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[Hurkaleez]

I will still play it occasionally, but it is clear the game will not be what we had hoped. No reason to get all upset about it, other stuff to play out there and quite honestly, I feel like we are railing against Devs who have been given this huge task and probably have never even played Mass Effect 3 or even gamed much.  
 
And one Bioware rep's response tells you everything you need know:

Actually, one of our engineers spent his Holiday break making some of the fixes in this patch possible - including the partial fix to the Keydrop. BioWare is one of the most player focused developers in the industry, suggesting we don't care about our fans is quite silly.

 
Thats right people!! 1 Developer was working in the last month for a game that sold 1.14 million copies in the first week alone. Probably topping 2.5 million copies sold by now and they dedicated 1 developer to fixing a huge myriad of gamebreaking problems.
 
So we argue with them and to their credit, when they do respond, they do get into a dialog with the community(albeit sporadically). But what is the point? They argue against what the saner minds in the community know to be true. We seem to be trying to make this game better despite Bioware's best efforts and guess what, the Devs will win every time.
 
My advice: Just move on(or back to ME3) and check back in a few months...

[DrKilledbyDeath]

But I can't play ME3! My disc are broken because they were sitting beside my xbox with the discy side up and my cat who likes to try and climb walls tried to climb the wall by my xbox and scraped some paint chips off and they landed on the back of the disc and because they were near my xbox it was warm enough that they melted onto the back of the discs and I couldn't get it off and now my xbox can't read them anymore and I also don't have a live subscription because I have a playstation now.

 

 

Please fix DAMP

[PurpGuy1]

I blame the Alien Shape-Shifting Home-Grown Reptilian Lizard People Illuminati North Korean Nazi Computer Hackers.

 

Sound crazy?  You know them as EA.

[Eldial3los]

If your mass effect 3 disk is broken (Real copy), is registered on your ea account just call ea support ask them for give digital copy of it.

 

Ive transfer most of physical disk games from EA to digital copies with EA origin support.

 

BF BC 2 disk to digital

BF 2142 disk to digital

BF 2 disk to digital (Had a few problem support had to remove the key assign with my account and grant me new Bf 2 digital key)

Dead space 2 disk to digital

[SofaJockey]

... and they dedicated 1 developer to fixing a huge myriad of gamebreaking problems.

 

Honestly, that is not what was said; no wonder there is reluctance to respond.

 

(and I haven't yet met a single game breaking problem, though I am on console).

[DrKilledbyDeath]

If your mass effect 3 disk is broken (Real copy), is registered on your ea account just call ea support ask them for give digital copy of it.

 

Ive transfer most of physical disk games from EA to digital copies with EA origin support.

 

BF BC 2 disk to digital

BF 2142 disk to digital

BF 2 disk to digital (Had a few problem support had to remove the key assign with my account and grant me new Bf 2 digital key)

Dead space 2 disk to digital

Oh damn I didn't know they could do that. Although I would stil need to get xbox live again lol

[Hurkaleez]

Honestly, that is not what was said; no wonder there is reluctance to respond.

 

(and I haven't yet met a single game breaking problem, though I am on console).

 

They had one Dev working on problems over the break. My point was when you bring out a huge title like Dragon Age and sell millions of copies, plan ahead and devote more than 1 person over the holidays. They did not so it was a 'We really do not care about our fans. They can wait 2 or 3 months until we re-ramp up development to this title. $50 million in revenues is not enough to make us act considerately toward our customer base'

 

Again, do not bring out a major game right before the Holidays if you are not prepared to fix it. Plain and simple, but I am sure some lawyerly arguments you make will absolve them of all wrongdoing. 

[Cheviot]

There's a lesson in this: Developers should not make direct statements to their fanbase.  Otherwise you get situations like this, where the story of someone foregoing their holiday to do some overtime is twisted to be incontrovertable proof that this person was the only one working on the game at the time. 

[PurpGuy1]

There's a lesson in this: Developers should not make direct statements to their fanbase.  Otherwise you get situations like this, where the story of someone foregoing their holiday to do some overtime is twisted to be incontrovertable proof that this person was the only one working on the game at the time. 

 

Not one person, one monkey!

[SofaJockey]

They had one Dev working on problems over the break. My point was when you bring out a huge title like Dragon Age and sell millions of copies, plan ahead and devote more than 1 person over the holidays. They did not so it was a 'We really do not care about our fans. They can wait 2 or 3 months until we re-ramp up development to this title. $50 million in revenues is not enough to make us act considerately toward our customer base'

 

Again, do not bring out a major game right before the Holidays if you are not prepared to fix it. Plain and simple, but I am sure some lawyerly arguments you make will absolve them of all wrongdoing. 

 

Don't be snarky please, my arguments do not require much complexity to make the point,

nor is it reasonable to assume I want to absolve BioWare if they have messed up.

 

If you make a melodramatic post and indeed thread, assuming what you want to read, not actually reading what someone has said,

then don't be surprised if someone wants to argue the point with you.

 

You said:

 

"1 Developer was working in the last month for a game that sold 1.14 million copies in the first week alone. Probably topping 2.5 million copies sold by now and they dedicated 1 developer to fixing a huge myriad of gamebreaking problems."

 

There is clearly not just 1 developer working on this, nor is that what was said to you,

just that one of them, who was part of the key glitch solution, worked through their holiday break.

 

Back to your original point, you are absolutely correct that releasing a DLC on December 15th (?)  without a back up plan was not a great idea.

The key glitch was very annoying and swept away more goodwill than a DLC with some dogs and burning buildings was worth.

 

Now that the patch is out, I'm hoping most of the key glitch issues are resolved.

I'm looking forward to reading the XB1 patch notes when they release, though the key glitch only affects 5-10% of my games.

[-PenguinFetish-]

Now that the patch is out, I'm hoping most of the key glitch issues are resolved.

 

Spoilers: They aren't. 

[SofaJockey]

Spoilers: They aren't. 

 

You're saying most of the glitches still happen?

 

I presume Giants are still an issue.

I was assuming wolves and hyenas would be resolved.

 

I get the sense that the fix was animal specific (dogs) so the remaining glitches are 'not dogs'

which are now more noticeable because people are looking out for them?

 

It would concern me if the patch fixed dogs

but increased the glitch potential of other animals/foes.

 

The overall key glitch frequency should be reduced now, yes?

But you're saying there <50% glitch reduction?

[Trickshaw]

There is clearly not just 1 developer working on this, nor is that what was said to you,

just that one of them, who was part of the key glitch solution, worked through their holiday break.

 

Very much this.

 

While I agree with the OP that people need to lower their expectations and take a break if need be I also agree with SofaJockey that there are WAAAAAAAAAAY too many of you being completely obtuse about the situation.

 

People are either misquoting, quoting out of context or COMPLETELY misconstruing what is being said 1/2 the time by BioWare and then you up and wonder why they don't post on the forums very often.  If every time you go to pet a dog, the dog snaps at you exactly how long before you stop trying to pet that ****ing dog?

 

Exactly.

[-PenguinFetish-]

I presume Giants are still an issue.

Also presume wolves and hyenas are resolved.

 

I get the sense that the fix was animal specific (dogs) so the remaining glitches are 'not dogs'

which are now more noticeable because people are looking out for them?

 

It would concern me if the patch fixed dogs

but increased the glitch potential of other animals/foes.

 

The overall key glitch frequency should be reduced now, yes?

 

From the few hours I played post patch it didnt seem to change the frequency of anything. 

 

At this point I truly imagine a day in the bioware office to looks like this (courtesey of Sojourner_Truth on reddit):

 

[SofaJockey]

At this point I truly imagine a day in the bioware office to looks like this (courtesey of Sojourner_Truth on reddit):

 

 

Ha. You're not wrong...

The players deserve to have it resolved, but I also feel for the devs.

I also sense that some of the continuing PC issues are complicated by installed 3rd party 'fixes'.

[-PenguinFetish-]

Very much this.

 

While I agree with the OP that people need to lower their expectations and take a break if need be I also agree with SofaJockey that there are WAAAAAAAAAAY too many of you being completely obtuse about the situation.

 

People are either misquoting, quoting out of context or COMPLETELY misconstruing what is being said 1/2 the time by BioWare and then you up and wonder why they don't post on the forums very often.  If every time you go to pet a dog, the dog snaps at you exactly how long before you stop trying to pet that ****ing dog?

 

Exactly.

 

If I wasn't feeding my dog or throwing him wood shavings instead of the meal that I promised, then I probably wouldn't be too surprised at him trying to bite my arm off. 

 

I feel that this is partially directed at me, and if you watch my video then you will notice that I give all of the comments context and just post the screencaps. I dont paraphrase or edit anything.

[actionhero112]

I'm an eternal optimist and have considerable amount of gamer's endurance, so I still believe in this game. Plus I haven't got any key glitches since the patch, so that's a plus.

 

Though I don't blame people for stepping out due to the bugs that plague this game. I just had a game that refused to give me gold or xp after spending 15 minutes on it. That sucks and after 5 or so games, I don't find it that surprising that people will get angry. 

 

Sure the dog is snapping at your hand when you try to pet it, but you're also feeding it rocks and pretending it's food.

[Waukeen25]

You're saying most of the glitches still happen?

 

I presume Giants are still an issue.

I was assuming wolves and hyenas would be resolved.

 

I get the sense that the fix was animal specific (dogs) so the remaining glitches are 'not dogs'

which are now more noticeable because people are looking out for them?

 

It would concern me if the patch fixed dogs

but increased the glitch potential of other animals/foes.

 

The overall key glitch frequency should be reduced now, yes?

But you're saying there <50% glitch reduction?

 

Look at it like this, the key issues happened because of problems A B and/or C but they were only able to figure out and solve A but B and C are still happening and they decided that since A isn't happening anymore the problem is solved.  I feel that it is not happening as much anymore but still happens enough to wonder how the hell they couldn't find the issue in whatever "testing" (which I believe consists of, at this time, "does it compile without errors?  Yes?  Ship it!!!")

 

I have heard the pots are still respawning but have yet to see evidence of this myself but in all truth if this is the way they patch they should be ashamed of their QA/QC team.  Then again they are a division of EA and its not like the Frostbite 3 engine has issues...oh forgot about Battlefield 4 my bad.

 

From the few hours I played post patch it didnt seem to change the frequency of anything. 

 

At this point I truly imagine a day in the bioware office to looks like this (courtesey of Sojourner_Truth on reddit):

 

 

PenguinFetish - I am honestly surprised you or I haven't been banned since we are a couple of the more outspoken people on here who apparently harass the devs and are rude to them a lot.  Pretty sure that time is coming because we are whiners.

 

If they just admitted they screwed up and are working hard to fix the issues without being snarky and trying to shift the blame to the consumer a lot of these "issues" (that I have yet to see evidence of but apparently us bringing up legitimate issues count as such) would go away.  They won't because they (in this case the developers) are apparently always right.

 

I will not be surprised to see this post get deleted again because I am being critical but its ok I've been saving all my posts and plan to send a nice email to TheRegister, PCGamer and others with them in the next couple of days.  I really hope one of the takes the ball and runs with it.

 

What BWEAmelia doesn't understand is I am being blunt and getting right to the heart of the matter but if she would like me to rude as she seems to think we are (those who are posting about these issues) I can be.  If I wanted to get a passport I am pretty sure the US Government would deny it because I would probably cause a diplomatic incident within 5 minutes of getting to what ever country I was in.

[lpconfig]

 

 
My advice: Just move on(or back to ME3) and check back in a few months...

 

 
Did a few matches of ME3MP today and found it pretty refreshing.

[Waukeen25]

If I wasn't feeding my dog or throwing him wood shavings instead of the meal that I promised, then I probably wouldn't be too surprised at him trying to bite my arm off. 

 

I feel that this is partially directed at me, and if you watch my video then you will notice that I give all of the comments context and just post the screencaps. I dont paraphrase or edit anything.

 

I put my kat in the drier to calm him down from time to time.  Plus he comes out smelling linen fresh.

[Saboteur-6]

I will still play it occasionally, but it is clear the game will not be what we had hoped. No reason to get all upset about it, other stuff to play out there and quite honestly, I feel like we are railing against Devs who have been given this huge task and probably have never even played Mass Effect 3 or even gamed much.  
 
And one Bioware rep's response tells you everything you need know:

 
Thats right people!! 1 Developer was working in the last month for a game that sold 1.14 million copies in the first week alone. Probably topping 2.5 million copies sold by now and they dedicated 1 developer to fixing a huge myriad of gamebreaking problems.
 
So we argue with them and to their credit, when they do respond, they do get into a dialog with the community(albeit sporadically). But what is the point? They argue against what the saner minds in the community know to be true. We seem to be trying to make this game better despite Bioware's best efforts and guess what, the Devs will win every time.
 
My advice: Just move on(or back to ME3) and check back in a few months...

 

I like how Amelia's quote, which was to illustrate the commitment of a developer going "above and beyond", is somehow being twisted as "one guy is working on bug fixes". That's the very example of taking someone's quote out of context to justify some ridiculous agenda.

[HTTP 404]

DAMP really just makes me want to play MEMP if I still had my 360.  I do see a lot of potential for DAMP for future DA games though... 

[Hiero_Glyph]

I like how Amelia's quote, which was to illustrate the commitment of a developer going "above and beyond", is somehow being twisted as "one guy is working on bug fixes". That's the very example of taking someone's quote out of context to justify some ridiculous agenda.

To be fair, if a product is broken to the point of not saving progress that is a game-breaking bug which should be addressed in a timely fashion (not a month later). While the holidays often present timeline problems, Bioware sold us a product and advertised it is working. A patch broke much of this and required additional work to correct. Why is it the consumers' problem that Bioware failed to test the patch before deploying it, knowing full well that the holidays were approaching and could cause potential issues? That sounds like bad planning to me.

While Amelia was certainly trying to provide evidence to show that Bioware went above and beyond, the result is still a broken game and very little attention was given to correct the issue (by her own admission). Given what we know now about patch 3, even less effort was provided as the glitch still occurs frequently despite Bioware originally claiming otherwise. We have since been provided with more information stating that only one instance of the key glitch was corrected but Bioware claimed otherwise until the community noted that this issue still ocurred. The new map variant is also missing according to many players yet Bioware has not made any statement or apologized for this oversight.

I'm sorry but Bioware told us what to expect and they utterly failed to deliver on what was promised. How is that going above and beyond? If anything is out of context it is Amelia's opinion of Bioware.

[Waukeen25]

I like how Amelia's quote, which was to illustrate the commitment of a developer going "above and beyond", is somehow being twisted as "one guy is working on bug fixes". That's the very example of taking someone's quote out of context to justify some ridiculous agenda.

 

Amelia was illustrating something?  You must have read different posts from her than I have because in every post I have seen from her she is passive-aggressive, unwilling to listen, threatening people, calling some of the most helpful people in the community "villains" and frankly isn't worth dealing with anymore since she typically makes things worse with what she does say.  But when she posted a reply which was a picture of a dog and some stupid crap around it I found that very helpful.

 

EAWare needs to apologize for what they have done, stop her from posting to the forums and get a proper PR/Community Manager in here.  The Mod bots that they have running around are about as worthless as my kat is when it comes to doing stuff but at least he cleans himself on a daily basis.

 

And if this sounds like I am mad your damn right I am mad after the way she has treated PenguinFetish and others on this forum, myself included,  I'm done biting my tongue with regard to her.

[Saboteur-6]

To be fair, if a product is broken to the point of not saving progress that is a game-breaking bug which should be addressed in a timely fashion (not a month later). While the holidays often present timeline problems, Bioware sold us a product and advertised it is working. A patch broke much of this and required additional work to correct. Why is it the consumers' problem that Bioware failed to test the patch before deploying it, knowing full well that the holidays were approaching and could cause potential issues? That sounds like bad planning to me.

While Amelia was certainly trying to provide evidence to show that Bioware went above and beyond, the result is still a broken game and very little attention was given to correct the issue (by her own admission). Given what we know now about patch 3, even less effort was provided as the glitch still occurs frequently despite Bioware originally claiming otherwise. We have since been provided with more information stating that only one instance of the key glitch was corrected but Bioware claimed otherwise until the community noted that this issue still ocurred. The new map variant is also missing according to many players yet Bioware has not made any statement or apologized for this oversight.

I'm sorry but Bioware told us what to expect and they utterly failed to deliver on what was promised. How is that going above and beyond? If anything is out of context it is Amelia's opinion of Bioware.

 

You jump to so many conlusions here that I'm hesitant to respond.

 

1. Bioware failed to test the patch before deploying it - You have zero proof of this and are just speculating.
2. very little attention was given to correct the issue (by her own admission). - Again another example of taking Amelia's quote deliberately out of context. You have no clue how many people worked on these issues, only that one of the dev's worked over the holiday in an effort to fix them.
3. patch 3, even less effort was provided - Pure assumption and speculation yet again.
4. told us what to expect and they utterly failed to deliver - This is at least rooted in some fact. BioWare released patch notes that, among many things, stated "Fixed case that could cause keys to not drop in multiplayer mode." Unfortunately what BioWare was trying to communicate was, (per BWEAMelia) " We fixed one major case causing the keydrop bug, we didn't solve the whole issue as we didn't have time to get that into this patch." It's an unfortunate example of how vagueness, lack of specificity, and choice of wording on something data oriented like patch notes can be problematic. "Utterly failed to deliver" is an overgeneralization though. Plenty of things in that patch are working.