wow you've improved so much :D

About straight/not straight, maybe try to make the gross outline & planes before start shading? That can help seeing whether the planes are straight or not

 

Hehe, the Rose's not a weapon, it's something just to make reference to R2s' fanfiction Chocolate, Sex & Rose (donc c'est pas question pratique ou pas en fait :D ). But the idea of blade is a good one. I'll try to see what I can do about that.

 

Actually I need to stop drawing things like this after all your quizzies are finished & just learn to draw seriously. This kind of Pocket stuffs are really really fun but I'm not learning anything... -_-



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I'd keep the leaf, but maybe on the upper left side? It looks cool but a bit weird down on the bottom.

@Morlanwen I didn't use the plane lines before but since I've become used to them I realized how useful they are. I removed them on the WIP I posted before drawing the face features and they ended up out of proportion.

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@Vor: great idea, thanks!



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@Vor: I found this, maybe this can help you out? The artist (Eme) laid down the first colouring before deciding the lighting.

 

http://emegustart.tu...st/112170774382



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@Vor: I found this, maybe this can help you out? The artist (Eme) laid down the first colouring before deciding the lighting.

 

http://emegustart.tu...st/112170774382

 

Thanks! Yes it helps! Actually I laid down a first colour layer with watercolour, as she does in Photoshop; this helped me realise my mistake was not deciding the lighting then but even later. I know a bit about using Photoshop, so I may experiment a bit with different colours and lightings there (Ctrl+Z works better than the eraser!)

 

I watched the lighting video and studied the very useful colour and colour shades chart, and this is how my Lavellan looks now. I'm pretty happy; I think I will tone down the shadow on her chest with the eraser, and I'm still deciding on the black watercolour wash for the background. But I think it came out much better thanks to your advise and the resources on the tips thread.

 

Edit: actually the brown shadows don't look so dark; I had to adjust contrast because my scanner is a bit sh*tty and they came out a bit darker than they are.

 

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@Vor: Ooow that turns out good. I really like how you colour the sofa as just a background

 

I'd recommend using photoshop or any image treatment to adjust the colour & saturation & contrast after scan.



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Hello, everyone! I'm back from vacation: tan - check, extra two dozen freckles - check, nasty cold - double check. 

 

Welcome to our new additions :) I am so glad to see your contributions. As for the rest of you - WOW! You are improving soooo quickly, it's unbelievable!

 

Now, for individual critiques :)

 

@ Morlanwen

 

Your shading is really great - soft, and you do a great job of hinting at the edges, rather than emphasizing them. You are well on your way to drawing realistically. Your construction needs a bit of work, though. Don't worry, it can be very easily fixed :) When you are still laying down your lines (before shading), take your drawing, and stand before a mirror. Or, if you have a handheld mirror, hold it up to your drawing. Look at your drawing in the mirror. Is there anything off? Maybe the chin needs to go a little to the right... or the mouth. But this is a very easy way of picking up construction errors :)

 

@ Vor

 

Lovely colours :) Did you use a reference for your drawing? DevArt has a very rich reference library, which is truly a treasure trove for artists of all levels. Most of them are for free, all you have to do is credit the photographer :) Make sure to always use references. Settle on a point of reference - let us say the head. And then ask yourself questions: relative to my point of reference, how far is the hand? At what angle does it sit? etc. As for coloured pencils, keep your strokes light, that way you can blend much easier, and with several colours. In very dark areas, take a normal pencil (B2), and shade in lightly. It will make everything pop.

 

@ Ceru

 

Yessss!!! Gray scale Cullen looks great! And, the nice thing about PS is that you can use layers to lay down the colours later. So, you see, not really necessary to start out with colours :) And your pocket quizzies are adorable :)

 

@ Shantia

 

Soooo... Any progress on your lovely character? I wanna see moar :D



#244
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Tesh is back, Tesh is back! :D
Welcome home :)

Someone said Freckles? :P

#245
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Current WIP I'm working on, using pointillism style. The colored pencils are making it a slow process, though it may be the type of paper I'm using which is tracing paper. I also have a sketchpad, haven't tried yet but it might show up better on that type of paper.

 

 

 

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@ KayKay

 

Pointillism is really hard. I'm really curious about the end product. So far, it look great :) Just make sure to trace your basic lines lightly. When you work with coloured pencils, and want to go for realism or semi-realism, the edges have to be suggested through shading rather than a clear-cut line :)

 

@ Ceru

 

Thanks, Ceru :D Yeah, I get freckles when I stay out in the sun too long. It's the only time it shows how many souls I have consumed :P But, no, I am not a redhead. Plain old brown hair, brown eyes :)



#247
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@Tesh WELCOME BACK! I hope you had a great vacation! I been busy with creating stuff for another game so I haven't had much time on my character, but I did work on it a few days ago, and it's a mess so i didn't want to show it hehe. I added some more colours to teh skintone so it's alot better now, I also tried to correct some things, but I been to lazy to blend.

 

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#248
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Welcome back, Tesh! Thank you for your & Ceru's feedback :) Yes, I used as reference some reference poses I found on Pinterest (here they are, in case someone's interested http://aliceazzo.dev...poses-178626824I used as reference the top left one) I'll go straight to DevArt next time, I was searching all across Google until I found those. Those questions you mention are really useful; I'm slowly getting used to asking myself those kind of questions, I didn't before (that's what you get for spending most of your drawing time as a child :D)

 

@KayKay wow pointillism, that takes a lot of patience!! So far as I can tell, the sketch looks good, I'm also curious as to the final result.

 

I'm really inspired by all your art and suggestions, and I already started another drawing. This time it will be just watercolours with little details in pencil; I want to keep shading very subtle, like just one line of darker tone. I wondered how my Lavellan would look going to an Orlesian ball in a dress inspired by the Spanish "bata de cola" (it's a dress sometimes used by flamenco dancers, really spectacular as moving the tail of the dress around is a core part of the dance) Here is how it's looking for now: 

 

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#249
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@Shantia I love how the skin looks, specially on her legs and arms.



#250
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@Vor thank you, that's the parts that have gotten most of my tears hehe. wow I love your new painting it looks so great, and I absolutely love the dress.