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[Helmetto]

I feel like the games really, really want you to side with the mages.

 

DAO: If you don't side with the mages, you pretty much lose the only real healer in the game.

DA2: Orsino is portrayed as a far more sympathetic figure who pretty much turns to blood magic out of complete desperation, versus Meredith who was a ball of crazy who with red lyrium slowly became even more crazy/extreme

DAI: Ignoring the fact that "MOTHERFUCKING TIME TRAVEL" is a much more pressing issue - I mean, you enemy can travel through time for gods sake, that's pretty hard to ignore - but you have to choose between killing Fiona, who, by the way, is the mother of one of DAO's potential love interests, but also someone who we're far more acquainted with through the books... versus some random douche bag who we've never met. Oh, and the fact that we don't even NEED to fight Calpernia.

 

I feel like in pretty much every game, siding with the Templars at all is viewed as the "evil" option. I don't recall a single time where the game didn't make me feel like an ass for siding with them. Except, no, I disagree with the mages at times, Templars during others. I'd like to make morally ambiguous decisions, but not when the decisions are heavily implied to have rights and wrongs in them. Either give me someone just as sympathetic as Fiona, or give me some **** I shouldn't care about.

[Poisd2Strike]

I feel like the games really, really want you to side with the mages.

 

DAO: If you don't side with the mages, you pretty much lose the only real healer in the game.

DA2: Orsino is portrayed as a far more sympathetic figure who pretty much turns to blood magic out of complete desperation, versus Meredith who was a ball of crazy who with red lyrium slowly became even more crazy/extreme

DAI: Ignoring the fact that "MOTHERFUCKING TIME TRAVEL" is a much more pressing issue - I mean, you enemy can travel through time for gods sake, that's pretty hard to ignore - but you have to choose between killing Fiona, who, by the way, is the mother of one of DAO's potential love interests, but also someone who we're far more acquainted with through the books... versus some random douche bag who we've never met. Oh, and the fact that we don't even NEED to fight Calpernia.

 

I feel like in pretty much every game, siding with the Templars at all is viewed as the "evil" option. I don't recall a single time where the game didn't make me feel like an ass for siding with them. Except, no, I disagree with the mages at times, Templars during others. I'd like to make morally ambiguous decisions, but not when the decisions are heavily implied to have rights and wrongs in them. Either give me someone just as sympathetic as Fiona, or give me some **** I shouldn't care about.

 

DAO: Except for the fact that you can play as a Mage and be the primary healer for the party.  I did and also kept Morrigan in the party as a secondary Mage.

 

DA2:  Apparently you forgot about this guy named Anders who blew up the Kirkwall Chantry and is now in hiding as a result.  Oh, and he was a Mage and the explosion killed alot of people

 

DAI:  Corypheus was pretty much manipulating everyone (Grey Wardens, Templars and Mages) and Tevinter played a big part in the whole Redcliffe time travel situation

 

Most people don't sympathize with Fiona.  The only reason I do is because I read the book (The Calling) and know her back story.  Also, the Elves are generally treated as 2nd Class Citizens which is one of the main reasons Fiona became a Grey Warden.

[Drasanil]

DAO: You can side with the templars and keep Wynne. You just have to wait till the end before doing so.

 

DA2: Orsino was the reason Quinton was even on the loose to kill your mother. And he goes full derp for absolutely no reason if you side with him, at least Meredith had the red lyrium paranoia for an excuse. Plus, you know, Anders.

 

DAI: Time travel is barely a threat. I mean if it could pose a real threat it would have already done its thing and you wouldn't be there to see that there is time travel in the first place! Not to mention the greatest good of all, siding with the templars means you get to kill Fiona.

 

EDIT: Honestly, the only reason to even side with the mages in DAI is to recruit Agent Alexius, since he's a pretty cool guy. But of course, that mean's you're also stuck with Fiona who can't be hauled before the throne of judgement for some reason.

[MisterJB]

Orsino, the dude who looked the other way as blood mages slaugthered people, including your mother, going so far as to stonewall official investigations is the more sympathetic party?

[Aaleel]

I think they were trying to make up for making all mages look like they'll go crazy for absolutely no reason in DA2.

 

"I escaped from the Circle, first thing I'm going to do is go home and kill my wife"

[Helmetto]

DAO: Except that forces your character to actually be a mage. Also, the Keep says otherwise.

 

DA2: I wouldn't consider Anders anymore part of the Circle than I would consider Ohgren to be apart of Orzammar. Orsino also realized how fucked they all were, which was why he bit the bullet in the first place. You also can't blame Orsino for another person's actions.

 

DAI: THe fact that we can learn about Fiona, not to mention have a full understanding of the Mages' plight regardless if we agree with them, and not about the other guy who's only excuse is "BUT POWERRRRRR" kind of speaks volumes of the differences between treatment.

 

Also, Time travel not being a threat. Really? Really? I would argue that it's complete incompetance on everybody's parts that it wasn't properly utilized. It's complete incompetance that we didn't have an option to talk to Dorian about possibly using it to also recruit the Templars. Time travel: Solution to shittons of problems. The world was fucked anyway, might as well USE IT TO UNITE ALL OF THEDAS INSTEAD OF KILLING OFF CHUNKS OF THEM.

[Saberchic]

I feel like the games really, really want you to side with the mages.

 

DAO: If you don't side with the mages, you pretty much lose the only real healer in the game.

DA2: Orsino is portrayed as a far more sympathetic figure who pretty much turns to blood magic out of complete desperation, versus Meredith who was a ball of crazy who with red lyrium slowly became even more crazy/extreme

DAI: Ignoring the fact that "MOTHERFUCKING TIME TRAVEL" is a much more pressing issue - I mean, you enemy can travel through time for gods sake, that's pretty hard to ignore - but you have to choose between killing Fiona, who, by the way, is the mother of one of DAO's potential love interests, but also someone who we're far more acquainted with through the books... versus some random douche bag who we've never met. Oh, and the fact that we don't even NEED to fight Calpernia.

 

I feel like in pretty much every game, siding with the Templars at all is viewed as the "evil" option. I don't recall a single time where the game didn't make me feel like an ass for siding with them. Except, no, I disagree with the mages at times, Templars during others. I'd like to make morally ambiguous decisions, but not when the decisions are heavily implied to have rights and wrongs in them. Either give me someone just as sympathetic as Fiona, or give me some **** I shouldn't care about.

DAO:You can play a mage or have Morrigan learn a couple heals spells. It's what I did, so no matter what mage I decided to bring along, they could at least spot heal.

 

DA2: While I agree that the game wants you to feel for the mages (and I do), it's not like there is not merit to the caution. There are frakkin blood mages everywhere. Yes, Orsino seemed sympathetic, but one character cannot make up for a boat load of crazy people.

 

DAI: I actually sided with the mages in the first 2 games, but my instinct was to go templar in this one. I think the templars were more sympathic in this game. Fiona, who I will admit I could not stand even before this game, was absolutely stupid and irresponsible. I am in the middle of a pro-mage playthrough right now, but my god.... what stupidity abounded from the mage "leader." How anyone can play a game where they sided with the mages in DAI and did not conscript them (unless they were a mage themselves), I don't think I can understand.

[Precursor Meta]

Templar's 4 life!

*Throws up gang sign resembling the letter "t"

[llandwynwyn]

Orsino resorted to that ritual because that crappy circle was his home, he knew all the mages that died already and more Templars were coming. He lost all hope, so his actions were understandable imo

 

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and, yeah, Bioware has a strong bias.

 

We never even, except for Carver in dlcs missions, had a full Templar in our party.

 

Ser Barris dlc companion when biower

[Drasanil]

DAO: Except that forces your character to actually be a mage. Also, the Keep says otherwise.

 

Recruited Templars, kept Wynne. Can even make it so in the keep. Try again.

[chr0n0mancer]

DA2: I wouldn't consider Anders anymore part of the Circle than I would consider Ohgren to be apart of Orzammar. Orsino also realized how fucked they all were, which was why he bit the bullet in the first place. You also can't blame Orsino for another person's actions.

But you can blame Orsino for turning into a harvester after an easy fight, and while surrounded with nothing but allies. Seriously, what was going through his head at that time...

[MisterJB]

Orsino resorted to that ritual because that crappy circle was his home, he knew all the mages that died already and more Templars were coming. He lost all hope, so his actions were understandable imo

Releasing what amounts to a biological weapon of mass destruction in the middle of a city state is understandable?

[Helmetto]

Recruited Templars, kept Wynne. Can even make it so in the keep. Try again.

Keep's broken for me, will try again when it's finally fixed itself.

 

But regardless, a lot more choices hinge on the Mages surviving than the Templars doing the right of annulment. 

[Aaleel]

I don't see how DA2 is pro mage.  A elf killed his wife for no reason, and woman tried to kill her newphew, pretty much every mage you ran across used blood magic or turned into an abomination.  

 

Orsino after saying they may have a chance with the champion and mopping up a group of templars just slits the wrist and attacks his allies at a time when he should thinking we may actually be able to do this.

 

Only person that made templars look bad was Meredith, and she was under the influence of red lyrium.  Mages just flipped out of for no apparent reason.  They buried in a string of codex entries that the veil was thin in Kirkwall, but they never said it in the game.

[Ryzaki]

I don't see how DA2 is pro mage.  A elf killed his wife for no reason, and woman tried to kill her newphew, pretty much every mage you ran across used blood magic or turned into an abomination.  

 

Orsino after saying they may have a chance with the champion and mopping up a group of templars just slits the wrist and attacks his allies at a time when he should thinking we may actually be able to do this.

 

Only person that made templars look bad was Meredith,

 

And Kerass. And Alrik.

[Helmetto]

Releasing what amounts to a biological weapon of mass destruction in the middle of a city state is understandable?

Releasing what amounts to a biological weapon of mass destruction in the middle of a city state that has done nothing but approved of the torture, slaughter and imprisonment of your people and is in the middle of purging what little numbers of you remain. Yeah.

[Ashagar]

To me it depends on the game, its easy to side with the mages in origins, while in DA2 its difficult as both sides honestly deserve righteous purging via seekers and in DAI you have mages willingly betraying the king to ally with tevinter, mass murder of the tranquil to make shard finding skulls and mages willing murder other mages who don't wish to join the rebellion. Then throw in the fact that pouring magic into a mark made by unknown magic sounds extremely dangerous and you got plenty of reason to find out what's wrong with the Templars and get their help instead.

 

 

[Aaleel]

And Kerass. And Alrik.

 

Can't believe I forgot about Keras.  

[Big I]

you have to choose between killing Fiona, who, by the way, is the mother of one of DAO's potential love interests, but also someone who we're far more acquainted with through the books... versus some random douche bag who we've never met.

 

I've only played through the game having done In Hushed Whispers, but from what I've seen and read Calpernia and Ser Barris are far more interesting than Samson and Fiona. To be honest, Fiona in Inquisiton made me not like her character; she's happy to start a war that kills a lot of people and she has no control over, and when things seem rough she sells them out to Tevinter.

[LobselVith8]

But you can blame Orsino for turning into a harvester after an easy fight, and while surrounded with nothing but allies. Seriously, what was going through his head at that time...

 

There was no logical reason for it, and we've had developers say that it was done because they needed another boss battle for the pro-mage playthrough. It's even brought up by the Inquisitor, who literally tells Varric that Orsino becoming a 'Super-Abomination' (as the developers called it) made absolutely no sense.

[MisterJB]

Releasing what amounts to a biological weapon of mass destruction in the middle of a city state that has done nothing but approved of the torture, slaughter and imprisonment of your people and is in the middle of purging what little numbers of you remain. Yeah.

So, he is motivated by a general hatred of everyone in Kirkwall. Be they a Templar who enjoys beating mages, a Templar who is just doing his job, a working mother whose husband just passed away and has a couple of children to feed or her children who barely know what a mage is.

 

And that justifies his actions? Because mages in Kirkwall has it hard. In Thedas, a crapsack world.

 

You know, if those are your standards, I'm not surprised you believe there is a bias against Templars.

 

[llandwynwyn]

Releasing what amounts to a biological weapon of mass destruction in the middle of a city state is understandable?

 

The gallows is a place only had Templars, Hawke's group and the few surviving mages he dissociated from due to the heavy trauma he'd just suffered. He didn't care about anything or anyone at that point. Orsino is the perfect example why mages should always be watched, but yes I understand, not agree, with why he turned to despair right then.

[Daerog]

Releasing what amounts to a biological weapon of mass destruction in the middle of a city state that has done nothing but approved of the torture, slaughter and imprisonment of your people and is in the middle of purging what little numbers of you remain. Yeah.

 

Considering that Orsino was interested and in contact with that psycho blood mage necromancer serial killer, I think Orsino was also approving of the deaths of innocents. Y'know... for Science!  Arcane Knowledge!

 

I mean, even a Circle mage was abducted and killed, he is interested in the blood magic experiments of an apostate... he couldn't connect the dots? Really? Did Orsino really care for the Circle mages or his power within the Circle? Maybe he was just ignorant, I don't know.