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[QweenBeen]

Yeah it sure seems like it. It'll be weird to start on a new foundation, but his method does seem more logical

[QweenBeen]

Okay, since I'm the one who was asking about it, I figured i could answer my own question in case anyone was looking for a video on the "egg" method on angles. I found this but I think I'm still going to learn loomis. There seems to be a lot of free floating lines in this egg method that really depends on your "knack" for it. Since I don't have a knack, this is for those who do

 

https://youtu.be/UoTBlOfelTs

 

Plus I'm a sucker for Australian accents so i watched the whole darn thing....

[Teshayel]

Yep, Draw with Jazza is a good resource I like his videos.

[Cerulione]

Hmmm back in January & early February I did try the Egg Method. As I said it was OK and helped a lot understanding several proportions for front view. Get a book here (in French) that use that method for portrait drawing. The thing is, once we start to go to dynamic angle & side view etc, it's not adequate anymore.

 

TBH I really recommend Loomis' approach. Proko explain in really well compared to Loomis' Drawing the Head and the Hand book. That book is excellent, but it's rather vague on the beginning, it's more like "here's the template, now you figure out how to draw that". Loomis' approach allow a better overview on the 3D aspect of the head compared to the egg stuffs IMO (personal opinion). I mean when you're shading, except if you're going full cartoon, it's important to see in your mind the volume of the head you're drawing. That's my opinion though & TBH I really loves Proko's videos

[Cerulione]

Probably interesting stuffs but I'm not sure on whether those are good reliable sites or not.

 

Gesture Drawing for Animation (PDF Ebook)

 

http://www.floobynoo...oranimation.pdf

 

EDIT: this ebook is excellent. I'm reading it.

 

Drawing for Animation (website ressources)

 

http://www.the-flyin...ng-to-draw.html

http://www.animation...-animation.html

[Cerulione]

A useful site for simulation of moving human being

 

http://www.posemaniacs.com/

 

Colour palettes & Schemes (not bad for idea)

 

http://colorschemede...er.com/csd-3.5/

http://the-perfect-scheme.tumblr.com/

http://palette-time.tumblr.com/

 

Movie Screencaps (can be a good idea for composition & sequences)

 

http://movie-screencaps.com/

[Cerulione]

I actually get a very fundamental question (again) about drawing in general. Any opinion is welcomed...

 

Many (if not all) people told everyone who learns to draw, to draw from life, and avoid drawing from photos as much as possible, for various reasons. Well, while this is OK for doing Still Life, for portrait drawing how can this be applied?

 

Let's be honest, I can't afford going to figure drawing class (yet), not until september because they don't want to take new people before that time. For gesture drawing I tried drawing in the park & in our town square (it's hellish, how to draw movement?). But drawing a portrait is something that needs a subject to not moving for a long period of time. The only head I can try to draw from life without annoying anyone is my own head. I can always try to draw my own head in front of a mirror but it will quickly be limited since I can't see how I look from many angles. Any idea...?

[Teshayel]

Ceru, photos are fine for portraits. The only issue with photos is that the camera lens often distorts the image. You might not notice it unless your eye is trained, or if you pay close attention.

 

I'd say not to worry, and go ahead and use photo references. It will be great practice for you. Even once you start with figure drawing lessons, it will continue to be good practice.

[Cerulione]

Guess that everyone who does fanart do rely on photo

 

Thanks Tesh.

 

Also a question about figure drawings & stuffs: is things like posemaniac a good idea to do "filler"? I don't know how things are in RL figure drawing but I doubt that the models will do anything dynamic. Drawing in the park means drawing everything from kids running to dogs jumping into the pond etc. It's very dynamic, nothing stay still for a few seconds. TBH I don't even know whether it's possible to get the action line correctly. Posemaniac gave the pausable simulation of running etc, is looking at it a good idea? Or better try to draw it from movies? (my BFF suggested try drawing from movies).

 

Aie, so many questions O.o

[Teshayel]

Posemaniacs is an excellent resource. You should definitely use it

[Cerulione]

*thanks, it's funny to pause the simulation to see how it goes. When I drew people running from the last few evening in the park they don't stop or keep moving so I can catch the detail all at one glance.

 

Composition

 

http://kalidraws.tum...presentation-on

 

Spoiler

[Vorathrad]

I'm probably doing it all wrong, but for me drawing from photo reference is an excellent learning resource. I don't have the skill yet to go out to the park and do drawings of what happens there: I'll probably just end up with a bunch of crappy doodles that don't make sense xD Just now, what I need is to take all the time in the world to study and draw lines, shadows, shapes, etc. I will have to go out and draw eventually, but for now I think it will be more frustrating than useful. I'm not generalising here, if art courses say you have to go out then it's better for sure, but I feel that it doesn't work too well for me. At this stage, photo references are perfect for me.

[QweenBeen]

Yeah I'm with you, Vor. I hole myself up in front of a photo reference as I learn the basics of foreshortening, shading, .etc and just need to focus on what's in front of me. However, I definitely see the benefit of drawing every chance we get, so having a sketchbook or tablet is handy. It's about our muscle memory too, right?

I have pretty cool co-workers so I started drawing loomis head angles during meetings when the topic doesn't concern me. It's helped a lot even without putting in features because I really just need to grasp concepts.

.. As I ignore "so when are you drawing nudes?" comments I work with 40 year old teenagers...

[Vorathrad]

Yeah, training your hand is definitely important. I also have a problem with sketches: I want all my drawings to look finished and prefer drawing what I have in my head instead of random poses. But I guess that's like wanting to only play songs on the guitar and never practising scales or finger exercises; so I'll have to get used to it if I want to improve

[onibontan]

Drawing from life has helped me improve a lot. It also trained my eye. I did a lot of self portraits and asked friends to sit for me a few times. I've also done a lot of sketching in public transport since people tend to sit relatively still. You can also go to a cafe and sketch people there. It will definitely help you improve. I think I also benefited from not using an eraser for my public transport sketches, it forces me to commit and make correct decisions from the get-go. But whatever works for you

[Cerulione]

I'm trying to do both now, sketching when in bus (true, people are still), trying to sketch people in waiting room and things like that for the gestures, some ducks in the pond (lots of duckling lately). But I still need photos though, it's impossible still to do without it at this stage. Guess that it's a good idea to do both? Idk.

 

Foreshortening's horror... Can't grasp it at all... Ugh!

 

EDIT to say that I don't sketch in the bus, I do stick figures...

[QweenBeen]

Foreshortening IS a horror!! Gah! I might need another break from it before I erase a hole through my paper

[Cerulione]

I know that! sometimes the papers give up before us...

 

Have you tried using Kneaded eraser? They kill the paper slower.

[QweenBeen]

I have tried kneaded but it doesn't erase as cleanly for me....wait...is there a tutorial on how to erase?

hah, I bet there is!

[Cerulione]

Idk, don't push too hard on the paper? XD

 

I'm using 2H , if not pushed hard it's very thin & easy to erase

[Vorathrad]

Tutorial for erasing: scream first, erase next   H pencils are easier to erase but you have to be careful with pressure, or they leave a mark on the paper even after being erased. The ones I like better are H and F, but I guess that depends on your personal taste.

 

@Ceru Yes it's probably better to do both, photograph reference and sketching on the street. Still, I'm so self conscious when I do that, everybody looks at you when they notice you're drawing 

 

*Looks at baby's arm in current WIP* Yup, foreshortening definitely IS a nightmare!

[ACD101]

hey guys, I came across this image of heads at different angles. The heads are also broken down into shapes more. Just another way to look at it.

 

[Vorathrad]

I was wondering how to approach the shading of my almost bald steampunk mother's head, and this will certainly come in handy. Thanks, AC!

[Vorathrad]

I've been browsing the YTchannel of the watercolour time-lapse and it's gold! Great great watercolour tutorials

[QweenBeen]

Hey guys? I have got to ask because its been nagging me and google gives mixed results. ..is grid drawing cheating?
I love freehand and learning loomis and of course this is a judgment free zone, so all opinions welcome! just curious what people think. I'm thinking it's okay because you're still drawing, just with different proportion lines.
And actually, would grid drawing aid in drawing freehand?