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[robertthebard]

Tell me more about the DAO fetch quests and how they were multiple hours long.

Tell me more about any of the fetch quests that require you to do them in one sitting? In fact, tell me more, in the examples you listed in the OP, which of them requires you to do them, at all?

Don't some of the Blackstone quests actually require different chapters? I seem to recall that, but it's been a considerable amount of time since I've messed with them.

[Xralius]

The most boring quest in DAO was the nugs. But that took 5 minutes.

[Winged Silver]

Tell me more about the DAO fetch quests and how they were multiple hours long.

 

I, personally, wouldn't define Inquisition's to be multiple hours long. Closing the rifts made sense to the story. Collecting the shards hardly ever took extra time, given that they were usually on the way to the major stuff. Now, if someone unlocked every map, and only went to collect the shards, then I assume they would indeed find that boring. But if someone willingly chooses to play that way (and finds it boring), when they don't have to, I don't see that as a design flaw, but rather as bad planning (on the player's part).

[grimgim]

If you completed that quest non-stop, you've only got yourself to blame.

[Xralius]

So robert lets get this out of the way:
you are agreeing with me that they are tedious.
However, since they are not part of the main quest, it doesn't matter, according to you, right?

[dreamgazer]

If you completed that quest non-stop, you've only got yourself to blame.

 

Sums up every RPG fetch and gather quest.  And yup, DAO's got 'em, too. 

[Icy Magebane]

There are 113 shards in DA:I?  Wow, it didn't seem like that many... that's quite a lot!  I have to say, though, aside from the Forbidden Oasis shards, I didn't actually mind collecting these... it was just something extra to do while I was already exploring the zones and there was a decent payoff at regular intervals.  Definitely not the worst quest ever.  Probably not even the worst in this game.

[robertthebard]

So robert lets get this out of the way:
you are agreeing with me that they are tedious.
However, since they are not part of the main quest, it doesn't matter, according to you, right?

Not exactly, no. If I were to just sit down and do them all in order, it would be tedious. However, I don't even have to think about approaching them that way, and nothing about that makes it an MMO. Check it out:

At Calenhad's Foothold, I close a rift, use the skull, and hey, right there, on the bridge, a shard, so I get it. I then go about my business until I stumble over the next one. In my first playthrough, it took me 112 hours to get all the shards. That's how many hours I had into the game when I got the last one. So what's the fuss about? I'd been collecting them since I got the first skull, in the Hinterlands, I just didn't drop everything and go after them.

[Xralius]

"DAO has fetch quests" you people keep saying. How does collecting 10 nugs in an area compare to 113 shards and resources and more? It doesn't. Anyone who thinks that even compares is wrong.

[Rothschildzionis]

I fkinm love dao side quest which were optional and had nothing to do with the story but were for gold if you wanted,   the fade rifts in this game have nothing to do with the story, and no effect on it, but if this game had one side quest of doa level quality like the one in denerim  that had you dump bodies inn a well no one would be com-plaining

[Xralius]

It doesn't mattet if you do it all at once. It's still mindless filler content with zero purpose or story.

[Winged Silver]

"DAO has fetch quests" you people keep saying. How does collecting 10 nugs in an area compare to 113 shards and resources and more? It doesn't. Anyone who thinks that even compares is wrong.

 

Just because there aren't as many items to fetch doesn't make it not a fetch quest. It's valid to say you preferred fewer items to collect, but from what it sounded like, you were implying the Origins and Inquisition had entirely different mechanics, when they didn't.

[Xralius]

Not to mention it hurts atmosphere.

[Il Divo]

You people seem to think all games are this tedious. Name one thing that tedious in another Bioware game other than ME space farm. That's right you can't, because they have never made a game this terrible before.

 

Walking anywhere in Baldur's Gate. 

[robertthebard]

"DAO has fetch quests" you people keep saying. How does collecting 10 nugs in an area compare to 113 shards and resources and more? It doesn't. Anyone who thinks that even compares is wrong.

Actually, you're wrong. There are 22 shards in the Hinterlands, and to safely get the last four, you need to be able to both survive being dive bombed by the dragon, and survive the dragonlings, which are level 11ish. The dragon will fly to where the fight arena is, but the dragonlings do not leash. So even if you're lucky enough to avoid being dive bombed, you still have to be able to effectively fight the dragonlings. So you're not sitting down to get those before you leave the Hinterlands, at least, not w/out breaking up the search with other quests, which then blows your whole premise of just sitting down to do it like the nugs.

[Nefla]

I was thinking of doing a playthrough where I time only the plot and companion quests as well as the judgments and stop the timer at the mandatory power grinding parts to see how long the core game is. I can't bring myself to play it again though.

[robertthebard]

I fkinm love dao side quest which were optional and had nothing to do with the story but were for gold if you wanted,   the fade rifts in this game have nothing to do with the story

Yeah, no. The Fade rifts are caused by the Breach that you close to end Act I, meaning they have everything to do with the story, even though you're really not required to close them all. They're just something you can do on the side for Power and Influence, if you didn't exploit all of that you needed pre patch...

[FKA_Servo]

You're fighting a losing battle here, and every tap of the key is one closer to your inevitable demise. In case you were worried about time misspent.

Just saying.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I was thinking of doing a playthrough where I time only the plot and companion quests as well as the judgments and stop the timer at the mandatory power grinding parts to see how long the core game is. I can't bring myself to play it again though.

 

That was my plan as well. Couldn't bring myself to do it though. Perhaps once they finished patching out the worst bugs and add some new content.

[Xralius]

I might be fighting a losing battle in trying to convince both of you, since logic and reason do not apply to you, but I think anyone reading will agree that comparing a 3 hours of.collecting the same thing over and over is nothing compared to collecting 10 nugs.

[dreamgazer]

"DAO has fetch quests" you people keep saying. How does collecting 10 nugs in an area compare to 113 shards and resources and more? It doesn't. Anyone who thinks that even compares is wrong.

 

Are you wanting people to list off the other fetch quests, where you gather garnet and gall samples and whatnot? 

[Xralius]

Obvipusly they have to do with the stoey, but it is repitive and tedious. Green blob spews out demons. Kill demons. Cast dispell. Green blob spews out more demons. Kill demons. Close portal. Repeat 49 times. GOOD NARRATIVE. MUCH IMMERSION.

[Winged Silver]

Are you wanting people to list off the other fetch quests, where you gather garnet and gall samples and whatnot? 

 

Already started but seriously, the only change they made was to increase how much you collected. The nature of the missions is still the same (to the OP)

[FKA_Servo]

Or don't, if you don't want to. Nobody has a gun to your head.

[Xralius]

Yes. I want you to list them off Dreamgazer. Then i will respind to each of.them by saying how it bettered the atmosphere of the game, how they were more interesting, and how little time they took compared to the bulk of the larger quests.