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[eyezonlyii]

The game to me was narratively pretty balanced between mages and templars, except for the fact that it took 15 power to even unlock the mission to go talk to the templars, but you get the invitation to talk to the mages at the same time you can recruit Vivienne and Sera.

Also the fact that you can't judge Fiona for siding with tevinter. But maybe they thought that since you got to judge Alexius that it balanced...but that doesn't work because you can judge both a warden and that one guy after adamant fortress.
*shrugs*
I used to be anti circle, but after a few games and some thought, I would at least like a place for mages to learn their craft. To me, a better solution would be to scrap the Templars and remake the circles as universities, with seekers as guards/instructors or to (as I read in one story) pair/group up a Templar/Seeker with a mage or few for life.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Tevinter magisters. Just gonna throw that one out there.

Kirkwall Templars. Just gonna throw that one out there.

[X Equestris]

There was a Dev comment that confirmed it on twitter or something before DAI came out.

It was back during the Raptr Q&A. Someone asked about hybrids, and one of the devs mentioned that Alistair was elf blooded in his response.

[thesuperdarkone2]

The game to me was narratively pretty balanced between mages and templars, except for the fact that it took 15 power to even unlock the mission to go talk to the templars, but you get the invitation to talk to the mages at the same time you can recruit Vivienne and Sera.

Also the fact that you can't judge Fiona for siding with tevinter. But maybe they thought that since you got to judge Alexius that it balanced...but that doesn't work because you can judge both a warden and that one guy after adamant fortress.
*shrugs*
I used to be anti circle, but after a few games and some thought, I would at least like a place for mages to learn their craft. To me, a better solution would be to scrap the Templars and remake the circles as universities, with seekers as guards/instructors or to (as I read in one story) pair/group up a Templar/Seeker with a mage or few for life.

That's what winds up happening if Leliana is divine with the mages either forming their own free circles or remaining with the Inquisition and becoming a shining example of the good mages can do.

[thesuperdarkone2]

It was back during the Raptr Q&A. Someone asked about hybrids, and one of the devs mentioned that Alistair was elf blooded in his response.

Don't forget Fiona's quotes regarding Alistair in Inquisition which clearly imply that Alistair is her son and she knows it.

[Steelcan]

Kirkwall Templars. Just gonna throw that one out there.

Kirkwall mages, just gonna throw them out

[hong]

The game to me was narratively pretty balanced between mages and templars, except for the fact that it took 15 power to even unlock the mission to go talk to the templars, but you get the invitation to talk to the mages at the same time you can recruit Vivienne and Sera.

You can talk to the mages for free, but you still need 15 power to do the mission.

[eyezonlyii]

Who were being lead by a woman who was out of her mind because of red lyrium. That's hardly comparable to the people who created the Black City, enslave elves, basically breed their children in an attempt to create the "perfect" person, and regularly commit blood sacrifices.

Those same people also gave us Dorian and Felix, so we're even?

[thesuperdarkone2]

Who were being lead by a woman who was out of her mind because of red lyrium. That's hardly comparable to the people who created the Black City, enslave elves, basically breed their children in an attempt to create the "perfect" person, and regularly commit blood sacrifices.

Meredith essentially lobotomized someone simply for passing a love note. Meredith was a mage-hating dictator way before red lyrium.

[eyezonlyii]

You can talk to the mages for free, but you still need 15 power to do the mission.

That's what I mean, toy can't even talk to the Templars without spending 15 power, so essentially you're going in blind.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Kirkwall mages, just gonna throw them out

At least they didn't start taking red lyrium and tried to kill Hawke if you sided with them as revealed in Inquisition. And before you say Orsino, the devs outright admit Orsino wasn't supposed to be a boss if you sided with the mages but they needed another boss so Orsino goes crazy due to bad writing.

[Steelcan]

At least they didn't start taking red lyrium and tried to kill Hawke if you sided with them as revealed in Inquisition. And before you say Orsino, the devs outright admit Orsino wasn't supposed to be a boss if you sided with the mages but they needed another boss so Orsino goes crazy due to bad writing.

he still lore wise did freak out so your argument is null, plus the working with a crazed blood mage who cut up women into tiny pieces, and all the other blood mages

 

blood mages everywhere

[Korva]

That's what I mean, toy can't even talk to the Templars without spending 15 power, so essentially you're going in blind.

 

That is where the "painfully uneven setup" complaint comes in, yes. To make it more fair, either the whole Redcliffe bit with Fiona, Alexius, Felix and Dorian should only be accessible once you're "locked into" the mage recruitment mission, or the templars too should have had a similar hook/basic exposition that is accessible before choosing a path. I can see why they did it this way, though, since the templar mission relies on the whole Envy/red lyrium issue being a big surprise for everyone including the templars themselves, while the mage mission pretty much puts all the cards on the table from the word go.

[Drasanil]

Meanwhile, the Lord Seeker allows himself to get possessed by a demon.  These are supposed to be the leaders of some of the more powerful organizations of Thedas at the moment.  Fiona was a leader in her own right prior to the events of the game, and you'd figure that the Lord Seeker would have been old/smart enough to reject a demon's offer.  I mean, I know he was a replacement, but he was still a senior Seeker.  Oh yeah, that's real smart. 

 

Genuinely asking, did you do Cassandra's mission? Because what you just said is categorically wrong.

 

Lucius never allowed himself to be possessed by a demon. He allowed envy to impersonate him, precisely because he wanted to destroy the Templar Order and the Seekers. Lucius knew exactly what he was doing and he was deliberately out to sabotage his own team; he wanted to see the world burn and build a new paradise from the ashes. He even cops to all of it in person when you finally track down the missing seekers. 

 

It may be insane and despicable, but given his motivation and goals, it actually was "real smart". 

[eyezonlyii]

That is where the "painfully uneven setup" complaint comes in, yes. To make it more fair, either the whole Redcliffe bit with Fiona, Alexius, Felix and Dorian should only be accessible once you're "locked into" the mage recruitment mission, or the templars too should have had a similar hook/basic exposition that is accessible before choosing a path. I can see why they did it this way, though, since the templar mission relies on the whole Envy/red lyrium issue being a big surprise for everyone including the templars themselves, while the mage mission pretty much puts all the cards on the table from the word go.

It easily could have been solved by having ser Barris come talk to the inquisitor at Haven or send a message or something, considering it was obvious that Lord Seeker's actions weren't sitting well with him.

[DKJaigen]

Oh boy we have devolved in the typical state of : yeah mage x did that so all mages are bad and then somebody inevitability says: but templar D did this so all templars are bad. both sides have colossal idiots and ass holes in them. The problem was the system and it was flawed to its core. so the current system needs to be shut down as it cost both mages , templars and mundanes their lives. anybody clinging to the status quo is a fool in my opinion. Sure Cass will do a fine job making the circles and the order a better place but i dont doubt that after a few centuries things are back where they started.

 

So for now pro mage as they are the only ones that apparently wish to change this clusterfuck of a situation

[KaiserShep]

At least they didn't start taking red lyrium and tried to kill Hawke if you sided with them as revealed in Inquisition. And before you say Orsino, the devs outright admit Orsino wasn't supposed to be a boss if you sided with the mages but they needed another boss so Orsino goes crazy due to bad writing.

And really in the end, Orsino doesn't matter. The mages in the Circle are not his willing followers; they're all essentially prisoners trapped there like he is.

[Raiil]

I feel like the game is less pro mage/Templar and more pro 'every religious faction in the game are blithering idiots '. Which they are, especially their leaders, and I include Justinia in that statement.

Personally, as someone who played a pro-freedom mage in all three games, I staunchly believe that both sides were abused by the Chantry.

[ThreeF]

It easily could have been solved by having ser Barris come talk to the inquisitor at Haven or send a message or something, considering it was obvious that Lord Seeker's actions weren't sitting well with him.

 

Yes, and even some sort of courier with a letter would be enough.

[Drasanil]

I feel like the game is less pro mage/Templar and more pro 'every religious faction in the game are blithering idiots '. Which they are, especially their leaders, and I include Justinia in that statement.

 

Untrue. Fiona was a secular leader and her blithering idiocy made religious types look like geniuses.

[Raiil]

Untrue. Fiona was a secular leader and her blithering idiocy made religious types look like geniuses.

I didn't say non-religious leaders were geniuses, only that the religious ones specifically, and as a whole, are morons. Fiona is a desperate idiot and as a whole, I sympathised with Samson's despair more.

[Helmetto]

It's not like he knows she's his mom. Or ever will, for that matter.

I actually have gotten into a debate with a person several times. This person seems to believe that Fiona doesn't care for Alistair at all.

 

He certainly won't if she's, you know, dead.